Delta needs to pay pilots more

[General Lee]

I'm home for 23 nights a month GL

I like that and want no part of multiple international destinations a month.

Hence my desire to work at SWA-

I also don't care if I never go to training again on another airplane.

You continually (cut & paste, stuck on repeat) bring up traits about SWA as if they were negatives, which are positives to me.

That said- our mission statement: "the WORLD's most loved, most flown carrier"

If we don't have wide bodies in 5 years GL, I'll stop posting forever

So we'll have that "choice" and a MUCH funner place to work

Wave,

I can do turns to San Juan or St Thomas from ATL and be home every night. I actually like "going places" far away and eating local foods and hearing different languages. But, you and Red now can do the same thanks to your company starting Newark service a couple years ago. Not really the same, Wave.... Your company's 5 leg days across the nation sound very boring, and at the same time exhausting. That will eat away at your brain eventually. The older you get, the fewer legs you want to do. Unfortunately, your super productive trips mean "many legs", and that stinks. Enjoy it.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Haha. Your hilarious General. Thanks for the comedy as usual.

What does overnights have to do with pay?

Why do have to get sooooo far off topic and start talking about Lubbock and type ratings? Why? I'll tell you why...because you can't even come close to debating an actual topic. Like pay Rigs.

Now once again, Gen. Stay on topic with me here.....what is the Delta pay Rig?

You must really be self conscious to not be able to debate a valid point that one of YOUR pilots throws up in a question....and then jump to

1. Two different airlines (really, that's a mind boggling statement)

2. Overnight differences (not part of the original question, and it doesn't matter to me....much to your dismay I guess)

3. Something about an 11 hour leg (again, nothing to do with the topic)

4. Southwest type rating (nothing to do with the topic, should I bring up the DL college requirement? Why would I?)

You actually brought up the word RIG, then never explained anything about it......as a matter of fact, you ran away from the topic and went down at least four different roads that had nothing to do about what was being discussed. Schizophrenic much General? .....and this is what makes you look like such a Village Idiot.

Why don't you try a cognizant answer this time Gen? I know you can do it!

Red, I thought you had me on IGNORE??? Ahahahaha.

Well, the DL pilot's Duty Period Average(DPA) is 5:15, for normal duty periods. DH only duty periods don't count. The trip rig is 1 for 3.5, and is usually the highest rig for long international trips or low block trips. Min trip pay for a 3 day trip that has a DI prior to 9pm local on day one is 13:30.(mainly ending with an allnighter on day 3) The Duty Rig is 1 for 2.

I'm pretty sure that is right, but remember Red, I usually fly 2 leg 3 days to Europe, and 4 day trips to S. America. There are other trips out there, mainly West Coast, that do Asia and can be as long as 12-14 days, but pay up to 82 hours, all with INTL override and INTL per diem. Variety Red and Wave, it's FANTASTIC.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ROSWELL41]

The General talks about his trips like they're a big vacation. I'll take the airline job that keeps me home every night. It's a lot easier to have a life!

 

[waveflyer]

Me too-
He's just pissed SWA pilots like their life

I'm sure every cat hanging out in the regionals would take either carrier but he continues to cut and paste

 

[General Lee]

The General talks about his trips like they're a big vacation. I'll take the airline job that keeps me home every night. It's a lot easier to have a life!

You mean like doing turns to San Juan, St Thomas, Phoenix, and Salt Lake from ATL? Then DL is for you! That's just on the 757/767. There are also Caribbean turns worth 10 hours in one day (a DH on one end). (737 and 320 mainly).

I just wanna know from you: what is her name? Who are you stalking? You need to be home EVERY darn night? Really? Ooooooh-Kay..... Ever had a 48 hour layover in Europe? No? Didn't think so.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Me too-
He's just pissed SWA pilots like their life

I'm sure every cat hanging out in the regionals would take either carrier but he continues to cut and paste

Pissed about what? I'm sure some of you do like LBB and multiple leg days. That's great for the first 5-10 years. Then..... It sux. But, prospective pilots looking for differences need to know them, and your lack of retirements along with a contentious merger means stagnation for years and years. Throwing out FACTS like this is really a public service announcement. You're welcome.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[Kenney G]

I will give it to delta that they get an approx. 14% defined contribution as well as the 401k and profit sharing. I would hope swa adds the defined contribution to there next contract. That extra 14% towards retirement is huge over a career.

 

[canyonblue]

.........his airline's lame hiring practices.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Those same "hiring practices" kept your fat ass out. Having to spend a four day with a dork like you is enough reason to consider anyone but Delto.

 

[canyonblue]

The General talks about his trips like they're a big vacation. I'll take the airline job that keeps me home every night. It's a lot easier to have a life!

Delto and this forum are his only life, a sad sad life.

 

[DairyAir]

While I do hope other airlines will always improve on their respective contracts as that helps everyone I do have to say this.

I have had more fun on overnights in innocuous places at Southwest than I ever had at any of the other three airlines I have worked for, two of those had overnights in "exotic" international destinations that the general has such a hard-on for. It is not unusual to head down to the bar and find ten or more crewmembers at a table having a raucous time. Don't ever seem to see other airlines crews with that sense of community. We may be in Lubbock but we are with "family" and having a great time. A wise old Pan Am captain once told me that if the pay was the same fleet wide the 727 would have been the senior aircraft. So enjoy your 8,9,10hour or whatever legs to wherever cause the van ride looks the same whether your in Milan or Midland. Maybe we will fly over oceans maybe not but right now I just want my last paycheck to say Southwest Airlines and I could give a rats a$$ what kind of airplane I fly

Bye Bye...Dairy Air

 

[Cubs in '05]

Couldn't agree with Dairy Air more. I rarely post but in 9 years I've overnighted in LBB once. Yes it sucks (unless you are with a great crew) but once in 9 years I'll take it. I hope everyone is happy with where they work but for those of us at SWA (at least myself) I wouldn't want to be anywhere else.

 

[scoreboardII]

This was on the other forum;
Working the same number of days, the average SWA Captain made a little over $50K more in total compensation than I would have made as an MD-88/90 Captain at Delta.

Or put another way, for the year I worked 24 days MORE than the average SWA Captain, and I made $14,000 LESS.

With all the money they have laying around there is no excuse for the above.

For comparison I'm interested to see where you are at, can you show us the flight hours per month, pay per hour, maybe rig numbers to compare to SWA? I'll admit, our min is in the 85-90ish TFP or hrs a month, but the average guy flys 105ish. That's a healthy 15% or so difference just on guys who fly min and guys who fly average, heck, imagine the guys who hump and fly 120-130 a month. That's a difference of way over $50k just between the same seat and longevity at SWA.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Funny how the most vocal critics of the contract I work under is the SWA pilots. Getting ready to watch Gary pull the plug on the good times happyland contract over there makes them lash out on Delta threads.

Thanks for the criticism guys. Let us know how great your life is when Gary punches SWAPA in the ovaries and steals your purse.

 

[waveflyer]

Pissed about what? I'm sure some of you do like LBB and multiple leg days. That's great for the first 5-10 years. Then..... It sux. But, prospective pilots looking for differences need to know them, and your lack of retirements along with a contentious merger means stagnation for years and years. Throwing out FACTS like this is really a public service announcement. You're welcome.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Speaking of, you've been on the stagnation schtick for a long time now- years even- but stagnation to us is trickle hiring, where for you it's been big furloughs and recalls-

So a fair question, I don't know honestly- who's done more hiring in the last 5 years, delta or Swa?

 

[waveflyer]

Funny how the most vocal critics of the contract I work under is the SWA pilots. Getting ready to watch Gary pull the plug on the good times happyland contract over there makes them lash out on Delta threads.

Thanks for the criticism guys. Let us know how great your life is when Gary punches SWAPA in the ovaries and steals your purse.

That could happen, but doubtful-
Do hope you guys leapfrog us though and sit smugly on FI bitching about how we lower the bar- that's where I'd like the industry contracts- not you guys struggling to make 73 pay flying a wide body