Delta is getting ready to hire!!!

[EMBpilot]

I still think there will be deeper cut at DCI.

Yes, Delta has modest fleet growth plans, but DC9's will still go..
I guess a lot rests on JAL outcome.

Good luck to you, guys. Delta is a fine airline, I am sure it'll do great.

 

[Superpilot92]

MEM Cheif Pilot just sent out an email stating for everyone to expect the first joint bid to post in December. Here comes the fireworks!! :nuts:

 

[Superpilot92]

I still think there will be deeper cut at DCI.

Yes, Delta has modest fleet growth plans, but DC9's will still go..
I guess a lot rests on JAL outcome.

Good luck to you, guys. Delta is a fine airline, I am sure it'll do great.

I agree,

It should be noted that the DC9-30/40s will be replaced by MD-90's in the next year or so and the DC9-50's will be sticking around for a number of years to come. They just finished painting and updating the interiors on all 34 of the -50's.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

DO not forget that they are adding Wi-Fi

There will be growth here, and DCI is going to shrink. Either way lots of hiring in the next few years. They are going to need to get real fat to deal with the 700-900 guys a year that will be bailing starting in seven years. They should be hoping for a horrible economy to deal with this in!

 

[johnsonrod]

MEM Cheif Pilot just sent out an email stating for everyone to expect the first joint bid to post in December. Here comes the fireworks!! :nuts:

Some of you NWA pilots keep saying "here comes the fireworks" etc. What does that mean? Do you think a lot of NWA guys are going to move in to DAL bases and planes? What is the concensus between guys you fly with? Where do they want to go? I thought you guys were upset about the seniority integration? Which bases will be raided by you guys? I hope to be a future Delta pilot someday. Beats my regional by far I am sure.

 

[Superpilot92]

Some of you NWA pilots keep saying "here comes the fireworks" etc. What does that mean? Do you think a lot of NWA guys are going to move in to DAL bases and planes? What is the concensus between guys you fly with? Where do they want to go? I thought you guys were upset about the seniority integration? Which bases will be raided by you guys? I hope to be a future Delta pilot someday. Beats my regional by far I am sure.

The majority aren't mad about integration. That's over and behind the majority. There's going to be movement everywhere which is why I said fireworks. (read, not in a bad way).. The majority of guys I fly with wanna stay right where they are and the ones that have mentioned moving to a dal base is only if they get bumped from their captain slots. Me personally, I'd love nothing more than to get back to where I was this time last year. I have no real desire to move into a dal-s base at all right now.

Some will chase the planes and some won't. That will be the case on both sides as dal redistributes planes and bases in the next few years.

With that said, I hope you get on too. It should be a great place to hang your hat, especially with the upcoming seniority progression. Good luck

 

[FBN0223]

With the large percentage of Delta-N guys/gals that commute, many aircraft swapping bases, and basically the first full integration of two very large airlines, we're going to have massive movement. Unfortunately not all of it up.

DTW is the largest DL-N base with the highest percentage of commuters. I'd look for the DL-N east coast guys jumping out of DTW and going to NYC and the guys commuting to DTW from the south moving into ATL.

SEA is going to become more of a senior base than it already is with all of the Delta-S pilots around the Puget Sound and PDX.

Significant movement in a couple other bases as well(LAX and SLC) but that's enough speculation.

 

[General Lee]

With the large percentage of Delta-N guys/gals that commute, many aircraft swapping bases, and basically the first full integration of two very large airlines, we're going to have massive movement. Unfortunately not all of it up.

DTW is the largest DL-N base with the highest percentage of commuters. I'd look for the DL-N east coast guys jumping out of DTW and going to NYC and the guys commuting to DTW from the south moving into ATL.

SEA is going to become more of a senior base than it already is with all of the Delta-S pilots around the Puget Sound and PDX.

Significant movement in a couple other bases as well(LAX and SLC) but that's enough speculation.

The moving of the SLC MD90 to MSP will be interesting, and could prove to be a real boost to MSP. I don't know if many SLC pilots will follow it there. The 777 moving from JFK to DTW will displace senior pilots (probably from the 777 to the 765 in JFK), but it will add a lot of high paying jobs to DAL-S guys in DTW since it will grow in size. I assume the 2 extra 777s we have coming in 2010 will go there. ATL will suffer with the displacement of many 765 jobs going to JFK, and I am interested to find out what will replace those 765s leaving ATL for JFK. Will 767ERs from JFK replace them? How about A330s? Something will replace that time. Interesting times.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[GogglesPisano]

85% on NYC commutes. I would assume 85% of the current NYC 777 pilots would simply chase the plane to DTW. A few might bid NYC 765.

A lesser percentage of ATL 765 pilots (the ones without Real Housewives of Atlanta) will chase the plane to NYC.

I'll wager the A330 in ATL will go very senior -- open to both N and S. A lot of ATL guys will be disappointed.

 

[FBN0223]

The moving of the SLC MD90 to MSP will be interesting, and could prove to be a real boost to MSP. I don't know if many SLC pilots will follow it there.

Bye Bye--General Lee

A SLC MD Captain told me that most all of guys on the MD88 in SLC will swap over to the A320 vs. commuting to MSP. The A320 will be a good fit for SLC and I think it's better duty than flying the MD88/90.

Whatever happens, less 50 seat RJs and more mainline jets is always good. And speaking of 50-seat RJs, what a piece of crap!!! Passengers hate it, mainline pilots hate it, but at least it's almost always weight restricted.

 

[General Lee]

A SLC MD Captain told me that most all of guys on the MD88 in SLC will swap over to the A320 vs. commuting to MSP. The A320 will be a good fit for SLC and I think it's better duty than flying the MD88/90.

Whatever happens, less 50 seat RJs and more mainline jets is always good. And speaking of 50-seat RJs, what a piece of crap!!! Passengers hate it, mainline pilots hate it, but at least it's almost always weight restricted.

I agree, and I also think the MD90 will be a good fit in MSP. It can hit both coasts from there, and many MSP guys will like it since it is an upgrade from the DC9 in pay and avionics. I hope DL uses the A319s again to Montanta from SLC, and dumps the RJs. They could fly MSP--MSO-and then onto SLC, returning mainline service finally. They could do that for FCA, BIL, and GTF too probably.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

85% on NYC commutes. I would assume 85% of the current NYC 777 pilots would simply chase the plane to DTW. A few might bid NYC 765.

A lesser percentage of ATL 765 pilots (the ones without Real Housewives of Atlanta) will chase the plane to NYC.

I'll wager the A330 in ATL will go very senior -- open to both N and S. A lot of ATL guys will be disappointed.

330 will more than likely not be on this bid as we do not have SIM time for that much training.

 

[Diesel-9]

Went thru re-qual recently and there was talk NWA picked up a A-330 sim somewhere and it was being refurbished.

 

[EMBpilot]

CAL can only train like 30% of pilots in house.
Everything else is outsourced and held together by dozens of contracts with all sorts of school houses that could be canceled almost overnight.
Very safe and leaves a lot of room for execs to close the doors and bailout with millions if things go south.

I hope Delta will not go that route. Buy assets!

 

[General Lee]

330 will more than likely not be on this bid as we do not have SIM time for that much training.

So, what will replace the current 765 flying? If they fly nightly from ATL to MAD or to MUC, then something will replace it, either the 767ERs from JFK the 765s are replacing, or something else like A330s.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

So, what will replace the current 765 flying? If they fly nightly from ATL to MAD or to MUC, then something will replace it, either the 767ERs from JFK the 765s are replacing, or something else like A330s.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Only 1/2 the fleet is being considered as moving to JFK. Think of it as taking the LAX 765 and now putting in NYC. 10 of 21 jets The rest is/will be done by fly thru 330 crews.

Hey Gen, want to go in on a DTW crashpad. :smash:

 

[General Lee]

Only 1/2 the fleet is being considered as moving to JFK. Think of it as taking the LAX 765 and now putting in NYC. 10 of 21 jets The rest is/will be done by fly thru 330 crews.

Hey Gen, want to go in on a DTW crashpad. :smash:

Okay, then where will the ERs go from JFK, that are being replaced by 765s? Could it be.......wait for it.....SEA? They have to be going somewhere unless we are parking them. When will CVG ER go away? (they don't really have any planes there anyway, since they DH to and from almost every trip)

And, I think I will still comfortably hold ATL on the ER. I could have been relatively senior on the 765 here in ATL, but I like the ER and it's variety. Thanks though.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Okay, then where will the ERs go from JFK, that are being replaced by 765s? Could it be.......wait for it.....SEA? They have to be going somewhere unless we are parking them. When will CVG ER go away? (they don't really have any planes there anyway, since they DH to and from almost every trip)

And, I think I will still comfortably hold ATL on the ER. I could have been relatively senior on the 765 here in ATL, but I like the ER and it's variety. Thanks though.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Funny thing is that most of that 765 flying already being done up there. I am sure you will see flying or pairing do some other stuff, but from the sounds of it, no SEA ER base this bid. That should be in AUG.

I know where you sit, just giving you a hard time.

 

[General Lee]

Funny thing is that most of that 765 flying already being done up there. I am sure you will see flying or pairing do some other stuff, but from the sounds of it, no SEA ER base this bid. That should be in AUG.

I know where you sit, just giving you a hard time.

Yeah, I guess you are right. I know the 765 has a couple flights to LHR from JFK, and DTW and MSP are on 765s also from LHR I believe. That sure will cut down on Roosevelt layovers. Thanks for the info.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Lets just see what plans they actually pull the triggers on. If it is anything close to this, ATL will get real senior.

 

[General Lee]

Lets just see what plans they actually pull the triggers on. If it is anything close to this, ATL will get real senior.

I figured that. CVG will also get senior when they dump the ER time. I see mass evacuations out of DTW, and maybe a small amount out of MSP, but it seems those MN people love it up there. I bet the AUG bid in 2010 will be a real disrupter too.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[nwaf16dude]

I live in SC, and have been considering bidding in to ATL, but I've pretty much decided to stay in DTW. It's really not that bad of a commute as long as you're not on reserve. I think my relative seniority is going to skyrocket there compared to what it would do in ATL.

 

[General Lee]

I keep hearing numbers like 800 NWA guys live in FLA, and a few hundred in the ATL area also. For those guys living in FLA, DAL-S also has hundreds of pilots living there who commute to ATL, and most of the time the choices are DL and Airtran, and maybe even an RJ on DL. I think many have changed to JFK as a base since JB and others fly almost hourly up there. It will be interesting, no doubt.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I figured that. CVG will also get senior when they dump the ER time. I see mass evacuations out of DTW, and maybe a small amount out of MSP, but it seems those MN people love it up there. I bet the AUG bid in 2010 will be a real disrupter too.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Things can change, but it sounded like they are keeping the ER time in CVG until at least the AUG 2010 bid.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I live in SC, and have been considering bidding in to ATL, but I've pretty much decided to stay in DTW. It's really not that bad of a commute as long as you're not on reserve. I think my relative seniority is going to skyrocket there compared to what it would do in ATL.

I agree, and am looking at the jets in MSP and DTW. It would mean a commute, but it it is better than sitting reserve on the 88 in ATL. That is one brutal position to be in. I know I am in the minority, but I would prefer to commute to a 320 line than a 70 hr reserve line where I fly 69.5 hrs over 18 days.

 

[nwaf16dude]

I'm still watching it from my last month of mil leave, but it looks like guys around my seniority (10600ish) are getting 75+ hour blocks with 16-17 days off in DTW and MSP. I'd probably lose a couple more days to the commute, but that sounds pretty reasonable.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Here are the pilot numbers by state.

Premeger DAL
2345 in GA
597 in FL

Premerger NWA
76 in GA
342 in FL
10 in AL
215 in TN
112 in OH
72 in NC
29 KY
27 SC
20 in LA

 

[ACL65PILOT]

I'm still watching it from my last month of mil leave, but it looks like guys around my seniority (10600ish) are getting 75+ hour blocks with 16-17 days off in DTW and MSP. I'd probably lose a couple more days to the commute, but that sounds pretty reasonable.

That is on the 320 correct?

 

[nwaf16dude]

Yes, A320. I think MSP is actually a little less senior on the 320, but I haven't really paid too close attention to msp because it's a much harder commute for me.

 

[Superpilot92]

I keep hearing numbers like 800 NWA guys live in FLA, and a few hundred in the ATL area also. For those guys living in FLA, DAL-S also has hundreds of pilots living there who commute to ATL, and most of the time the choices are DL and Airtran, and maybe even an RJ on DL. I think many have changed to JFK as a base since JB and others fly almost hourly up there. It will be interesting, no doubt.

Bye Bye--General Lee

Per the DAL 44 demographics update there is only 342 DAL-N pilots that live in FL and 76 in GA

DAL-S has 597 pilots that live in FLA and 2345 pilots that live in GA.

FWIW