Delta needs to pay pilots more

[dicko]

Posted from another forum. Yikes, don't 4 year SWA FOs make 148K? Private Lee, this can't be true, can it???? Please tell us you aren't exaggerating about your pay again?




But apparently someone with 14 years of longevity can't.

I did find it amusing that the DAL poster thought 650 hours was an example of not flying very much.

Dicko (340 hours

 

[General Lee]

Posted from another forum. Yikes, don't 4 year SWA FOs make 148K? Private Lee, this can't be true, can it???? Please tell us you aren't exaggerating about your pay again?




But apparently someone with 14 years of longevity can't.

You must have missed "Alan Shore" on that other forum that claimed he was a 12 year 7ER FO at DL that made more than $220K all in? Yeah you did. And, he got to do it flying to nice places. You lose again Jonny...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I did find it amusing that the DAL poster thought 650 hours was an example of not flying very much.

Dicko (340 hours

Let's hope you guys get to keep those rules and pay in the upcoming contract , mmm-Kay..... Fingers crossed!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ROSWELL41]

You must have missed "Alan Shore" on that other forum that claimed he was a 12 year 7ER FO at DL that made more than $220K all in? Yeah you did. And, he got to do it flying to nice places. You lose again Jonny...


Bye Bye---General Lee

Must have to work a lot to do that. Didn't realize premium pay was that plentiful at DL.

 

[General Lee]

Must have to work a lot to do that. Didn't realize premium pay was that plentiful at DL.

It is now with FAR 117. It is tougher to give last minute trips to reserves because they don't know if they got 10 hours rest. They would rather give out "white slips" (voluntary pick up, normal pay) or "green slips" (double pay) because you are volunteering and sort of acknowledging you are rested. Also, 75/767 "ER" used to have 24 hour callout for INTL reserve, and now it's 12 hours due to 117. But, short call is still limited to 6 per month via the contract. The contract wins. They are now short on the 7ER, and 50 new spots wil be on next bid.

I have seen guys on the 320 get 5 or 6 greenslips per month because the 320/319 has been filling in for 717 trips due to a training backlog. Guys who know how to bid and leave space open gather plenty of greenslips.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ROSWELL41]

It is now with FAR 117. It is tougher to give last minute trips to reserves because they don't know if they got 10 hours rest. They would rather give out "white slips" (voluntary pick up, normal pay) or "green slips" (double pay) because you are volunteering and sort of acknowledging you are rested. Also, 75/767 "ER" used to have 24 hour callout for INTL reserve, and now it's 12 hours due to 117. But, short call is still limited to 6 per month via the contract. The contract wins. They are now short on the 7ER, and 50 new spots wil be on next bid.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Good for you guys. Good to see arguing over who has the better deal for once. Hopefully we'll (NK) be able to keep pushing the bar higher thanks to your new contract. Ours will be opening soon.

 

[General Lee]

Good for you guys. Good to see arguing over who has the better deal for once. Hopefully we'll (NK) be able to keep pushing the bar higher thanks to your new contract. Ours will be opening soon.

I hope you guys keep the bar climbing. It's great you did get higher pay and kept the 4 days off min between trips.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Uh huh, and guess who the most vocal critic of SWA on here is.....

Not me......i never run to SWA threads and mud the water with the usual superiority complex usually passed our way.

 

[jonjuan]

You must have missed "Alan Shore" on that other forum that claimed he was a 12 year 7ER FO at DL that made more than $220K all in? Yeah you did. And, he got to do it flying to nice places. You lose again Jonny...


Bye Bye---General Lee

And he is NYC based-yuck. There must be a reason why new hires can hold 7ER NYC.
"14 years and worked MOST weekends!"
Keep it up Lee. Your schtick is getting limp.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

And he is NYC based-yuck. There must be a reason why new hires can hold 7ER NYC.
"14 years and worked MOST weekends!"
Keep it up Lee. Your schtick is getting limp.

Old news....that was 6 years ago.

Try something new or get some facts that are current to make your point.

 

[xray678]

on the downside, it occurs to me if guys keep picking up white/green slips, the airline could reduce useless reserves and trim staffing at the airline.

 

[redflyer65]

Well, the DL pilot's Duty Period Average(DPA) is 5:15, for normal duty periods. DH only duty periods don't count. The trip rig is 1 for 3.5,

Bye Bye---General Lee

Ahh, there's the problem.

And General, thank you for answering the question.

SW min is 6.5 per day.

So at SW, a 3 day pays minimum 19.5, 4 day is 26 (min).
The differences between SW paying 19 minimum for a 3 day and DL paying 21 for a 4 day really makes a difference. And that's what the original post was talking about.

Hopefully in the next contract you guys can get it raised somewhat, along with the increasing payrates you have coming down the road.

 

[FIREMAN]

Ahh, there's the problem.

And General, thank you for answering the question.

SW min is 6.5 per day.

So at SW, a 3 day pays minimum 19.5, 4 day is 26 (min).
The differences between SW paying 19 minimum for a 3 day and DL paying 21 for a 4 day really makes a difference. And that's what the original post was talking about.

Hopefully in the next contract you guys can get it raised somewhat, along with the increasing payrates you have coming down the road.

Are you using TFP or hours?

 

[PBRstreetgang]

What Red-Liar continually forgets is that DL and SWA are different types of carriers. He brings up "Rig", but forgets that I can fly an 11 hour leg as an INTL pilot, he can't as a domestic only pilot. Variety allows me to choose if I want to do long haul, or do a turn to San Juan from ATL. He is oblivious and totally jealous at the same time. Variety Red, it's the spice of life. I was in Rome, Italy twice last month for wonderful 48 hour layovers, and this month I go to Buenos Aires, Stuttgart, and a couple domestic layovers. You can't beat that variety. But you are right Red , numbers don't lie, and a 737 type rating costs at least $7K when you have to pay for it yourself. Isn't that about right, Red?


Bye Bye---General Lee

The only reason you are spouting your Doosh Hole here is because your mom brings you brisket and Code Red Mt. Dew during "your flights". The only foreign destinations you will ever see are via Google Earth, on your computer. Now it's apparent your meds are out of balance again, call the doc and calm down, before you get another time out.

 

[PBRstreetgang]

Me too-
He's just pissed SWA pilots like their life

I'm sure every cat hanging out in the regionals would take either carrier but he continues to cut and paste

No he is pissed because, he will never see the cockpit of a real airliner, he/it is just a pimple encrusted booger eater who will never finish high school, you see he was/is on a non grad track, he will be "living the dream" from his moms basement "crash pad".

 

[redflyer65]

Are you using TFP or hours?

I did the math earlier for each respective systems.

A senior CA at both on Min pay 4 day and the SW guy made about $500 more for the trip because the Rig differences.

 

[waveflyer]

So glad the same **************************************** have tu training sellout!

You mad I'm better than you bc I didn't fly in the military?

Back on the meds scooter!

 

[waveflyer]

Hold me to it freight

Speaking of, Omaha's good enough for Peyton but not you Lee?
Dbag always chasing the wide body carrot-

 

[mayoplane]

My SWA 3 day.

Report at 1500
Oak lax
Lax oak
Oak pdx 20 hrs in pdx

Pdx sjc
Sjc sna 19 hrs in sna

Sna smf
Smf las
Las oak

Done by 2000

Actual block was less than 10 hrs.
Credit was 19.5



I dont know why people think we fly 8 legs/day every day.
I dont get to overnight in Paris, but im very happy.

 

[General Lee]

My SWA 3 day.

Report at 1500
Oak lax
Lax oak
Oak pdx 20 hrs in pdx

Pdx sjc
Sjc sna 19 hrs in sna

Sna smf
Smf las
Las oak

Done by 2000

Actual block was less than 10 hrs.
Credit was 19.5



I dont know why people think we fly 8 legs/day every day.
I dont get to overnight in Paris, but im very happy.

Riiiiiight. That certainly is an anomaly. Normally, according to my friends there, you would add 2 to 3 extra legs per day. That's how you get your productive trips. Otherwise, you'd have to have 17,000 pilots.

How about an average trip?


Bye Bye---General Lee