Delta needs to pay pilots more

[waveflyer]

While I do hope other airlines will always improve on their respective contracts as that helps everyone I do have to say this.

I have had more fun on overnights in innocuous places at Southwest than I ever had at any of the other three airlines I have worked for, two of those had overnights in "exotic" international destinations that the general has such a hard-on for. It is not unusual to head down to the bar and find ten or more crewmembers at a table having a raucous time. Don't ever seem to see other airlines crews with that sense of community. We may be in Lubbock but we are with "family" and having a great time. A wise old Pan Am captain once told me that if the pay was the same fleet wide the 727 would have been the senior aircraft. So enjoy your 8,9,10hour or whatever legs to wherever cause the van ride looks the same whether your in Milan or Midland. Maybe we will fly over oceans maybe not but right now I just want my last paycheck to say Southwest Airlines and I could give a rats a$$ what kind of airplane I fly

Bye Bye...Dairy Air

+1. And I don't mean to diminish your post by giving it an endorsement from an anonymous internet troll with >7000 posts- but that was better than anything I've ever written-

But it'll fall on deaf ears- at delta you're not a real pilot until your flying "heavy iron" - they don't care about their domestic pilots there which is why they're so willing to outsource it.

General- the life you brag about does not appeal to me

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[olympus593]

But the 737 Sux! Have fun flying that 30 years.

 

[Mercyful Fate]

The average SWA pilot flies 10 times more legs per year, and ends up in a dump like LBB and MAF. The DL pilots are in the middle of a 3 year contract that gave a 20% raise, and the company is making quarterly profits in the billions. So, there is a great possibility that DL narrow body pilots will pass the SWA pilots soon. I'm pretty sure most of the Widebody pilots already make more per hour, and with huge retirements coming at DL and not SWA, double pay overtime flying (greenslips) will be raining down.

Throw in the fact that SWA's boss seems to want to get back to the LCC roots too, it may be tough for them to keep making huge gains. I hope they do, but it doesn't sound like the boss will be willing.

First year pay is also higher at DL, and you don't have to pay for a type rating if you were lacking one prior to applying. Next, DL pays more depending on the size plane you fly. SWA will have only 737s eventually, which means no higher pay scales, and complete boredom after about 5 years. Could you fly multiple leg days for 30 years in ONE plane forever? That would be gawd awful. They are now excited to see San Juan! (If they can find it, the AT guys who got demoted to come over (why again???) can show the Cornies...)

I'll take fewer legs per day, the ability to fly to interesting places, and variety in aircraft and trips over a few extra thousands dollars. Hey, I'll make that up with one greenslip to Rio anyway. It's fantastic!



Bye Bye---General Lee

Your desk can fly? Interesting...

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

That could happen, but doubtful-
Do hope you guys leapfrog us though and sit smugly on FI bitching about how we lower the bar- that's where I'd like the industry contracts- not you guys struggling to make 73 pay flying a wide body

Sure, wave...

It would be nice.

 

[freightdogfred]

If we don't have wide bodies in 5 years GL, I'll stop posting forever

I'm holding you to this. Jan-19-2014 is the date. I'll remember cause it's the year the Broncos beat the Seahawks in the superbowl.

 

[jonjuan]

Posted from another forum. Yikes, don't 4 year SWA FOs make 148K? Private Lee, this can't be true, can it???? Please tell us you aren't exaggerating about your pay again?

nwaf16dude
Gets Weekends Off

Joined APC: Jan 2008
Position: ATL 7ERB
Posts: 1,590

14 year Delta FO 757/767, very junior in category (90ish %). No premium, not much international. Reserve about half of the year, flew very little, worked my @ss off the rest of the year. Around 650 hours flown, no idea of how many days worked. Work almost every weekend. Made about 148k in flight pay. Add in retirement contributions, profit sharing and all the other stuff and I get a shade under 190k total compensation.

Private Lee: I can do turns to San Juan or St Thomas from ATL and be home every night. I actually like "going places" far away and eating local foods and hearing different languages.

But apparently someone with 14 years of longevity can't.

 

[ROSWELL41]

Hey, but when you're 45-50 you can start making up for lost time at home!

 

[imacdog]

Funny how the most vocal critics of the contract I work under is the SWA pilots. Getting ready to watch Gary pull the plug on the good times happyland contract over there makes them lash out on Delta threads.

Thanks for the criticism guys. Let us know how great your life is when Gary punches SWAPA in the ovaries and steals your purse.

Uh huh, and guess who the most vocal critic of SWA on here is.....

 

[General Lee]

Those same "hiring practices" kept your fat ass out. Having to spend a four day with a dork like you is enough reason to consider anyone but Delto.

Ahahahaha! No, I wanted to go to a real airline that enabled me to see the World. One with Variety, which is the spice of life. Enjoy your five legs to Omaha! What's the temp there anyway? I have a trip coming up to Buenos Aires, where it's Summer. I bet you didn't know that. Bellow the Equator it's Summer. You're welcome.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Scoot 11]

So glad the same **************************************** have turned yet another thread in SW vs DL thread.
Then, watching the biggest *********************************** write:

That could happen, but doubtful-
Do hope you guys leapfrog us though and sit smugly on FI bitching about how we lower the bar-

Posts: 7,836
Civ/Mil: civilian
A/C Flown: 1900, RJ, 737
Ratings: atp
Total Time: 12000

How much time to you spend whacking off here telling everyone how great of a hypocrite you truly are?
You are an internet troll, you pay for training sellout!

 

[dicko]

Posted from another forum. Yikes, don't 4 year SWA FOs make 148K? Private Lee, this can't be true, can it???? Please tell us you aren't exaggerating about your pay again?




But apparently someone with 14 years of longevity can't.

I did find it amusing that the DAL poster thought 650 hours was an example of not flying very much.

Dicko (340 hours

 

[General Lee]

Posted from another forum. Yikes, don't 4 year SWA FOs make 148K? Private Lee, this can't be true, can it???? Please tell us you aren't exaggerating about your pay again?




But apparently someone with 14 years of longevity can't.

You must have missed "Alan Shore" on that other forum that claimed he was a 12 year 7ER FO at DL that made more than $220K all in? Yeah you did. And, he got to do it flying to nice places. You lose again Jonny...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I did find it amusing that the DAL poster thought 650 hours was an example of not flying very much.

Dicko (340 hours

Let's hope you guys get to keep those rules and pay in the upcoming contract , mmm-Kay..... Fingers crossed!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ROSWELL41]

You must have missed "Alan Shore" on that other forum that claimed he was a 12 year 7ER FO at DL that made more than $220K all in? Yeah you did. And, he got to do it flying to nice places. You lose again Jonny...


Bye Bye---General Lee

Must have to work a lot to do that. Didn't realize premium pay was that plentiful at DL.

 

[General Lee]

Must have to work a lot to do that. Didn't realize premium pay was that plentiful at DL.

It is now with FAR 117. It is tougher to give last minute trips to reserves because they don't know if they got 10 hours rest. They would rather give out "white slips" (voluntary pick up, normal pay) or "green slips" (double pay) because you are volunteering and sort of acknowledging you are rested. Also, 75/767 "ER" used to have 24 hour callout for INTL reserve, and now it's 12 hours due to 117. But, short call is still limited to 6 per month via the contract. The contract wins. They are now short on the 7ER, and 50 new spots wil be on next bid.

I have seen guys on the 320 get 5 or 6 greenslips per month because the 320/319 has been filling in for 717 trips due to a training backlog. Guys who know how to bid and leave space open gather plenty of greenslips.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ROSWELL41]

It is now with FAR 117. It is tougher to give last minute trips to reserves because they don't know if they got 10 hours rest. They would rather give out "white slips" (voluntary pick up, normal pay) or "green slips" (double pay) because you are volunteering and sort of acknowledging you are rested. Also, 75/767 "ER" used to have 24 hour callout for INTL reserve, and now it's 12 hours due to 117. But, short call is still limited to 6 per month via the contract. The contract wins. They are now short on the 7ER, and 50 new spots wil be on next bid.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Good for you guys. Good to see arguing over who has the better deal for once. Hopefully we'll (NK) be able to keep pushing the bar higher thanks to your new contract. Ours will be opening soon.

 

[General Lee]

Good for you guys. Good to see arguing over who has the better deal for once. Hopefully we'll (NK) be able to keep pushing the bar higher thanks to your new contract. Ours will be opening soon.

I hope you guys keep the bar climbing. It's great you did get higher pay and kept the 4 days off min between trips.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Uh huh, and guess who the most vocal critic of SWA on here is.....

Not me......i never run to SWA threads and mud the water with the usual superiority complex usually passed our way.

 

[jonjuan]

You must have missed "Alan Shore" on that other forum that claimed he was a 12 year 7ER FO at DL that made more than $220K all in? Yeah you did. And, he got to do it flying to nice places. You lose again Jonny...


Bye Bye---General Lee

And he is NYC based-yuck. There must be a reason why new hires can hold 7ER NYC.
"14 years and worked MOST weekends!"
Keep it up Lee. Your schtick is getting limp.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

And he is NYC based-yuck. There must be a reason why new hires can hold 7ER NYC.
"14 years and worked MOST weekends!"
Keep it up Lee. Your schtick is getting limp.

Old news....that was 6 years ago.

Try something new or get some facts that are current to make your point.

 

[xray678]

on the downside, it occurs to me if guys keep picking up white/green slips, the airline could reduce useless reserves and trim staffing at the airline.

 

[redflyer65]

Well, the DL pilot's Duty Period Average(DPA) is 5:15, for normal duty periods. DH only duty periods don't count. The trip rig is 1 for 3.5,

Bye Bye---General Lee

Ahh, there's the problem.

And General, thank you for answering the question.

SW min is 6.5 per day.

So at SW, a 3 day pays minimum 19.5, 4 day is 26 (min).
The differences between SW paying 19 minimum for a 3 day and DL paying 21 for a 4 day really makes a difference. And that's what the original post was talking about.

Hopefully in the next contract you guys can get it raised somewhat, along with the increasing payrates you have coming down the road.

 

[FIREMAN]

Ahh, there's the problem.

And General, thank you for answering the question.

SW min is 6.5 per day.

So at SW, a 3 day pays minimum 19.5, 4 day is 26 (min).
The differences between SW paying 19 minimum for a 3 day and DL paying 21 for a 4 day really makes a difference. And that's what the original post was talking about.

Hopefully in the next contract you guys can get it raised somewhat, along with the increasing payrates you have coming down the road.

Are you using TFP or hours?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

What Red-Liar continually forgets is that DL and SWA are different types of carriers. He brings up "Rig", but forgets that I can fly an 11 hour leg as an INTL pilot, he can't as a domestic only pilot. Variety allows me to choose if I want to do long haul, or do a turn to San Juan from ATL. He is oblivious and totally jealous at the same time. Variety Red, it's the spice of life. I was in Rome, Italy twice last month for wonderful 48 hour layovers, and this month I go to Buenos Aires, Stuttgart, and a couple domestic layovers. You can't beat that variety. But you are right Red , numbers don't lie, and a 737 type rating costs at least $7K when you have to pay for it yourself. Isn't that about right, Red?


Bye Bye---General Lee

The only reason you are spouting your Doosh Hole here is because your mom brings you brisket and Code Red Mt. Dew during "your flights". The only foreign destinations you will ever see are via Google Earth, on your computer. Now it's apparent your meds are out of balance again, call the doc and calm down, before you get another time out.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Me too-
He's just pissed SWA pilots like their life

I'm sure every cat hanging out in the regionals would take either carrier but he continues to cut and paste

No he is pissed because, he will never see the cockpit of a real airliner, he/it is just a pimple encrusted booger eater who will never finish high school, you see he was/is on a non grad track, he will be "living the dream" from his moms basement "crash pad".

 

[redflyer65]

Are you using TFP or hours?

I did the math earlier for each respective systems.

A senior CA at both on Min pay 4 day and the SW guy made about $500 more for the trip because the Rig differences.

 

[waveflyer]

So glad the same **************************************** have tu training sellout!

You mad I'm better than you bc I didn't fly in the military?

Back on the meds scooter!

 

[waveflyer]

Hold me to it freight

Speaking of, Omaha's good enough for Peyton but not you Lee?
Dbag always chasing the wide body carrot-

 

[mayoplane]

My SWA 3 day.

Report at 1500
Oak lax
Lax oak
Oak pdx 20 hrs in pdx

Pdx sjc
Sjc sna 19 hrs in sna

Sna smf
Smf las
Las oak

Done by 2000

Actual block was less than 10 hrs.
Credit was 19.5



I dont know why people think we fly 8 legs/day every day.
I dont get to overnight in Paris, but im very happy.

 

[General Lee]

My SWA 3 day.

Report at 1500
Oak lax
Lax oak
Oak pdx 20 hrs in pdx

Pdx sjc
Sjc sna 19 hrs in sna

Sna smf
Smf las
Las oak

Done by 2000

Actual block was less than 10 hrs.
Credit was 19.5



I dont know why people think we fly 8 legs/day every day.
I dont get to overnight in Paris, but im very happy.

Riiiiiight. That certainly is an anomaly. Normally, according to my friends there, you would add 2 to 3 extra legs per day. That's how you get your productive trips. Otherwise, you'd have to have 17,000 pilots.

How about an average trip?


Bye Bye---General Lee