Delta, Hire Some Minorities

[Soverytired]

So .1% of DAL pilots are black. What is the percentage of women and other minority pilots?

I have no dog in this fight. But these sorts of suits are usually either shakedowns for money or false outrage and pushes for equality of results, not basic fairness.

• How many "minorities" and women applied?
• What percentage of their groups were hired compared to the percentage of candidates that belonged to another group? I.E. if 10 white guys interviewed and one was hired vs. 10 women and 1 was hired, is that "fair"?
• What percentage of the pilot group at regionals and/or military are minorities or women?

That last is especially telling. The qualified talent pool drawn from the regionals and military is vastly white and male. The simple fact of the matter is that this may be a job that only appeals to certain types of people.

Wouldn't it make just as much sense to say that the regionals and the military are racist and sexist as well? (and as completely bogus)

 

[buckeyes95]

How about hiring THE most qualified applicants, not hiring just to reach a "goal", as the Reverend states. Isn't that what the sports leagues do, take the best of the best? Funny you never hear these civil rights groups complain about that. Maybe the NBA, NFL, etc should have "goals" also.

 

[GuppyPuppy]

How about hiring THE most qualified applicants, not hiring just to reach a "goal", as the Reverend states. Isn't that what the sports leagues do, take the best of the best? Funny you never hear these civil rights groups complain about that. Maybe the NBA, NFL, etc should have "goals" also.

I think the NHL needs to be sued. There are way too few professional hockey players of color. We also need more women in hockey.

My guess is that this will turn into another 350 response thread. Instead of continuing, I'll just refer you all to this thread.

http://forums.flightinfo.com/showthread.php?t=108853&highlight=obap

GP

 

[71driver]

And on Friday they discovered that the NBA's black-player population was 77 percent, while the white-player population was 21 percent. Of the white players, 55 percent were American-born and 45 percent were international players.

Until we see more whites in basketball and football the reverend can stuff it, hiring blacks just to hire blacks is wrong and that goes for women too, if you have the experience interview well then you get the job, otherwise it is reverse discrimination. As a side note there is no majority race in California and bye ( I believe) 2024 there will be no majority race period, so so I guess affirmitive action will apply to whites as well

Bye the way, to become a Reverend is that done through the mail??

 

[mayoplane]

You are right!

They should definitely hire people because of their qualification. I agree that people should not get hired because they are MILLITARY, black, women, purple, whateva.

They should not get turned down because they're black, Asian, women, Indian...whatever either. The interviewers can always pick on something little and turn people down. Why did someone get turned down? Who really knows!

Some of the highly qualified people with a lot of flight time are black, women, white, men, everybody. ....but they still do have to fit in the 'Delta image' whether you want to believe that or not. Remember, these are the people who will not share the hotel van with other pilot group. So...Good luck everyone!

.....I wonder how 'the ratio' is at SWA, CAL, Blue.... Just curious.

 

[Flash]

What about lack of whites working the gates and ramp in Atl? Are they making an effort to recruit qualified caucasians to work these positions?

 

[flyn96]

They should definitely hire people because of their qualification. I agree that people should not get hired because they are MILLITARY, black, women, purple, whateva.

They should not get turned down because they're black, Asian, women, Indian...whatever either. The interviewers can always pick on something little and turn people down. Why did someone get turned down? Who really knows!

Some of the highly qualified people with a lot of flight time are black, women, white, men, everybody. ....but they still do have to fit in the 'Delta image' whether you want to believe that or not. Remember, these are the people who will not share the hotel van with other pilot group. So...Good luck everyone!

.....I wonder how 'the ratio' is at SWA, CAL, Blue.... Just curious.

Just for the record, every, EVERY, black pilot (20+) at my company is now working at CAL, only one was a Captain, and the remainder were all FO's. Glad to see CAL was hiring "the most qualified", (FO's that is) and turning away scores of Captains.

 

[pipe]

Umm, not really. We're monopolizing the WIA pool, but not the other minorities. Honestly, I'd be surprised if even 1% of our pilot group was black.

Nowhere in my post nor in the article did anyone say anything about pilots or pilot groups.

PIPE

 

[brian041102]

What about lack of whites working the gates and ramp in Atl? Are they making an effort to recruit qualified caucasians to work these positions?

Great post! I can't stand the fact that you have to hire someone of color that is less qualified because you might piss off someone. How many black pilots are there in general? Should they all have jobs because of color or because they are skilled experienced pilots. Why can't affirmative action work both ways? I think I want to play in the NBA now. Its crazy to imply that Delta is racist when you only have a small number of black commercial pilots. The Atlanta ramp however is a different story.

 

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[jetjockey#1]

In ATL, most of the Delta pilots you see are Caucasian male. Do you really think Delta only hires the 'qualified'? Maybe 'qualified caucasian male'.

I don't mean to offend anyone, and I am sorry if I did. My friend who got hired there last year said they had 33 people in a class, and only one of them had darker-skin color...maybe hispanic.

My other friend who actually works there, and who is African said that is one thing you will notice in the pilot group.....very little minority pilots.

Delta looks for a certain image. If you don't fit their image of a pilot, you won't get hired regardless of your experience level. You can deny that all you want. Just look around. Very sad but true.

Summer 07, class of 28, 10 minorities, 6 women, 2 Hispanics, one asian, and one black.The 18 whities had at least 1000 PIC turbine everyone of them, out of the 10 minorities, 5 of them had no PIC, sic turbo prop/jet. Also 2 of the minorities did not have an ATP, they figure they would get it when DAL types them....
DAL is making a huge effort to diversify their workforce. Unfortunately, once in a while they hire one who has no business being here. SIC J32, 1700TT, going to the ER, never seen an FMS, never flown a jet...... and then she wonders why is it so hard????????

 

[av8tor4239]

What about lack of whites working the gates and ramp in Atl? Are they making an effort to recruit qualified caucasians to work these positions?

First of all.. white people ARE THE MINORITY IN ATLANTA.

Hartsfield has a contract with the city of Atlanta welfare office. In order to get your welfare check you have to apply for a job. The jobs the welfare office sends their applicants to are alll the concessions in the Atlanta Hartsfield airport. This is no BS.. Think about it.. there is a 24/7 demand for a food and you are stuck inside of security.. you have to eat and therefore the concessions do not have to supply any service, and they can charge disgusting amounts of money for crappy food.

I dont think I have every seen a white person working at a concession vendor in ATL ever... I have never seen a white janator in ATL... I have been operating out of ATL for 7 years.

This is racist as hell.. I think that we should petition the city to set quotas to allow white people to have jobs at the airport.... Come on "REVEREND" (joke) it is a two way street

 

[Lear70]

Summer 07, class of 28, 10 minorities, 6 women, 2 Hispanics, one asian, and one black.The 18 whities had at least 1000 PIC turbine everyone of them, out of the 10 minorities, 5 of them had no PIC, sic turbo prop/jet. Also 2 of the minorities did not have an ATP, they figure they would get it when DAL types them....
DAL is making a huge effort to diversify their workforce. Unfortunately, once in a while they hire one who has no business being here. SIC J32, 1700TT, going to the ER, never seen an FMS, never flown a jet...... and then she wonders why is it so hard????????

Case in point...

So sick of this B.S. Quotas are so insanely stupid, especially in a safety-sensitive position.

One of my pet peeves.

 

[nimtz]

I don't plan to vote for Obama, but I love the fact he doesn't embrace clowns like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton. In other words the idiots that make this kind of cr@p a press release. I believe a lot of the post civil rights blacks are out to achieve success on merit. More and more it seems these people don't use their skin color as some kind of universal excuse for not putting in the efforts it takes to succeed. That's just the garbage these activist groups are spraying here. The corruption and hypocrisy of groups like The Rainbow Coalition never ceases to amaze me.

 

[Noserider76]

They should definitely hire people because of their qualification. I agree that people should not get hired because they are MILLITARY, black, women, purple, whateva.

They should not get turned down because they're black, Asian, women, Indian...whatever either. The interviewers can always pick on something little and turn people down. Why did someone get turned down? Who really knows!

Some of the highly qualified people with a lot of flight time are black, women, white, men, everybody. ....but they still do have to fit in the 'Delta image' whether you want to believe that or not. Remember, these are the people who will not share the hotel van with other pilot group. So...Good luck everyone!

.....I wonder how 'the ratio' is at SWA, CAL, Blue.... Just curious.

Fortunately the airlines know that not all training and flight time is equal. There's no Delta image that an applicant has to meet. They want the best qualified people with the best training that they can hire. That's the way it should be.

 

[Fly-n-hi]

I don't plan to vote for Obama, but I love the fact he doesn't embrace clowns like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

No...he only embraces bigots like Jeramiah Wright. I'll bet my next paycheck that he confides with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson behind the scenes.

 

[IAHERJ]

No...he only embraces bigots like Jeramiah Wright. I'll bet my next paycheck that he confides with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson behind the scenes.

I know what you are saying but I disagree. Obama doesn't identify with the "black" culture down South. Heck, he was raised by a white mother and an absent "father". He spent a good deal of his time growing up abroad where he attended private schools before going to an Ivy League school and then law school. I think he does what he has to do to keep the "black" vote. Like other successful black leaders, the plight of blacks in this country and the "culture" they represent angers him more than the average "white" person. Having not had the opportunity to walk in his(or any other black man's) shoes, I can only speculate as to his feelings about people of his color in this country. My point is that I don't think he is going to let the current crop of black "leaders"(most black people I know don't want jesse jackson representing them) dictate policy should he become president.

IAHERJ

 

[Oakum_Boy]

I don't plan to vote for Obama, but I love the fact he doesn't embrace clowns like Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton.

Check this

And this

 

[skiandsurf]

My other friend who actually works there, and who is African said that is one thing you will notice in the pilot group.....very little minority pilots.

Your African friend, what tribe is he from? Does he speak english, or his tribal dialect?

 

[skiandsurf]

How about if Delta hires the most qualified people regardless of color?

I think we all agree that that would be alot smarter.

I hate to be the spell checker, but I thought it was funny to mispell a word when you are using the word smart.