Delta needs to pay pilots more

[General Lee]

Hold me to it freight

Speaking of, Omaha's good enough for Peyton but not you Lee?
Dbag always chasing the wide body carrot-

Looks like you will never know Wave. No, you didn't fly the good INTL trips at your previous Legacy.... You are now stuck with the OMA, LBB, and MAFs...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Scoot 11]

You mad I'm better than you bc I didn't fly in the military?

Back on the meds scooter!

Mad? Hardly Doosh bag! Just pointing our your continued hypocrisy and lowering of the bar you pay for training sellout troll! Back to the playground azzwipe!

 

[Ty Webb]

This was on the other forum;
Working the same number of days, the average SWA Captain made a little over $50K more in total compensation than I would have made as an MD-88/90 Captain at Delta.

Or put another way, for the year I worked 24 days MORE than the average SWA Captain, and I made $14,000 LESS.

With all the money they have laying around there is no excuse for the above.

If your only yardstick is pay, and you live in base, then you might be right; but for a commuter, a commutable 21 hour 4 day is better than a non-commutable 21 hour 3 day.

The 21 hour four day has the Company providing the hotel, per diem and usually some rig. The three day will have more flying, shorter layovers, less rig, and the Pilot paying for the hotel.

My trips this month all end with one leg to base on the last morning, finishing around 9:00 a.m. Two hours' flying, four hours' pay, and it gets me home before noon . . . . I'd take that over a non-commutable three day that flew 7 hours a day.

 

[727RedTails]

This is ridiculous, it sounds to me that Southwest has better rigs. As a Delta pilot I think instead of trying to find fault with their flying etc why don't we work together and make every company a better place to work.

 

[Ty Webb]

This is ridiculous, it sounds to me that Southwest has better rigs. As a Delta pilot I think instead of trying to find fault with their flying etc why don't we work together and make every company a better place to work.

You smell new.

 

[dbrownie]

This is ridiculous, it sounds to me that Southwest has better rigs. As a Delta pilot I think instead of trying to find fault with their flying etc why don't we work together and make every company a better place to work.

The fact that we have Delta pilots saying how great things are is why we can't be paid what we were back in 2000.

We have plenty of crappy trips int'l that pay low and are unproductive.

The company pulls out the rest facilities for example on the 330 and Delta pilots don't blink and sit in the back with the passengers.

Our pay "raise" is funded by a reduction in profit sharing....how stupid is that?

Now we are making billions!

Don't believe the rose colored glasses.

Db

 

[SWA Bubba]

This is ridiculous, it sounds to me that Southwest has better rigs. As a Delta pilot I think instead of trying to find fault with their flying etc why don't we work together and make every company a better place to work.

Stop trying to apply logic here.

If you can't turn ANY discussion into a SWA vs DL bash-fest, regardless of the original subject, then you have no place here on FI. You have to ignore anything positive about the other airline, because it might lessen your rant, and bonus points if you can work in some extraneous-yet-idiotic comment about LBB, or some other General-esque bullshyte.

Try again--I know you can do better

Bubba

 

[dbrownie]

Stop trying to apply logic here.

If you can't turn ANY discussion into a SWA vs DL bash-fest, regardless of the original subject, then you have no place here on FI. You have to ignore anything positive about the other airline, because it might lessen your rant, and bonus points if you can work in some extraneous-yet-idiotic comment about LBB, or other General-esque bullshyte.

Try again--I know you can do Bette.

Bubba

Agreed.. instead of insisting that we be paid as well as SWA pilots
(good for you guys!!!)
on similar equipment fools follow company BS and claim we are too different.

I believe SWA has a much better 401K match also?

They are the reason we accept a 3% increase and call it a "raise".
Even though its way below what it was in 2000.

Then brag about a 48 hour layover?

Wow
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[dbrownie]

on the downside, it occurs to me if guys keep picking up white/green slips, the airline could reduce useless reserves and trim staffing at the airline.

All part of the plan...
Keep the pay low and guys will whore themselves out. (and do)

who cares about reserve pilots?

I get mine pull up the rope.

Db

 

[waveflyer]

Never's a long time GL

You know what I am? Happy.

That's good even if you think you wouldn't like my job, right GL?

 

[mayoplane]

These are the first couple of trips in one month. This is typical.

Oak lax
Lax abq
Abq lax 18 hr stay

Lax oak
Oak pdx 24 hr stay

Pdx oak
Oak sna
Sna oak

Block 12.5
Pays 20


Oak lax
Lax oak
OakSlc 19 hrs stay

Slc phx
Phx sat
Sat san 14.5 hr stay

San aus
Aus oak

17.5 block (yuck!)
Pays 21


GL, you're friends, are they brand-new that they get stuck with 5 leg trips? Im about 5 yr seniority. That's not even half way up the FO seniority. (crazy!) If it blocks more, then a 3 day normally pays 22-24.

Im a fan of DL. It's a great company and I enjoy their product.


I do enjoy staying close to home and working for SWA. It's also a great place to be, and the schedule is flexible. I can work high hours for high dollars, or take it easy for 19.5 3day trip.

Last year,

600 block
138K where it says 'total gross pay'
A lot of days off. Average 18.

It's a great gig for me.

 

[redflyer65]

The fact that we have Delta pilots saying how great things are is why we can't be paid what we were back in 2000.

We have plenty of crappy trips int'l that pay low and are unproductive.

The company pulls out the rest facilities for example on the 330 and Delta pilots don't blink and sit in the back with the passengers.

Our pay "raise" is funded by a reduction in profit sharing....how stupid is that?

Now we are making billions!

Don't believe the rose colored glasses.

Db

Kind of like when you bring up the Dakar or Accra overnight to the General and he stays 'those are JFK overnights', so be basically he doesn't care. He's got his. Same with the domestic lines. He could care less about low they pay or how bad the rig. If you don't like it, don't bid it in his world. But wait, someone has to fly it!

I never understood why they cut the profit sharing back and voted in even larger RJs, especially when all the CRJ200's needed to be re-engine'd on Delta's dime. Several million dollars (read leverage) and DALPA gave them a pass. Sad really.

 

[dbrownie]

Kind of like when you bring up the Dakar or Accra overnight to the General and he stays 'those are JFK overnights', so be basically he doesn't care. He's got his. Same with the domestic lines. He could care less about low they pay or how bad the rig. If you don't like it, don't bid it in his world. But wait, someone has to fly it!

I never understood why they cut the profit sharing back and voted in even larger RJs, especially when all the CRJ200's needed to be re-engine'd on Delta's dime. Several million dollars (read leverage) and DALPA gave them a pass. Sad really.

Redflyer:
Spot on, most people get it but the koolaide level is at Jim Jones strength for some. (guess who)

Junior guys forced to fly to the African shi#holes with no extra pay for malaria exposure...

Plenty of extra special deals for the hometown insiders as well.

It is a poisoned well.


We left millions of back pay on the table, lost profit sharing, the list goes on...

Complain? Dalpa's response was shut down our forum.
Pull up the rope.

Don't rock the boat I got mine.

Db

 

[dbrownie]

These are the first couple of trips in one month. This is typical.

Oak lax
Lax abq
Abq lax 18 hr stay

Lax oak
Oak pdx 24 hr stay

Pdx oak
Oak sna
Sna oak

Block 12.5
Pays 20


Oak lax
Lax oak
OakSlc 19 hrs stay

Slc phx
Phx sat
Sat san 14.5 hr stay

San aus
Aus oak

17.5 block (yuck!)
Pays 21


GL, you're friends, are they brand-new that they get stuck with 5 leg trips? Im about 5 yr seniority. That's not even half way up the FO seniority. (crazy!) If it blocks more, then a 3 day normally pays 22-24.

Im a fan of DL. It's a great company and I enjoy their product.


I do enjoy staying close to home and working for SWA. It's also a great place to be, and the schedule is flexible. I can work high hours for high dollars, or take it easy for 19.5 3day trip.

Last year,

600 block
138K where it says 'total gross pay'
A lot of days off. Average 18.

It's a great gig for me.

Those look like very productive trips, most of ours aren't even close to that....
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[dicko]

You smell new.

"Wash her, then bring her to me !"

 

[General Lee]

The fact that we have Delta pilots saying how great things are is why we can't be paid what we were back in 2000.

We have plenty of crappy trips int'l that pay low and are unproductive.

The company pulls out the rest facilities for example on the 330 and Delta pilots don't blink and sit in the back with the passengers.

Our pay "raise" is funded by a reduction in profit sharing....how stupid is that?

Now we are making billions!

Don't believe the rose colored glasses.

Db

Are you junior in category? You should bid something that makes you senior in a smaller plane. Btw, the DL pilots are in the middle of a 3 year contract that did give an almost 20% raise, and with these profits, there is a great chance for MORE and better work rules to boot. It's going to continue to improve, and Consolidation has helped make everyone stronger and more profitable. Throw in 5,000 retirements in the next 10 years, and yeah, it's getting better.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

These are the first couple of trips in one month. This is typical.

Oak lax
Lax abq
Abq lax 18 hr stay

Lax oak
Oak pdx 24 hr stay

Pdx oak
Oak sna
Sna oak

Block 12.5
Pays 20


Oak lax
Lax oak
OakSlc 19 hrs stay

Slc phx
Phx sat
Sat san 14.5 hr stay

San aus
Aus oak

17.5 block (yuck!)
Pays 21


GL, you're friends, are they brand-new that they get stuck with 5 leg trips? Im about 5 yr seniority. That's not even half way up the FO seniority. (crazy!) If it blocks more, then a 3 day normally pays 22-24.

Im a fan of DL. It's a great company and I enjoy their product.


I do enjoy staying close to home and working for SWA. It's also a great place to be, and the schedule is flexible. I can work high hours for high dollars, or take it easy for 19.5 3day trip.

Last year,

600 block
138K where it says 'total gross pay'
A lot of days off. Average 18.

It's a great gig for me.

That is great you enjoy it. I'm glad for you. My friends tend to work pretty busy 3 and 4 day trips, and most have plenty of legs. To me, that sounds tiring. The older I get, the fewer legs I want to fly. Your trips can be super productive, but an INTL 2 leg trip with three or more pilots seems a heck of a lot easier. Staying close to home is important to some for different reasons, but I can "face to face " call with my smart phone from Dayton or Dusseldorf. You just have to be aware of the local time back home. When I fly, I want to walk up to the gate and look at the Widebody at the gate and read "Buenos Aires" or "Paris CDG". That means I'm actually "going somewhere." But, I'm glad you enjoy your job, and I mainly post to remind perspective wannabes the differences between different airlines. Getting hired at your LAST airline is very important, and you need to be well informed. Thanks for your post.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

But it'll fall on deaf ears- at delta you're not a real pilot until your flying "heavy iron"

They stood out in High School as the dorks who didn't fit in, bullied and insecure. They swore that one day they would show everyone, now they talk about the only thing they can point to in their pathetic lives, Mother Delto. How do you know that your neighbor is a Delto pilot, don't worry, he'll let you know.

 

[General Lee]

They stood out in High School as the dorks who didn't fit in, bullied and insecure. They swore that one day they would show everyone, now they talk about the only thing they can point to in their pathetic lives, Mother Delto. How do you know that your neighbor is a Delto pilot, don't worry, he'll let you know.

Obbbbbsessss much? Caution Wake Turbulence! You are soooo jealous it hurts, I bet. Oh well. You can always apply, lots of retirements coming up.

How do you know your neighbor is a Corndog? He's the guy wearing his Fonzi jacket, looking exhausted, driving his Porsche around the neighborhood mumbling "one more Lubbock layover and I'll puke. What was that website to apply to a Worldwide airline again?"



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

FART


Bye Bye---General Lee

Quit stinking up the place.

 

[General Lee]

Quit stinking up the place.

Wow, great response you jealous bass-tard! Ahahaha! Nice Fonzi Jacket.... Ehhhhh-aaayyheee!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[robair73]

Hey just a quick question in the middle of all this. Who's got the biggest weenie? I was just wondering and all :nuts:

 

[dbrownie]

Are you junior in category? You should bid something that makes you senior in a smaller plane. Btw, the DL pilots are in the middle of a 3 year contract that did give an almost 20% raise, and with these profits, there is a great chance for MORE and better work rules to boot. It's going to continue to improve, and Consolidation has helped make everyone stronger and more profitable. Throw in 5,000 retirements in the next 10 years, and yeah, it's getting better.



Bye Bye---General Lee

The fact that you call and accept the pay increase as a "raise" is the problem.
We deserve a "raise" not partial restoration under a bankruptcy contract. So the company will toss us crumbs as we voluntarily reduce our profit sharing?
We don't even go to half of the international destinations out of NYC that we used to (or do it seasonal for a couple of months).

Yes I am glad Delta is making record profits, it's too bad that the pilots who made some of the greatest sacrifices are not respected or rewarded for that effort.

I am not "junior" in my category by the way, our pilot group keeps shrinking, not growing and has done so since the NWA merger.

The 5000 retirements fantasy is the carrot mgt dangles in front of pilots and has for years.

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[General Lee]

The fact that you call and accept the pay increase as a "raise" is the problem.
We deserve a "raise" not partial restoration under a bankruptcy contract. So the company will toss us crumbs as we voluntarily reduce our profit sharing?
We don't even go to half of the international destinations out of NYC that we used to (or do it seasonal for a couple of months).

Yes I am glad Delta is making record profits, it's too bad that the pilots who made some of the greatest sacrifices are not respected or rewarded for that effort.

I am not "junior" in my category by the way, our pilot group keeps shrinking, not growing and has done so since the NWA merger.

The 5000 retirements fantasy is the carrot mgt dangles in front of pilots and has for years.

Db

Sorry, you have to wait to negotiate, unless they NEED something from you right now (like FAR 117 changes). Otherwise, you wait, and this is a 3 year contract. The airline has gone through a retraction in the past couple years, mainly due to mods on many of the fleets, but now there seems to be a need for extra pilots due to the 717 backlog, new 739ERs coming, and FAR 117. Those 5000 pilots retiring are out there, it's just plain math. They will all go, and the company doesn't know exactly when. Eventually, all of this will occur at the same time, and it will be a bonanza for the pilots. Higher pay, short on pilots, retirements.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

General,

Brownie is right. We squandered away the biggest leverage of my career and we got a plus-minus pos contract. Inexcusable for a company that was projected to print money.

We are no different than the French with a white flag for surrender.

 

[dbrownie]

Sorry, you have to wait to negotiate, unless they NEED something from you right now (like FAR 117 changes). Otherwise, you wait, and this is a 3 year contract. The airline has gone through a retraction in the past couple years, mainly due to mods on many of the fleets, but now there seems to be a need for extra pilots due to the 717 backlog, new 739ERs coming, and FAR 117. Those 5000 pilots retiring are out there, it's just plain math. They will all go, and the company doesn't know exactly when. Eventually, all of this will occur at the same time, and it will be a bonanza for the pilots. Higher pay, short on pilots, retirements.



Bye Bye---General Lee

Dalpa's track record is that what ever the company asks for the company gets...

Who would ever give up a installed pilot's rest bunk for a seat in the noisy cabin? With out a fight! in the middle of massive profits?

I have a bad feeling that Dalpa will sell us out, again, on 117.
Look at our paperwork it already assumes you WILL give them a 2 hour
extension...

Because the company knows Dalpa won't blink.

We are replacing 757s for long range 737s will they pay the same?

No of course not.

We are adding 321s which will hold almost as much as a 757 will it pay more than the 319?

No of course not.

This "We'll get them next time" attitude is why we are weak.
It's why 5000 plus guys are ready to dump ALPA.

Again, it's great the company is making money.
Beats the alternative.

Db

 

[dbrownie]

General,

Brownie is right. We squandered away the biggest leverage of my career and we got a plus-minus pos contract. Inexcusable for a company that was projected to print money.

We are no different than the French with a white flag for surrender.

Bill our "union" is so weak that they won't even utter the word "restoration" in that it might upset mgt.

We were in a great position to return this job back into a profession but squandered that opportunity by snapping at the first crumb offered by the
company....

Even sold by the phrase "we wont get the new planes if...."

So now we wait till 2015 so we can maybe get paid the rates we had in
2000?

WTF?

Db

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

DB....

And you think the "Alternative" train wreck in the waiting union would be effective at anything? You are dreaming.....

Pull the trigger...let's vote and see how it turns out. I'm not ready to gamble away my future with a bunch of amateurs whose only business plan is "We can do better!"

 

[jonjuan]

and with these profits, there is a great chance for MORE and better work rules to boot.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Zero chance of that, lee. That's not your profit, that's theirs (as you so willingly voted).

 

[dbrownie]

DB....

And you think the "Alternative" train wreck in the waiting union would be effective at anything? You are dreaming.....

Pull the trigger...let's vote and see how it turns out. I'm not ready to gamble away my future with a bunch of amateurs whose only business plan is "We can do better!"

Bill;
Perhaps you are correct, all I know is the way things are done now has to change.

Our union is broken, they are to in bed with mgt, to many deals for some.

Maybe DPA voting blocks could sway things?

There should not even be a need for a "DPA" the fact that over 5000 pilots want to throw out DALPA doesn't even get their attention.

Db