Delta multiple jumpseat agreement with SWA.

[TAZ MAN]

Delta multiple jumpseat agreement with SWA.

Message to the SWA pilots:

"Southwest Airlines recently signed a Multi-Jumpseat Reciprocal Agreement with Delta Airlines. We have implemented the agreement and welcome any Delta Pilots under the terms of the agreement. However, SWA Pilots are currently not yet approved to travel on Delta under the agreement. Delta Airlines is experiencing a delay in the implementation of business processes and rules of the agreement. We expect Delta to have finished the implementation of the agreement within this month. We will let you know once Delta has finished the implementation and SWA Pilots are approved. In the mean time please continue to allow Delta Pilots to travel under the Multi-Jumpseat reciprocal Agreement."

SWA guys are class acts-!! Bet it wouldn't happen the other way around.

 

[General Lee]

Delta multiple jumpseat agreement with SWA.

Message to the SWA pilots:

"Southwest Airlines recently signed a Multi-Jumpseat Reciprocal Agreement with Delta Airlines. We have implemented the agreement and welcome any Delta Pilots under the terms of the agreement. However, SWA Pilots are currently not yet approved to travel on Delta under the agreement. Delta Airlines is experiencing a delay in the implementation of business processes and rules of the agreement. We expect Delta to have finished the implementation of the agreement within this month. We will let you know once Delta has finished the implementation and SWA Pilots are approved. In the mean time please continue to allow Delta Pilots to travel under the Multi-Jumpseat reciprocal Agreement."

SWA guys are class acts-!! Bet it wouldn't happen the other way around.



What? Why wouldn't it happen the other way around? That makes no sense. We are happy to have this agreement and look forward to its implementation. And, we are looking forward to others being made soon. CASS will start in AUG. too.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[TAZ MAN]

What? Why wouldn't it happen the other way around? That makes no sense. We are happy to have this agreement and look forward to its implementation. And, we are looking forward to others being made soon. CASS will start in AUG. too.

I say that General because there was a time where you guys didn't have any jumpseat agreements and SWA was hauling you guys around for years before you finally negotiated one. Its just that an old time institution like the DAL's and AA's just don't give anything away before they get it themselves.

Delta would have waited for SWA to get "business processes and rules of the agreement" before they would have honored the agreement.

Of course I am just speculating.

I have jumpseated on Delta a couple times and you guys treated me extremely well.

 

[General Lee]

I say that General because there was a time where you guys didn't have any jumpseat agreements and SWA was hauling you guys around for years before you finally negotiated one. Its just that an old time institution like the DAL's and AA's just don't give anything away before they get it themselves.

Delta would have waited for SWA to get "business processes and rules of the agreement" before they would have honored the agreement.

Of course I am just speculating.

I have jumpseated on Delta a couple times and you guys treated me extremely well.

Good. Yeah, I know we have had problems in our past, and hopefully that will never happen again. I think everyone can see that multiple jumpseats are the way to go, and our negotiating committee saw that too, as our pay rates sank. We are doing the best we can and hopefully we will have that type of agreement with everyone. CASS is on the way shortly. So, your jumpseat to Hawaii awaits.....


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[TR4A]

CASS will start in AUG. too.

SWA CASS Launch date is now 1 May. We hope.

 

[aa73]

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[TristarCostar]

ATA is open to all. If there is a seat its yours. Its too bad that more airlines can't make this simple and do the same. I for one am a commuter and tired of Captains pushing off the gates with open seats and leaving commuters behind. I have made the choice to commute but it can be simpler. Thank God for the CASS program!

 

[8vATE]

WOW LEE...

Your junior varsity status in this industry shows through occasionally..

DELTA is WIDELY known as being LAST when it comes to jumpseat agreements..

Granted... its not your fault... Delta management never wanted to give up that jumpseat... its funny how many of your peers shared managements view that it wouldn't be PROFESSIONAL to open the jumpseat...

I remember a LOT of your peers attitudes in the late 80s to early 90s....

Another example of DELTA ARROGANCE!!

 

[General Lee]

WOW LEE...

Your junior varsity status in this industry shows through occasionally..

DELTA is WIDELY known as being LAST when it comes to jumpseat agreements..

Granted... its not your fault... Delta management never wanted to give up that jumpseat... its funny how many of your peers shared managements view that it wouldn't be PROFESSIONAL to open the jumpseat...

I remember a LOT of your peers attitudes in the late 80s to early 90s....

Another example of DELTA ARROGANCE!!

Wow. You are sooo jealous. Junior varsity status? What? I knew that we only got our jumpseat in '96, the year I was hired. You have to remember that the company did not want to give it up, equated it to a large pay cut, because they didn't want the other employees to see what unionized people got.

As far as you remembering my "peers" attitudes in the late 80s to 90s---a lot of them are retiring now. I think you should join them, you are very bitter. Let me guess? The psych test eliminated you? I knew it, you sound like a bitter person. There are drugs for that now you know.......


And as far as my arrogance goes with that original post, it sounded originally like a swipe at us when in reality we are doing a lot better than before concerning the jumpseat. We made it a priority with this pay cut to get something back, and they agreed to unlimited flowbacks and CASS. Not bad for a group that couldn't even jump 9 years ago.

Bye Bye--General Lee (promoted to Varsity)

 

[Dizel8]

No GL, it is better, but when is it going to happen? I think I must agree with TAZMAN, that this would not have happened the other way around.

Delta mgmnt. is clearly dragging their feet on this, maybe the pilots should light a fire under their chairs.

DAL pilots took a big paycut, but they were nice to negotiate unlimited for the rest of us and I thank you for that. Now, it is time for mgmnt. to live up to that part of the contract. Since you say it is in writing, perhaps the DAL pilots should just do it and thereby return the favor to all those who have given DAL pilots rides, even when they could not reciprocate.

P.S. FWIW, I do not js on Delta!

 

[General Lee]

No GL, it is better, but when is it going to happen? I think I must agree with TAZMAN, that this would not have happened the other way around.

Delta mgmnt. is clearly dragging their feet on this, maybe the pilots should light a fire under their chairs.

DAL pilots took a big paycut, but they were nice to negotiate unlimited for the rest of us and I thank you for that. Now, it is time for mgmnt. to live up to that part of the contract. Since you say it is in writing, perhaps the DAL pilots should just do it and thereby return the favor to all those who have given DAL pilots rides, even when they could not reciprocate.

P.S. FWIW, I do not js on Delta!

Well, FWIW I do not jump on Jetblue. Hey, give us a little break here, we are working on it and it has been agreed to. It may be slow, but it will stick and then everyone will be happy. I don't know why it takes forever, but it will happen. If someone reading this doesn't want to help a Delta jumpseater, well, good for them and I hope it makes them feel great.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

['72Gremlin]

Lee,

Will the implementation of CASS in Aug just allow offline commuters to ride in the cockpit, or will Delta expand that and allow unlimited jumpseaters/commuters on board?

Gremlin

 

[Dizel8]

Of course, I would never say no to a DAL pilot, or F/A for that matter, this is mgmnt. foot dragging.

It just surprises me, given the chunk of money that was handed over, that the DAL pilots have not pushed this issue to its conclusion.

 

[chase]

General,

I'm grateful the pilots asked for this & have worked with your management to get it for all concern. I was told CASS would be in place by Feb...it has slipped to April & May...I'm not bitter about it, the hoops to make this work are immense...the same goes for the multiiple JS agreement at any major carrier. The follks who sit on those Jumpseat committees are to be commended & thanked...pls pass along that to your folks General. Management has many issues on their hands & understandably only so much energy/focus to put into issues....it will get done at some point in the near future & a year from now it too will be taken for granted....the normal pilot's (humanity) attitude is "what have you done for me lately?"

I look forward to carrying as many DAL folks as possible in the future along with other multiple jumpseat airlines...thanks to all the folks that make this happen for commuters!!!!

 

[General Lee]

[QUOTE='72Gremlin]Lee,

Will the implementation of CASS in Aug just allow offline commuters to ride in the cockpit, or will Delta expand that and allow unlimited jumpseaters/commuters on board?

Gremlin[/QUOTE]

I think if your airline has CASS, you can go in the jumpseat if there are no seats in back. If there are a lot of seats in back, then unlimited jumps eventually.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

General,

I'm grateful the pilots asked for this & have worked with your management to get it for all concern. I was told CASS would be in place by Feb...it has slipped to April & May...I'm not bitter about it, the hoops to make this work are immense...the same goes for the multiiple JS agreement at any major carrier. The follks who sit on those Jumpseat committees are to be commended & thanked...pls pass along that to your folks General. Management has many issues on their hands & understandably only so much energy/focus to put into issues....it will get done at some point in the near future & a year from now it too will be taken for granted....the normal pilot's (humanity) attitude is "what have you done for me lately?"

I look forward to carrying as many DAL folks as possible in the future along with other multiple jumpseat airlines...thanks to all the folks that make this happen for commuters!!!!

Thanks Chase. We are working on it and then you guys can have unlimited jumps to HNL and OGG, even in the cockpit.

Bye bye--General Lee

 

[HalinTexas]

Thanks Chase. We are working on it and then you guys can have unlimited jumps to HNL and OGG, even in the cockpit.

Again, we keep getting overlooked.

ATA has ALWAYS allowed unlimited jumpseaters. We do not require reciprocal agreements. CASS has been implimented as of yesterday. Some of the gate agents are still being spooled up.

HI has always been an option with increasing flights coming this summer from PHX and LAS, as well as LAX and SFO.

Welcome aboard and bring chocolate. Our FA's aren't fat enough.

 

[LUV/FO]

Hey All,

I am the Jumpseat Coordinator at Southwest and have been working on this agreement with the Jumpseat Coordinator at Delta and directly with the Management folks there.
In Delta's defense,everyone has been working extremely hard to get this to go through. There have been a few snags along the way due to the way Delta lists the jumpseater on the load sheet and in the computer. The number of actual jumpseats on each specific plane has every thing to do with the number of jumpseaters they can enter in the computer and on the load sheet. The problem is where to list the other jumpseaters in an unlimited jumpseat situation. I know it sounds like a simple fix, but changing a computer program on old computers is a little more difficult than it sounds. It is being done and Deta has been great about keeping me updated on the progress. It looks like next week everything should be worked out. I will keep my fingers crossed. I commute out of Atlanta to Baltimore so I am also anxious for this to be in place. Since we at Southwest already offer unlimited jumpseat privledges to other airlines it was a no brainer to add Delta to our list. There was no reason not to allow our fellow brothers at Delta the seats on our planes even though they could not reciprocate at the time the agreement was signed. There is no advantage on Delta's side to drag their feet on this. We are talking about pilots getting to and from work and I am sure everyone involved that understands the process would perfer a guy or girl get to their pairing rather than NO SHOW or call in sick. The latter are not very cost effective for the company.
Thanks,

John

 

[canyonblue]

So TAZ MAN, please tell me how you had access to RBF # 05-22 if you are not a Southwest pilot? And if you are, who in management gave you authorization to post a company memo on a public forum?

 

[chase]

John,


thanks again for all the work you have done since you took over that job...night & day....you have many folks enduring thanks coming your way....you describe the situation/dilemma well...folks want it right away & it doesn't always work that way...thanks for working the wickets & being persistent about...thanks to your cohorts at the other airlines for their work too.

 

[LUV/FO]

Thanks Chase. It is my pleasure.

John

 

[8vATE]

Wow. You are sooo jealous. Junior varsity status?
As far as you remembering my "peers" attitudes in the late 80s to 90s---

And as far as my arrogance goes with that original post, Not bad for a group that couldn't even jump 9 years ago.

Bye Bye--General Lee (promoted to Varsity)

Give it a rest LEE...

You've only been with a "major" for 8 years...

You stick your nose in everyones posts..

And your pilot group has always had a chip on their shoulder..

Now you guys are losing your a@#...

You copy a good product (jetBlue) and call it original...


And you got the nerve to think that anyone cares about a group of pilots who are only second to UAL pilots for being greedy..

what comes around goes around...

 

[LUV/FO]

I just commuted home from BWI to ATL and gate agents at both places said they received a memo to allow as many Southwest Guys as there were seats available.
Life is getting better.

John

 

[TAZ MAN]

So TAZ MAN, please tell me how you had access to RBF # 05-22 if you are not a Southwest pilot? And if you are, who in management gave you authorization to post a company memo on a public forum?

I didn't think I was leaking top secret company information. I thought it was putting you and your company in a good light.

I got the info from another forum.

Chill dude.

 

[Hutcha]

I just commuted home from BWI to ATL and gate agents at both places said they received a memo to allow as many Southwest Guys as there were seats available.
Life is getting better.
John

When is this going to open up to other carriers that allow unlimited jumpseaters???

 

[Hutcha]

Sorry I must have transmitted on the wrong radio.


When is this going to open up to other carriers that allow unlimited jumpseaters???

Over.....

 

[enigma]

Sorry I must have transmitted on the wrong radio.


When is this going to open up to other carriers that allow unlimited jumpseaters???

Over.....

once we start flying to place that SWA guys need to go, that's when. Spirit will fill up our seats, and even let off line jumpseaters on the aft FA jumpseats, but we don't offer enough service to SWA cities, therefore we don't get the unlimited. someday, someday.

On the other hand, we recently received the U designation from AA. Thanks Ya'll .

enigma

 

[IAHERJ]

How about AirTran? You guys at SWA are always great but I don't think we are on your official unlimited list. Maybe our JS coordinator needs to get in touch with you guys and we need to ax the 25 dollar charge for the additional offline jumpseaters.


Delta guys, when are the rest of us going to get unlimited with you. I routinely carry more than 1 Delta guy out of PNS as well as other destinations. I routinely get bumped with open seats going home to Texas. It is getting hard to greet DL guys with a smile and welcome them into our business class cabin(which we do everytime we have open seats) when the best I can get is a last minute seat (never in front) on you guys. Even when the flight is wide open, offline guys have to sweat the ride if it is Delta. I'd even be willing to spend a fee for a last minute seat if I'm the second jseater.

IAHERJ