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You are so full of crap. You talk about warm WX bases. Which ones? ATL, ATL and DFW. Oops, sorry, you ran out of DAL with your tail between your legs. Where did you learn that, from your newfound french buddies at Air France. SLC ain't no warm wx base. Here's the latest wx : SLC 0153 32009KT 10SM FEW050 SCT080 01/M07 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP184 T00061067. 34F!!! That's really tropical and warm. DTW has 16 744s and the majority of 330 flying. You keep bringing up the 777s, but you only got 8 with some deliveries coming. Commuters will do whatever they need to do. I took one of your guys to LGA the other day. I mentioned that it would be nice to fly out of home soon. His eyes opened up wide and said "HELL YES!!!!" It goes both ways. DAL commuters will go north if it works for them and NWA guys will go south. BIG DEAL.......
As per our merger options, at least we have some. You "ain't got none". Inside that narrow little head of yours, you know it and it bugs the hell out of you. We are "it" for you guys. We have that Golden Share, which gives us options. If it don't happen with you guys, well so be it. We can dance with CAL. You can't. You will have the same problems with your "super seniority". You call our group unreasonable and imprerialistic, but we are not for sale. CAL and NWA have not had a major exodus of the top 2000 pilots. DOH will work just fine. In the end, it seems that the one going to the dance without a partner is gonna be you... Good luck.
You are so full of crap. You talk about warm WX bases. Which ones? ATL, ATL and DFW. Oops, sorry, you ran out of DAL with your tail between your legs. Where did you learn that, from your newfound french buddies at Air France. SLC ain't no warm wx base. Here's the latest wx : SLC 0153 32009KT 10SM FEW050 SCT080 01/M07 A3004 RMK AO2 SLP184 T00061067. 34F!!! That's really tropical and warm. DTW has 16 744s and the majority of 330 flying. You keep bringing up the 777s, but you only got 8 with some deliveries coming. Commuters will do whatever they need to do. I took one of your guys to LGA the other day. I mentioned that it would be nice to fly out of home soon. His eyes opened up wide and said "HELL YES!!!!" It goes both ways. DAL commuters will go north if it works for them and NWA guys will go south. BIG DEAL.......
As per our merger options, at least we have some. You "ain't got none". Inside that narrow little head of yours, you know it and it bugs the hell out of you. We are "it" for you guys. We have that Golden Share, which gives us options. If it don't happen with you guys, well so be it. We can dance with CAL. You can't. You will have the same problems with your "super seniority". You call our group unreasonable and imprerialistic, but we are not for sale. CAL and NWA have not had a major exodus of the top 2000 pilots. DOH will work just fine. In the end, it seems that the one going to the dance without a partner is gonna be you... Good luck.
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DC9-88's, DC9-90's
No you don't, but if you want something similar to our presence there, it will take a long, long time. Put it this way, every destination takes up 3 planes. With the 777s you got coming(8), you can maybe do 3(half-assedly). We have multiple destinations out of NRT. With 787s coming, we will add more flights to we don't fly to yet.
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What are you going to do when they switch the equiopment around in order to align operational efficiencies (i.e. large DC 9 base in ATL). Are bidding equipment or bases?
I am also guessing that the new 787's (what 68 of them) would suit your guys just fine also
uke:Dumber than a box of rocks. HilariousOriginally Posted by NuGuy
Heyas F4H,
Absolutely accurate.
ABSOLUTELY.....NOT.
What the "general" convienently forgets is that the one thing that NWA hubs DO lack lack is worthwhile LCC competition. DTW has a VERY small splash of SWA and Tranny with Spirit in full speed rewind.
That's great, and it really is your only good thing about your cool hubs and old domestic planes. You do hold fortress hubs, which is good. Your old planes, though, need work. Anderson may have loved them when Oil was cheaper, but not now. And you are starting to park the DC9s (30 -30s this year, right?). It won't get any better with high oil.
Anderson STILL loves 'em. One of your DALPA brothers posted on another thread that your management was more likely to keep more DC9's than ours.
MSP? A touch of Sun Country and Tranny. No SWA in sight. Do we have SWA at any of our hubs? A little in SLC, and a bit in LAX, but that is it too. Airtran is our competitior in ATL, and is trying to be yours in MSP. The thing is that Airtran can't get any more gates in ATL or MSP currently.
OK, got it. Airtran is coming to hub and spoke out of MSP just like they have poached your ATL domestic. Is that the theory you want to hang your "must wear" hat on?
MEM? Some Tranny flights, and that's about it.
IND? Hardly a "hub", but both ATA and Tranny couldn't leave fast enough. Your IND is an RJ hub mainly. How many mainline flights do you have out of there a day anyway?
Mainline flights to LAX,TPA,MCO,CUN,FLL,LAS,LGA
DAL? Ooooh, hmmm, lots of yield busting Tranny in their own house there, as well as JB in JFK and SWA at SLC.
Airtran does not compete with any of our INTL flights, and a lot of our domestic pax are connecting onto our numerous INTL flights. We have more INTL flights from ATL than you do in all of the United States. (any of your hubs, combined) We control 70% of the traffic at the busiest airport in the world. And yet you only derive 55% of your revenue from ATL vs 63% of NWA's from MSP. You control Detroit and MSP, places nobody wants to visit for fun. Wow. Southwest does compete with us at SLC, but often on one flight a day to certain cities. There are no extra gates in SLC for them to use either. Controlled growth.
DAL couldn't give their 100 seat flying away fast enough. On top of that, they just about GAVE those very airplanes away to a competitor that promptly used them to destroy DAL yields in their own "fortress hub". Nothing like handing a burglar the gun with which he shoots you.
We have 76 seaters doing 100 seat markets right now, filling the planes. You have old DC9s that are being parked this year (30 of them).Leaving 68 remaining. Sounds like your 100 seat market is going away too. How many people does a DC9-40 or -50 hold?110 and 125. We have 737-700s coming this year, which will regain some of that market, along with a new carpet smell. A BIG selling point on Pricline.com. Funny how those "old" a/c at NWA produced such a radically higher profit margin than DAL. How do those DC9s smell?So aircraft smell is now a customer factor? Gee, and I thought it was things like dispatch reliability and the fact that the DC9 overheads are FAR larger than DL DC9-88's. Yeah, passengers hate that. Like the 1960s? Who did we give our airplanes to?VALUEJET, you moron. I don't know what you mean?Yeah, no kidding Einstein. Again, we own 70% of the largest airport in the world. Again, you're an idiot. Ranked by revenue, ATL is #4 behind LAX,LAS,and ORD. But hey, I'm really not interested in how you define "largest". ATL makes MSP and DTW look like St Cloud. By what measure? Profitability of the dominate airline based there? Hmmmmm?
It makes the guy who made the call to re-manufacture the -9s at NWA for a mere $2 mil a copy versus $18-22 mil per RJ or 717 look pretty smart. Had DAL done the same thing, think about how many MORE DAL pilots there would be. In the end analysis, it's all about the guys ON YOUR PROPERTY. One more airplane, even the small ones, means 10-16 more guys, and 5-8 more upgrades, and one less airplane flown by people trying to drag your wages down.
We are looking at getting fairly new (anything is fairly new compared to your old DC9s) MD90s that are now readily available. 100 are out there (Saudia just put 28 up for sale)How do you think THEY smell?, and they are newer and can carry more people, farther, than your old embarrassing planes. The only thing embarrassing is DAL's operating margin and cash on hand as a % of expenses.Really, people who say it is "a real pilot's plane" are confused. And guess what? We are getting NEW planes. We are hiring 100 this month alone. We are doing this while you are ditching planes, and hiring a bit for attrition. You have old planes (DC9s and 742s) and they will be gone soon. You know better, yet you spew the same drivel over and over despite being educated about the superior NWA scope clause that prevents them from "going away".We are getting 3 777LRs this year, and 6 in the first three months of next year. Do you know how many pilots that will take? They are LRs, meaning LONG RANGE. That means 2 Captains and 2 FOs per flight.You mean like NWA has done for 50+ years? Australia just opened up open skies, and we have the rights to go to Singapore, New Zealand, and Samoa. Where is the 787 in the flight test process? It hasn't started yet? Bummer. Where is your position in the delivery line? Bummer.
As far as the cold North places, like OMA, FSD, FAR (which NWA has been serving since 1928) and the like, the DAL boyos' new hero, RA, said it best himself "they may be cold and dark, but they're all OURS". It isn't about the size of your airplane, but the size of the yield. MOT might be cold, and the walkarounds might suck, but the full flights of full fare paying passengers makes for a healthy bottom line, as do the FULL flights from NRT to other Asia cities, filled with Japanese passengers.
The great thing is that all of the LCCs out there KNOW where the highest fares are, and as they expand and have to put planes somewhere, they will. They may enter OMA (like SWA has) and take your connecting passengers away, so they don't go through MSP and go through MDW instead. They will look for opportunities, and you will be faced with the same thing the rest of us are. The LCCs have to put their new planes somewhere. And I think it is great that you are Tokyo's favorite airline.....riiight. Somehow I think JAL and ANA think otherwise. They do have a heck of a lot more flights to those same cities you go to from NRT, while you throw on one A330, etc. Don't lie to yourself, and the rest of us.Yeah, you're right. Yet YOUR management wants to merge with us DESPITE our lousy Asia operation
Don't let it get you down, some of these yahoos a mullish determination to have their own way, and there is no amount of factual information that can change their mindset.
What I don't understand is why a redneck would like a double breasted coat. Is it a confederate thang?
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Ever heard of LA? You haven't? You bonehead. We have a large base there with 757/767 Domestic, 767ER, and 738. Warm enough for you? Think and research before you post. Anyone of the NWA commuters from the West Coast would bid that. And what about FLA commuters? ATL would be their choice, and it is certainly warmer than Snow town and Mo-town. You are dumb.
And, you won't find a better fit without Delta. We had Air France helping us to finance it, which would have kept out some Hedge fund money, which usually is cashed in sooner than later. Why is that important? You don't want to always look over your shoulder at the hedge funds, and Air France would have allowed us to be an airline, not a profit center for that hedge fund, waiting to sell us in pieces. You will never understand anyway...... Will KLM help you out? Probably not, Air France owns them too.
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Wow, I guess Anderson would keep those DC9s forever......riiight. He can't sell them to anyone, so maybe you could keep flying them forever, and always ask for headings...
Airtran, and other LCCs, would love to take some of your profit pie in MSP. If they see an opportunity, they could take it, ATL is maxed out. As you shed your 30 DC9s this year, there might be room. Ah, you will luckily just put E175s in their place. Good?
You have 23 daily mainline flights out of IND, with only one going to LGA, and the Cancun flight is on a Saturday only (according to OAG). That is a huge base. Your RJ 50s out number your flights 2 to 1.
We do probably get 55% of our revenue from ATL, because we have other large hubs. You have 3, with MEM being marginal and IND insignificant. We have ATL and JFK, followed by CVG and SLC, and then LAX.
Did we give our DC9s to Valujet? They may have come from Delta originally, but not directly from us. You are the moron here. Yeah, we just sold them our DC9s. Do you know when we got rid of ours? If they got them from someone else, then that is not our fault. When did Valuejet start? In the mid 90s. When did we last fly them? In the 80s. Wow, you smart man........
And here is another funny one. ATL is the busiest airport in the world. If you want to rank it by revenue, then great dork. I was ranking it by passengers and flights, like most people. But, you are sooooo special. I would rank you in the top 1% for tools.
Do we need 787s now? No. You do. You are running out of anything new. We are getting planes that are bigger, pay more, fly the same range, and can carry more pax and cargo. Ever heard of the 777LR? You will. That is the plane passing your A330 from BOM to AMS, while we are going nonstop to JFK. Can't wait to see your 787 in Bangalore... When will the 787 fly again? Has it flown? I think you may get Space Shuttles too.......right.
Why does our management want your Asia ops? Well, it might be faster than creating one ourselves, but we certainly can do it on our own, and bypass NRT all together. I think they would like to have it now so they can offer worldwide coverage. You certainly can't do anything but Asia and 5 or 6 total European cities. Oh yeah, you have Mumbai too. You are the largest "regional" in the world. Asia is your specialty, and you are Tokyo's "darling" airline....riiight. Wow, get over yourself and your old planes and cold bases. That is what you have, no way around it. Bummer.
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This really is funny. Where are your 787s again? And, can your A330s actually fly anywhere from the West Coast past NRT? They can't. They can barely make SFO to NRT nonstop. You don't have anymore 744s coming, and you parked all but one of your pax 742s, with the extra one doing MAC charters. You don't have anything to add until you do get the 787s, and Boeing hasn't even flown one yet, and they keep pushing it back. We are getting 2 new 777LRs this month (going to BOM, and the 777ERs currently doing BOM will do ATL-PVG (Shanghai) nonstop), one in DEC, and 5 more in early 09. (6 within 3 months). We also are considering flying 767-400s from HNL to hit new cities in the Pacific. We also have options on the 737-800s that can be converted to 777s. Somehow, I think you are wrong, again. I can't wait to see that first 787 fly, and then go through another year of testing and delays......
And, it was great you flew one of our 5 pilots who live in either MSP or DTW to LGA. I would say 99.9% of our pilots would NOT want to move to MSP or especially DTW. Yuck. Enjoy those you hoser.
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General,
What are you going to do when they switch the equiopment around in order to align operational efficiencies (i.e. large DC 9 base in ATL). Are bidding equipment or bases?
I am also guessing that the new 787's (what 68 of them) would suit your guys just fine also
We have room at ATL. Some RJs are now at our usual mainline terminals, so DC9s could blend in. I think they will also move a 744 to ATL too for the NRT flight, so maybe that could be a new base
. As far as the 787s go, I haven't seen one yet. Have you? Has anyone? Also, you only have 18 firm orders on the 787s, not 68. We have options on our 738s that can be converted to 777s, but that isn't a sure thing until we exercise them. You haven't yet. Sounds like you need to brush up on the FACTS too while you're at it.Will any of this happen anyway? Probably not. That Republic Greenbook really screwed up. Wow. Oh well.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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What I don't understand is why a redneck would like a double breasted coat. Is it a confederate thang?
Yeah, good question. Just like you Canuk Hosers wearing your large London Fog jackets in April and May still. I ditch my U-Boat Commander jacket anytime I fly South of the Equator (a Delta rule), which is at least once a month, to Rio baby! You guys fly South too, only on Saturdays from MSP to Liberia, Costa Rica. Probably a turn with an augmented crew.
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I see the problem now after looking at your profile - you are a FLAP at DAL with a short guy complex. I thought they only hired Military pilots? How'd you slip through? :uzi: I bet you don't even have a call sign. How bout' we christen you "Smegma"?
I see the solution now for SLI - just give DOH based on commissioning date, with points added for Navy (Marines would get the same points if they can do the math) and AOCS, and adjusted for AF and/or academy :bomb:
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Apologies if this has been covered elsewhere, but several sources have reported the DC-9's will remain in the fleet longer if DAL/NWA merge. The rationale being that instead of having 15 RJ flights to a half dozen hub cities service will be aligned through just one, or two, hub cities. This maintains the level of service with lower seat mile costs and requires more aircraft capacity.
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Yup, no merger announced yet, but the aircraft/service/fleet plan has already been announced. GMAB.
basically, anything said before the official merging of the companies can and will change. Don't believe any of it, unless the all knowing General Lee.
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Yup, no merger announced yet, but the aircraft/service/fleet plan has already been announced. GMAB.
basically, anything said before the official merging of the companies can and will change. Don't believe any of it, unless the all knowing General Lee says it.
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Exactly! It's so fun to actually fly an aircraft instead of feeling like a systems manager. Very rewarding(as well as tiresome) but it gets you back to the skills that were lost while looking at glass.
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Anything more than tidbits and rumors? Can anyone elaborate on what has been "announced?"
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Shhhh!
General,
Don't tell anyone, but for years I wore the London Fog over a black sweater -- left the double-breasted jacket in Operations. Got away with it too, Hee Hee!
General,
Don't tell anyone, but for years I wore the London Fog over a black sweater -- left the double-breasted jacket in Operations. Got away with it too, Hee Hee!
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Wow, I guess Anderson would keep those DC9s forever......riiight. He can't sell them to anyone, so maybe you could keep flying them forever, and always ask for headings...
Typical BS from Generally. It's really hard to believe that someone with such an incredible short-dick syndrome could actually get hired at a major, but hey, congrats on being the embarrassment to your pilot group that you are. Please elaborate on how accepting radar vectors affects profitability. Looking forward to your full report on that.
Airtran, and other LCCs, would love to take some of your profit pie in MSP. If they see an opportunity, they could take it, ATL is maxed out. As you shed your 30 DC9s this year, there might be room. Ah, you will luckily just put E175s in their place. Good?
Yeah, they would love to. I'd love to be Hugh Hefner too. Too bad they have been handing you your sizeable ass for years now in ATL.
You have 23 daily mainline flights out of IND, with only one going to LGA, and the Cancun flight is on a Saturday only (according to OAG). That is a huge base. Your RJ 50s out number your flights 2 to 1.
You asked what mainline flights we had out of IND. I answered you. Read the post. Try to keep up Poindexter. The only thing shorter than your attention span is your.....
We do probably get 55% of our revenue from ATL, because we have other large hubs. You have 3, with MEM being marginal and IND insignificant. We have ATL and JFK, followed by CVG and SLC, and then LAX.
And a total of zero are infested with LCC competition unlike ATL & JFK
Did we give our DC9s to Valujet? They may have come from Delta originally, but not directly from us. You are the moron here. Yeah, we just sold them our DC9s. Do you know when we got rid of ours? If they got them from someone else, then that is not our fault. When did Valuejet start? In the mid 90s. When did we last fly them? In the 80s. Wow, you smart man........
Can you get any dumber on a public forum? Delta Airlines retired the DC-9 in 1992. Delta Air Lines sold several of their -9's to ValueJet Airlines. You could look it up if you weren't so busy making a fool of yourself here playing the part of the clueless, arrogant, deeply insecure playground bully.
And here is another funny one. ATL is the busiest airport in the world. If you want to rank it by revenue, then great dork. I was ranking it by passengers and flights, like most people. But, you are sooooo special. I would rank you in the top 1% for tools.
Yeah, make sure you don't rank it by measurements that actually mean things to investors, creditors, and the business world. Measure it by number of feet walking through. Anything to distract from DAL's sub-prime financials.
Do we need 787s now? No. You do. You are running out of anything new. We are getting planes that are bigger, pay more, fly the same range, and can carry more pax and cargo. Ever heard of the 777LR? You will. That is the plane passing your A330 from BOM to AMS, while we are going nonstop to JFK. Can't wait to see your 787 in Bangalore... When will the 787 fly again? Has it flown? I think you may get Space Shuttles too.......right.
For, like the 10th time, it is glaringly obvious that you just can't understand the mission of the 787 vs the 777LR. I'm sorry you have such a limited cerebral ability in that regard. The 787 will make money on thinner routes that the 777LR would not. Next time you're in RIO, if you EVER leave your room, find a local market and buy an apple and an orange. Take them back to your room and stare at them until this makes sense to you.
Why does our management want your Asia ops?
Because it makes more money than your Atlantic ops. Well, it might be faster than creating one ourselves, but we certainly can do it on our own, and bypass NRT all together. I think they would like to have it now so they can offer worldwide coverage. You certainly can't do anything but Asia and 5 or 6 total European cities.Yeah, how will we ever get by not being able to do "anything but" operate in the highest profit region of the airline world. Oh yeah, you have Mumbai too. You are the largest "regional" in the world. Asia is your specialty, and you are Tokyo's "darling" airline....riiight. Ask an Asian what "Delta" is and tell me what they say.Wow, get over yourself and your old planes and cold bases. That is what you have, no way around it. Bummer.
What we "have" is markedly better financials by every metric out there. No way around it. But don't worry. I'm actually sympathetic to the fact that you couldn't debate something factually or on point if your life depended on it.
I'll check back for you reply about aircraft size,avionics, radar vectors,number of Starbucks in various terminals, etc.
Ouch!
Ouch!
Bye Bye--General Lee
Wow, you are getting mad and nasty. It is tough for you to debate me, and you resort to "short dong" stuff. It really shows how you have no answers to my reply. Talk about a bully. Wow, you know about when we retired our DC9s. Great. We got rid of them because they were old and nasty. You still have some, which makes you AWESOME. Thanks, for the 10th time, telling me the difference between the 787 and 777LR missions. We like the 777LR missions, but you BRAG about your 787s that are coming sometime this century. Great. Any more expansion for you in the near term? Nope. You are still waiting for your 787s to fly the first flight. Good luck with that sizzle chest. Thinner routes for the 787s, eh? Of course, that makes sense now. Bangalore, India is just waiting for you. Enjoy the toilet there.
And, you love to spout off about your better financials. No doubt about it, you probably have better financials at the moment. We, on the otherhand, have a better airline, better planes, better bases, trust among our own pilot group (not like your greenbook/redbook krap), better pay, better work rules, and a better BOSS. You lose sucka. Rio rules too, have fun in Rochester.
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Typical BS from Generally. It's really hard to believe that someone with such an incredible short-dick syndrome could actually get hired at a major, but hey, congrats on being the embarrassment to your pilot group that you are. Please elaborate on how accepting radar vectors affects profitability. Looking forward to your full report on that.
Airtran, and other LCCs, would love to take some of your profit pie in MSP. If they see an opportunity, they could take it, ATL is maxed out. As you shed your 30 DC9s this year, there might be room. Ah, you will luckily just put E175s in their place. Good?
Yeah, they would love to. I'd love to be Hugh Hefner too. Too bad they have been handing you your sizeable ass for years now in ATL.
You have 23 daily mainline flights out of IND, with only one going to LGA, and the Cancun flight is on a Saturday only (according to OAG). That is a huge base. Your RJ 50s out number your flights 2 to 1.
You asked what mainline flights we had out of IND. I answered you. Read the post. Try to keep up Poindexter. The only thing shorter than your attention span is your.....
We do probably get 55% of our revenue from ATL, because we have other large hubs. You have 3, with MEM being marginal and IND insignificant. We have ATL and JFK, followed by CVG and SLC, and then LAX.
And a total of zero are infested with LCC competition unlike ATL & JFK
Did we give our DC9s to Valujet? They may have come from Delta originally, but not directly from us. You are the moron here. Yeah, we just sold them our DC9s. Do you know when we got rid of ours? If they got them from someone else, then that is not our fault. When did Valuejet start? In the mid 90s. When did we last fly them? In the 80s. Wow, you smart man........
Can you get any dumber on a public forum? Delta Airlines retired the DC-9 in 1992. Delta Air Lines sold several of their -9's to ValueJet Airlines. You could look it up if you weren't so busy making a fool of yourself here playing the part of the clueless, arrogant, deeply insecure playground bully.
And here is another funny one. ATL is the busiest airport in the world. If you want to rank it by revenue, then great dork. I was ranking it by passengers and flights, like most people. But, you are sooooo special. I would rank you in the top 1% for tools.
Yeah, make sure you don't rank it by measurements that actually mean things to investors, creditors, and the business world. Measure it by number of feet walking through. Anything to distract from DAL's sub-prime financials.
Do we need 787s now? No. You do. You are running out of anything new. We are getting planes that are bigger, pay more, fly the same range, and can carry more pax and cargo. Ever heard of the 777LR? You will. That is the plane passing your A330 from BOM to AMS, while we are going nonstop to JFK. Can't wait to see your 787 in Bangalore... When will the 787 fly again? Has it flown? I think you may get Space Shuttles too.......right.
For, like the 10th time, it is glaringly obvious that you just can't understand the mission of the 787 vs the 777LR. I'm sorry you have such a limited cerebral ability in that regard. The 787 will make money on thinner routes that the 777LR would not. Next time you're in RIO, if you EVER leave your room, find a local market and buy an apple and an orange. Take them back to your room and stare at them until this makes sense to you.
Why does our management want your Asia ops?
Because it makes more money than your Atlantic ops. Well, it might be faster than creating one ourselves, but we certainly can do it on our own, and bypass NRT all together. I think they would like to have it now so they can offer worldwide coverage. You certainly can't do anything but Asia and 5 or 6 total European cities.Yeah, how will we ever get by not being able to do "anything but" operate in the highest profit region of the airline world. Oh yeah, you have Mumbai too. You are the largest "regional" in the world. Asia is your specialty, and you are Tokyo's "darling" airline....riiight. Ask an Asian what "Delta" is and tell me what they say.Wow, get over yourself and your old planes and cold bases. That is what you have, no way around it. Bummer.
What we "have" is markedly better financials by every metric out there. No way around it. But don't worry. I'm actually sympathetic to the fact that you couldn't debate something factually or on point if your life depended on it.
I'll check back for you reply about aircraft size,avionics, radar vectors,number of Starbucks in various terminals, etc.
Ouch!
Ouch!
Bye Bye--General Lee
Wow, you are getting mad and nasty. It is tough for you to debate me, and you resort to "short dong" stuff. It really shows how you have no answers to my reply. Talk about a bully. Wow, you know about when we retired our DC9s. Great. We got rid of them because they were old and nasty. You still have some, which makes you AWESOME. Thanks, for the 10th time, telling me the difference between the 787 and 777LR missions. We like the 777LR missions, but you BRAG about your 787s that are coming sometime this century. Great. Any more expansion for you in the near term? Nope. You are still waiting for your 787s to fly the first flight. Good luck with that sizzle chest. Thinner routes for the 787s, eh? Of course, that makes sense now. Bangalore, India is just waiting for you. Enjoy the toilet there.
And, you love to spout off about your better financials. No doubt about it, you probably have better financials at the moment. We, on the otherhand, have a better airline, better planes, better bases, trust among our own pilot group (not like your greenbook/redbook krap), better pay, better work rules, and a better BOSS. You lose sucka. Rio rules too, have fun in Rochester.
Bye Bye--General Lee
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SLI and the General aside, that's belly laugh funny.:laugh:
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Sounds great. You can be "chode." Perfect for you cheese head hosers. And no, I am not short. I keep telling everyone, I look like "Learch"---I am 6'4" and 125 lbs.
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