Delta parking 10 75s. 717 delivery "fluid"

[flyboyike]

What do WN's baggage fees or lack thereof have to do with DL's hiring?

 

[SWA Bubba]

Oh Howie......really? Trying to compare Comair and DL to you two? I can assure you, Comair did, and every DCI carrier does follow whatever DL tells them to do. You know that! Your planes say "bags fly free here" with an arrow, but not at your wholly owned subsidiary. A bit fishy? Uhhhh, yeah..... And you know it HOWIE.....
Good try genius! So, AirTran keeps all their bag profits? They do? Riiiiiiiiiight. It funds their operation? Who pulls the strings? You know the answer....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Really? This is the best argument you have? (Actually it's one of the only arguments you have). And it's a pretty lame one. Howard already pretty much demolished it above, and now you're doubling down on stupidity.

Again, Southwest and AirTran are two completely different airlines with different models, who just happened to be owned by the same owners. Get it through your thick head, General: they are NOT the same airline with different rules, no matter how much you shout it.

AirTran is a hub-and-spoke airline that makes money by charging bag fees, just like Delta. Take away that, and what happens? (I'll give you a hint: what would happen if Delta suddenly stopped charging bag fees?). As parts of AirTran become Southwest, ALL aspects change to Southwest. That includes the way the brand is marketed and displayed, and how the model is run financially and operationally. That is, WHEN they're Southwest, they'll BE Southwest in all aspects.

Until then, they're still a different airline, run the way they've been run, in a manner to make money.

I have to say that I feel pretty good about my company when it's biggest hater can only denigrate us by saying things that essentially boil down to: "Hey, another airline, that's completely different, but that you happen to own, has a different pricing model than yours! You're idiots!" The only way that I can think of that would make yours an even stupider "sour grapes" argument, is to add another of those idiotic PFT comments.

You're losing it, General. All you're doing is making yourself look bad with stupid comments like that.

Bubba

 

[SWA Bubba]

What do WN's baggage fees or lack thereof have to do with DL's hiring?

It's FI Official Rule #32: "If anyone says anything that can possibly be taken as negative towards Delta, than General Lee must deflect by saying something stupid about Southwest."

You obviously need to get an updated rulebook, Flyboy.

Bubba

 

[texman]

The only negative about Delta is the lack of scope protection ALK might have in the future. If the ALK pilots cave Detla's scope will be circumnavigated via ALK's lack of scope.

 

[redflyer65]

How about certain airlines advertising "No bag fees", yet their subsidiary still does?


Bye Bye---General Lee

Says the Village Idiot.

I thought we were talking about Delta's fleet plans being fluid.

Delta was forced to get rid of those small RJ's. DALPA bit on a deal for larger RJ's. Unbelievable. Complete failure.

 

[General Lee]

Really? This is the best argument you have? (Actually it's one of the only arguments you have). And it's a pretty lame one. Howard already pretty much demolished it above, and now you're doubling down on stupidity.

Again, Southwest and AirTran are two completely different airlines with different models, who just happened to be owned by the same owners. Get it through your thick head, General: they are NOT the same airline with different rules, no matter how much you shout it.

AirTran is a hub-and-spoke airline that makes money by charging bag fees, just like Delta. Take away that, and what happens? (I'll give you a hint: what would happen if Delta suddenly stopped charging bag fees?). As parts of AirTran become Southwest, ALL aspects change to Southwest. That includes the way the brand is marketed and displayed, and how the model is run financially and operationally. That is, WHEN they're Southwest, they'll BE Southwest in all aspects.

Until then, they're still a different airline, run the way they've been run, in a manner to make money.

I have to say that I feel pretty good about my company when it's biggest hater can only denigrate us by saying things that essentially boil down to: "Hey, another airline, that's completely different, but that you happen to own, has a different pricing model than yours! You're idiots!" The only way that I can think of that would make yours an even stupider "sour grapes" argument, is to add another of those idiotic PFT comments.

You're losing it, General. All you're doing is making yourself look bad with stupid comments like that.

Bubba

Thanks Bubba, you still can't explain who actually gets the bag fee money, and all of your planes say "free bags go here." What a complete joke, and we all know it. Your once great LCC is becoming a legacy, and that worries GK. It will be interesting to watch what happens next. Have a great one!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Says the Village Idiot.

I thought we were talking about Delta's fleet plans being fluid.

Delta was forced to get rid of those small RJ's. DALPA bit on a deal for larger RJ's. Unbelievable. Complete failure.

Ummmmm, DL got great replacements in the form of YOUR 717s. Thanks, and you will pay $140 million for the transaction. Those will replace 76 seaters, which will replace 50 seaters on their old routes. That is called FANTASTIC. 3 times as many 50 seaters will be leaving compared to incoming 76 seaters (215 vs 70), and mainline 717s will come in and take over. AWESOME.

And Red, the Delta fleet plans aren't fluid, the 10 757s leaving are actually a smaller number than originally thought by next June (someone said 14 were going to go, and now it looks like 10). But, 88 717s are still coming, and that's great for mainline. Have a FANTASTIC day.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[texman]

Thanks Bubba, you still can't explain who actually gets the bag fee money, and all of your planes say "free bags go here." What a complete joke, and we all know it. Your once great LCC is becoming a legacy, and that worries GK. It will be interesting to watch what happens next. Have a great one!


Bye Bye---General Lee

We will compete with you in long haul markets

 

[redflyer65]

Ummmmm, DL got great replacements in the form of YOUR 717s. Thanks, and you will pay $140 million for the transaction. Those will replace 76 seaters, which will replace 50 seaters on their old routes. That is called FANTASTIC. 3 times as many 50 seaters will be leaving compared to incoming 76 seaters (215 vs 70), and mainline 717s will come in and take over. AWESOME.

And Red, the Delta fleet plans aren't fluid, the 10 757s leaving are actually a smaller number than originally thought by next June (someone said 14 were going to go, and now it looks like 10). But, 88 717s are still coming, and that's great for mainline. Have a FANTASTIC day.



Bye Bye---General Lee

General....your still glossing over the fact that the 50 seaters (and I'll try to speak slowly for you).....WERE GOING AWAY ANYWAY!

Has nothing to do with the 717 and everything with you allowing MORE larger RJs for a small payraise.

RA is pretty slick.

PS - We are saving several million dollars with you taking those 717s too, thanks by the way. Keeps us still at just one fleet type...not 11 like you.

 

[General Lee]

We will compete with you in long haul markets

Riiiiight. Like Hawaii? Uhhhhhhh, maybe some year? Like Europe? Unlikely, primarily because then Ryainair and Easyjet would join in and pound you. How have LCCs across the Atlantic done? To Mexico? AT does that for you.

You may eventually do it, but the others have a big jump ahead of you, have the INTL slots and gates, have the know how (you still rely on AT to do anything INTL), and the JV partners to make it profitable. Good luck with that. Maybe Hawaii in 4-5 years.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General....your still glossing over the fact that the 50 seaters (and I'll try to speak slowly for you).....WERE GOING AWAY ANYWAY!

Has nothing to do with the 717 and everything with you allowing MORE larger RJs for a small payraise.

RA is pretty slick.

PS - We are saving several million dollars with you taking those 717s too, thanks by the way. Keeps us still at just one fleet type...not 11 like you.

Red,

315 50 seaters still had hard leases through 2015. Now, half of those will be gone sooner. Had all of them stayed through 2015 on those leases, the 717s would have added too many seats to the market. Those are the facts, not speculation.

And a small pay raise? 20% over 3 years is small? DL 737 pilots meet your pay next year, and the widebody pilots have passed you, and will continue to do so (GK wants LCC status again probably). And again, you still don't seem to understand that 70 76 seaters will be replacing 215 50 seaters, and they will slide down to their current routes, making more money for DL. Your airline is dumping 17 AT routes for good, proving that some planes can't make money on certain routes. But different sized planes may be able to. Your one sized fleet plan sure wont make 17 communities happy or feel the LUV. Oh well, I know an airline that will get 717s and try it. Thanks!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[HowardBorden]

And Red, the Delta fleet plans aren't fluid, the 10 757s leaving are actually a smaller number than originally thought by next June (someone said 14 were going to go, and now it looks like 10).

Wow Noah Webster, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the textbook definition of fluid?

 

[General Lee]

The only negative about Delta is the lack of scope protection ALK might have in the future. If the ALK pilots cave Detla's scope will be circumnavigated via ALK's lack of scope.

Ummmmm, huh? Delta has scope that protects against larger planes at connection carriers. The only exception is the Frontier rule, which is owned by Republic. SKW or any other connection carrier can't have planes over 76 seats. The AK codeshare also got tighter restrictions in this latest contract. Are you talking about possible merger talk? I don't know about that, but there are hard numbers in the contract, and they have only gotten better for the Delta pilots in terms of total RJs and domestic flying ratios. Fewer RJs is a good thing, along with more mainline flying.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Wow Noah Webster, please correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't that the textbook definition of fluid?

Well, the original poster was corrected. The term "fluid" was never meant for plane numbers, rather training dates for pilots. So, the only fluid seems to be in your and Red's brains. That may be a definition of "Fluid", but the context was wrong.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[texman]

Gen, 40 plus years ago SWA was a little Texas airline. Yea your right, no long haul for SWA