Delta parking 10 75s. 717 delivery "fluid"

[General Lee]

General....your still glossing over the fact that the 50 seaters (and I'll try to speak slowly for you).....WERE GOING AWAY ANYWAY!

Has nothing to do with the 717 and everything with you allowing MORE larger RJs for a small payraise.

RA is pretty slick.

PS - We are saving several million dollars with you taking those 717s too, thanks by the way. Keeps us still at just one fleet type...not 11 like you.

Red,

315 50 seaters still had hard leases through 2015. Now, half of those will be gone sooner. Had all of them stayed through 2015 on those leases, the 717s would have added too many seats to the market. Those are the facts, not speculation.

And a small pay raise? 20% over 3 years is small? DL 737 pilots meet your pay next year, and the widebody pilots have passed you, and will continue to do so (GK wants LCC status again probably). And again, you still don't seem to understand that 70 76 seaters will be replacing 215 50 seaters, and they will slide down to their current routes, making more money for DL. Your airline is dumping 17 AT routes for good, proving that some planes can't make money on certain routes. But different sized planes may be able to. Your one sized fleet plan sure wont make 17 communities happy or feel the LUV. Oh well, I know an airline that will get 717s and try it. Thanks!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[HowardBorden]

And Red, the Delta fleet plans aren't fluid, the 10 757s leaving are actually a smaller number than originally thought by next June (someone said 14 were going to go, and now it looks like 10).

Wow Noah Webster, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the textbook definition of fluid?

 

[General Lee]

The only negative about Delta is the lack of scope protection ALK might have in the future. If the ALK pilots cave Detla's scope will be circumnavigated via ALK's lack of scope.

Ummmmm, huh? Delta has scope that protects against larger planes at connection carriers. The only exception is the Frontier rule, which is owned by Republic. SKW or any other connection carrier can't have planes over 76 seats. The AK codeshare also got tighter restrictions in this latest contract. Are you talking about possible merger talk? I don't know about that, but there are hard numbers in the contract, and they have only gotten better for the Delta pilots in terms of total RJs and domestic flying ratios. Fewer RJs is a good thing, along with more mainline flying.



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[General Lee]

Wow Noah Webster, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the textbook definition of fluid?

Well, the original poster was corrected. The term "fluid" was never meant for plane numbers, rather training dates for pilots. So, the only fluid seems to be in your and Red's brains. That may be a definition of "Fluid", but the context was wrong.


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[texman]

Gen, 40 plus years ago SWA was a little Texas airline. Yea your right, no long haul for SWA

 

[General Lee]

Gen, 40 plus years ago SWA was a little Texas airline. Yea your right, no long haul for SWA

Years ago there were 10 legacies, and one small LCC. Now, thanks to consolidation, there are 3 mega legacies and one large sorta LCC, that combined have 88% of the total domestic traffic. That sorta LCC has now been replaced in that arena by Spirit and JetBlue. What has also changed in the last 40 years is an alliance system between INTL airlines. Alliances allow airlines to share airport gates, ramp crew, gate agents, etc, and keep flying for the business passenger seamless. Can SWA ever get slots in London or Paris, and would people fly 737 max planes all the way over there? Who knows? They might get slots at outlying city airports, but as soon as they start, Ryanair and Easyjet will come in and try the same, and that won't be good for you. So, I have a feeling GK is trying to get a handle on the AT merger and trying to get SWA's reservation systems or whatever else fixed to handle Mexico and Caribbean flights first. Hawaii could be next a few years from now, but even Allegiant has beat you there. Good luck.



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[jonjuan]

Somewhere, a few ex wives are counting the generals weekly alimony checks, glad he is away, tormenting a keyboard in a far away red roof inn.
Alas, they are happy he gets paid by the word on FI.

 

[B727FA]

We're being shorted at least NINE daily trips to Europe, every day, as AF/KLM are flying our Pax! THAT is a major reason why we are fat on ER copilots.

I'm honestly not trying to be dumb here, but I thought the 2012 deal put a strict limit on JV flying. Are those "9 flights" within the scope or outside (by some fanagling)? I truly am asking b/c I want to be informed, not to be snide and say "it's within scope so quit bitching."

You know we were led to believe if we signed the TA, hiring was coming very soon to staff the 717, and now it looks like at least half the 717 seats initially will be displaced mainline pilots and not guys off the street.

Again, without any snark, how much displacement was expected when the bid went so (surprisingly) senior? Or were people expecting it WOULDN'T go so SR?

Thanks for your input.

 

[General Lee]

Somewhere, a few ex wives are counting the generals weekly alimony checks, glad he is away, tormenting a keyboard in a far away red roof inn.
Alas, they are happy he gets paid by the word on FI.

No, your Mom now let's me stay in her basement, and your sister likes to join her in nightly love sessions. Your family is "freaky."


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[General Lee]

I'm honestly not trying to be dumb here, but I thought the 2012 deal put a strict limit on JV flying. Are those "9 flights" within the scope or outside (by some fanagling)? I truly am asking b/c I want to be informed, not to be snide and say "it's within scope so quit bitching."

Again, without any snark, how much displacement was expected when the bid went so (surprisingly) senior? Or were people expecting it WOULDN'T go so SR?

Thanks for your input.

There was tightening, but the AF/KL JV has had a lookback starting next May. DL has until next May to be compliant. Today they are down by about 9 A330 flights a day, but they have until next May to change that. If they don't, they have one more year to do so. Who created that? Good ole ALPA. But, the lookback date has always been next May, and that's when it is determined. If it's off then, then they will have to correct it.

And are you talking about the 717 bid? It did go senior, but that was for the first 16 717s. There are 72 more coming in the next couple years.



Bye Bye---General Lee