Delta, Hire Some Minorities

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Coming do a Delta Pilot Application in your neighborhood soon:

Minimum requirements:

The absolute bare minimum allowed by law!

But I gotta tell ya, the pilot groups in this country have gone out of their way to lower the compensation bar pretty significantly...

No reason to think a company won't lower bar either!
 

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Anytime the liberals start whining about diversity, if you're a white male, you're going to be discriminated against. And it's legal. Consent decrees, affirmative action (aka racial preferences), quotas, different qualification tests, etc. And there ain't nothing you can do. And if you think it's bad now, if Obama gets elected (shudder) you ain't seen nothing yet.

Preferential hiring has been going on for years and is not going to die anytime soon so quite b****ing.
Any form of preferential hiring is wrong as all candidates should be hired purely on merit, right? This means no matter what your race, gender, creed, color or who you know/who your daddy is.

Ooops, the last one would involve over half the people on this board so get over it. Minorities account for less than 2% of the flight decks in this country so again, get over it.
 

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50% of statistics are made up on the spot (yes, that was just made up). Show us data from a recognized and respected institution that states your 2% stat.

Once we have data that shows what percentage of active commercial pilots are women/minority, we can conclusively prove whether newhire classes represent the makeup of the hiring pool. Current seniority list bias is due to less women/minorities in past decades applying for these jobs.

As far as nepotism...get over it. It has existed since the dawn of man. Through networking you can do just as well as some kid who has daddy working for xyz airline.
 

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Preferential hiring has been going on for years and is not going to die anytime soon so quite b****ing.
Any form of preferential hiring is wrong as all candidates should be hired purely on merit, right? This means no matter what your race, gender, creed, color or who you know/who your daddy is.

Ooops, the last one would involve over half the people on this board so get over it. Minorities account for less than 2% of the flight decks in this country so again, get over it.

"quite bitching???? Doesn't really matter until they take YOUR dream job, now does it, Cornbread?

I am not about giving anything I have earned to anyone who has not equally earned it!
 

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Reading these postings made me a have a good laugh. What is funny when people start talking about affirmative action and preferential hiring they always end up at reverse discrimination. These same people are assuming every white male or white person that gets hired at a major airline is qualified. Come on gentlemen, white males have been getting hired on at the airlines utilizing the "good old boy program" without being "qualified" for years and GOOD FOR THEM. I know guys(white males) at major airlines without degrees but I don't see any of you guys bitching about them not being qualified. Here's the thing, I don't want ANYONE next to me in the cockpit who does not have the appropriate qualifications no matter what they look like but let's not have this debate and act as if just because the person is a white male occupying the seat he got that positon because he was qualified. A lot of these guys get hired because Daddy was/is a captain at XYZ Major airline. According to airlinepilotcentral.com Delta has 7,398 pilots and 1% are black. Let's say in all 5%(just a guess) are minority..........I think you are getting my point. Don't worry guys 5% isn't going to infringe at all on the country club. And by the way who the hell wants to work for Delta anyway.
 

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Again, 92% of all statistics are made up on the spot (yes, that number was made up). How many active commercial pilots are women/minorities? I don't like having silver spoon, daddy's boy/girl hired without an ATP and only 1500TT. I agree they aren't qualified.

This isn't about the "country club". This is about having a larger percentage of newhires that are women/minorities than there is in the active commercial pilot pool. If the current hiring trends indicate that there is a larger percentage of women/minorities in newhire classes vs. percentage of active commercial pilots, that is clear discrimination. It takes a long time to homogenize a mixture that starts as white male as the airline profession is. The only way to create the "ideal" racial/gender balance is to introduce a larger portion of the other ingredient at a faster rate than you are adding the white male ingredient. In order to do that, you have to bias the amount of the secondary ingredients. Bias in other words can be described as discrimination.

If discrimination is so wrong...why does it feel so good for the affirmative action camp?
 

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"quite bitching???? Doesn't really matter until they take YOUR dream job, now does it, Cornbread?

I am not about giving anything I have earned to anyone who has not equally earned it!

When you say they exactly whom are you talking about, minorities or the larger group that got in from other preferential hiring methods. If you want to do away with preferential hiring then do away with ALL of it. The who you know in HR or on-line, gone. Daddy is a check airman, gone. For years if you weren't military your chances were cut less than half of getting on. (Note: not a swip at military personel just making a point).

You can't say the part of preferential hiring that hurts me sucks but the part that works for me is great. If you want to be judged purely on merits then do that and that ONLY or get off your soap box.
 
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I'll tell you what...If I ever start an airline I will hire whoever I damn well please.

You don't like it? Tough. Go start your own company and you can hire who you want...but don't tell me or anyone else who we have to hire. Got it? Good.

The more government meddles in our lives the worse off we are. The founding fathers must be rolling in their graves right now. Funny thing is...they warned us.
 

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"quite bitching???? Doesn't really matter until they take YOUR dream job, now does it, Cornbread?

Bet you tell all the 13 year old mall chicks you meet that you're a REAL pilot!;)
Still wearing that pilot uniform to the supermarket?
What a troll!
I am not about giving anything I have earned to anyone who has not equally earned it!
Unless it incorporates $5, and is in a dark street alley!:blush: :laugh:
Speaking of which, when I left your trailer this morning your mom said for you to tail it home!

737
 

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Nice...

Bet you tell all the 13 year old mall chicks you meet that you're a REAL pilot!;)
Still wearing that pilot uniform to the supermarket?
What a troll!

Unless it incorporates $5, and is in a dark street alley!:blush: :laugh:
Speaking of which, when I left your trailer this morning your mom said for you to tail it home!

737

Nice, General....

I can keep impressing all the mall chicks, and you just keep impressing people who converse in "retard" rather than the English language..

Those insults still need some work, champ. "Unless it incorporates $5 and is in a dark street alley." This is simply unintelligible.... No one on the planet understands what you are getting at....

The trailer remark is also complete babble. You really need some tutoring in constructing insults, General.... The babbling gibberish you included in this and most of your other posts is just plain sad.

-Maybe you and Instructordude can team up-perhaps you will be able to come up with some kind of "retard synergy" and perhaps as a team, you could one day actually construct an actual insult capable of making a 4th grader chuckle.

-Until then, try not to drool on your tie too much....

-HUGS!
 

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Jmoney,

After reading your tag and signature closely, I have come to the conclusion that your maoi meds aren't working.

napalm sticks to kids is just sick....
 

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Funny...

Don't care-

I still think it is funny.....

-Maybe I am a total bastard..... Figure if I'm gonna be a bastard, why do it half-ass? Just go for the full meal deal!

-Yep-Guilty as charged! I'm a complete, total, pain-in the-butt Bastard...... Taking a bow....
 

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Wasn't meant to be funny, you really need therapy or stronger meds. That statement is sick...

As far as being a SOB, at least your honest about it...
 

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Don't care-

I still think it is funny.....
Most retards do. Sorry to any retards that were offended by that statement.
-Maybe I am a total bastard.....
Now you're on to something....Your dad would agree!

Figure if I'm gonna be a bastard, why do it half-ass? Just go for the full meal deal!
I'm sure your boyfriend would agree! I bet you do many full asses!

-Yep-Guilty as charged! I'm a complete, total, pain-in the-butt Bastard......
Especially to your "man" love!
Taking a bow....
I'm sure you do that quite a bit! Maybe time for some extra padded knee pads. Your mom has plenty!

737
 

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Simmer down now....Everyone just simmer down.

When is the last time you have flown with a minority at a major????? I work at the Tranny and have NEVER flow with an African American....Let me say that again....FREAKING NEVER.....And I'm coming up on three years.

Being a white dude looking in on what OBAP and others are saying in the minority community is: "hey we need to increase mentoring programs/scholarship programs to increase the flow of minorities into the field. We do not want to give unfair advantages to minorities. As a white person you can go to OBAP or WIA and be treated as an equal. You can even apply for Scholarships at those places and be treated just as if you were black at OBAP or as a woman at WIA. The NAACP has given out scholarships to whites.

How do I know this you ask???? I went to OBAP and got an interview from one of their job fairs. No one blinked twice with me there.
 

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I am afraid to make an input to this trend. It has so much emotion and I may offend both blacks and whites with the truth.

I am black and I do feel 100% that Delta is one of the greatest Airline anyone black or white can get employed at. They hire the very best candidates out there and also give incredible recognition to both OBAP and WIA. But they do not go overboard with the process and seek for quality and excellence in their candidates.

Sincerely the white race is far ahead of most other races in the world. They are the most civilized to each other and lead the way in social order and a better living standard for humanity.

Blacks and many other races would not like to agree to this simple truth. But you only have to look at South Africans killing other blacks from neighboring countries to see that we do need to work on our understanding and fairness to mankind in Africa. We can not blame those events on a white conspiracy. The events going on right now in South Africa represents the lowest level of this debate we are having. The blacks in the South African townships feel that the poorer blacks pushed out of Zimbabwe by a tyrant Mugabe are taking their jobs and they gang up and kill them in a very brutal fashion. That is a shame to us blacks. It is also an eye opener to whites to love the system they have which allows us to debate very strongly our feelings but never resort to insanity. It is the American way.

America even though we argue amoung ourselves leads the way in racial intergration. America sets the standard for world and for that we must give credit also to whites for they reached out to meet blacks halfway in creating this bueatiful reality. It was a struggle but we have made great progress.

I know that if I went to the most white area and got jumped by a group of white guys trying to harm me. I have no doubt that they would be many voices of reason that will come to my aid and many that would put their life on the line to protect me.

I know there are many blacks who would give their life for a white mate and would never allow any harm come to a white person.

We both have our fair share of animals but in the USA we do need to give more credit to ourselves for our progress in race relations.

We as blacks have a lot of work to do developing our race. The effects of slavery, racism and aparthied take years to clean up. But we blacks ultimately hold our future in our hands. We have to work double hard to catch up with the rest of the world. We have many freinds in our struggle. White employers who hire a black person even though they realize they may have to give him extra training. He may end up becoming a symbol and a bridge that overcomes the blindness and lack of understanding by blacks of the good life that exist on the whitemans side of the fence. He passes on the knowledge of the offer of freindship by whites to his community and that one guy may change an entire community perception of white people. We must work harder at doing this in our black community because Ignorance leads to fear and that leads to hatred. Most black people are scared to be labeled as loving whites. I have had many incredible white freinds!!


I dare to argue that affirmative action has brought us some great gains and some excellent individuals. General Powell, Condi Rice and the supreme court Judge Thomas all benefited from affirmative action. They went on to proof themselves to be deserving of the support they got to enter those great institutions like West point etc.

In Aviation things are slightly diffrent and we need qualified pilots. The required qualification is mostly I would say determined by the content of your character. It is the true perequisite for success.

We in our black community must thrive to educate our people to the highest standard. We have to catch up with the rest of the world and not every white man is going to want to be involved in the nitty gritty of the process but I do believe they wish us the very best and many many of them are ready to go the extra mile.

At our level as Airline pilots we are educated and knowledgable. We should also realise that this is bigger than us. America motivates the world and continues to set the standards.
When you see the representation of America it is the truest form of a rainbow country.
Asain, Spanish, white,black, indian etc and when you ask them " where are you from?)
The Answer is very simple.
We are Americans!!

Also I would tell you personally most blacks who make it to a major are extremely well qualified. They are the exceptions like everything in life but those either lose their jobs or come up to speed.
We all must not place the exceptions on a pedestal and we must be encouraged by the kindness of the majority that have created this bueatiful country and continue to work to improve our world and remain an example to humanity.

I would also like to commend whites for making Obama the DNC candidate. That is historic and even if he does not win it is okey. It is still an amazing compliment to the American people and shows their level of racial development. I also believe the best candidate should win and the will of the American people should be the judge. I do not believe Obama should win because he is black but only if he is considered the better candidate.

I am lazy with spelling and grammer. My spell checker does not work.

We have blacks at Airtran and I got turned down by them it was not because I was black it was because I did not interveiw well and also did not impress them enough. I also simply may not have met their expectations at that time and was invited to apply in six months. I feel it is an excellent company with some awesome people. I jumpseat on them quite a bit and it is just totally an enjoyable expereince.
 
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I am afraid to make an input to this trend. It has so much emotion and I may offend both blacks and whites with the truth.

I am black and I do feel 100% that Delta is one of the greatest Airline anyone black or white can get employed at. They hire the very best candidates out there and also give incredible recognition to both OBAP and WIA. But they do not go overboard with the process and seek for quality and excellence in their candidates.

Sincerely the white race is far ahead of most other races in the world. They are the most civilized to each other and lead the way in social order and a better living standard for humanity.

Blacks and many other races would not like to agree to this simple truth. But you only have to look at South Africans killing other blacks from neighboring countries to see that we do need to work on our understanding and fairness to mankind in Africa. We can not blame those events on a white conspiracy. The events going on right now in South Africa represents the lowest level of this debate we are having. The blacks in the South African townships feel that the poorer blacks pushed out of Zimbabwe by a tyrant Mugabe are taking their jobs and they gang up and kill them in a very brutal fashion. That is a shame to us blacks. It is also an eye opener to whites to love the system they have which allows us to debate very strongly our feelings but never resort to insanity. It is the American way.

America even though we argue amoung ourselves leads the way in racial intergration. America sets the standard for world and for that we must give credit also to whites for they reached out to meet blacks halfway in creating this bueatiful reality. It was a struggle but we have made great progress.

I know that if I went to the most white area and got jumped by a group of white guys trying to harm me. I have no doubt that they would be many voices of reason that will come to my aid and many that would put their life on the line to protect me.

I know there are many blacks who would give their life for a white mate and would never allow any harm come to a white person.

We both have our fair share of animals but in the USA we do need to give more credit to ourselves for our progress in race relations.

We as blacks have a lot of work to do developing our race. The effects of slavery, racism and aparthied take years to clean up. But we blacks ultimately hold our future in our hands. We have to work double hard to catch up with the rest of the world. We have many freinds in our struggle. White employers who hire a black person even though they realize they may have to give him extra training. He may end up becoming a symbol and a bridge that overcomes the blindness and lack of understanding by blacks of the good life that exist on the whitemans side of the fence. He passes on the knowledge of the offer of freindship by whites to his community and that one guy may change an entire community perception of white people. We must work harder at doing this in our black community because Ignorance leads to fear and that leads to hatred. Most black people are scared to be labeled as loving whites. I have had many incredible white freinds!!


I dare to argue that affirmative action has brought us some great gains and some excellent individuals. General Powell, Condi Rice and the supreme court Judge Thomas all benefited from affirmative action. They went on to proof themselves to be deserving of the support they got to enter those great institutions like West point etc.

In Aviation things are slightly diffrent and we need qualified pilots. The required qualification is mostly I would say determined by the content of your character. It is the true perequisite for success.

We in our black community must thrive to educate our people to the highest standard. We have to catch up with the rest of the world and not every white man is going to want to be involved in the nitty gritty of the process but I do believe they wish us the very best and many many of them are ready to go the extra mile.

At our level as Airline pilots we are educated and knowledgable. We should also realise that this is bigger than us. America motivates the world and continues to set the standards.
When you see the representation of America it is the truest form of a rainbow country.
Asain, Spanish, white,black, indian etc and when you ask them " where are you from?)
The Answer is very simple.
We are Americans!!

Also I would tell you personally most blacks who make it to a major are extremely well qualified. They are the exceptions like everything in life but those either lose their jobs or come up to speed.
We all must not place the exceptions on a pedestal and we must be encouraged by the kindness of the majority that have created this bueatiful country and continue to work to improve our world and remain an example to humanity.

I would also like to commend whites for making Obama the DNC candidate. That is historic and even if he does not win it is okey. It is still an amazing compliment to the American people and shows their level of racial development. I also believe the best candidate should win and the will of the American people should be the judge. I do not believe Obama should win because he is black but only if he is considered the better candidate.

I am lazy with spelling and grammer. My spell checker does not work.

We have blacks at Airtran and I got turned down by them it was not because I was black it was because I did not interveiw well and also did not impress them enough. I also simply may not have met their expectations at that time and was invited to apply in six months. I feel it is an excellent company with some awesome people. I jumpseat on them quite a bit and it is just totally an enjoyable expereince.

Colon Powell did not use affirmative action to get where he is just the military and a very exceptional work ethic I read his biography a very good read.


United hired quite a few blacks in the late 1990's and other minorities and I can tell you most of them weren't well qualified but United needed to meet a quota.

Other than that a nice message
 

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I am afraid to make an input to this trend. It has so much emotion and I may offend both blacks and whites with the truth.

I am black and I do feel 100% that Delta is one of the greatest Airline anyone black or white can get employed at. They hire the very best candidates out there and also give incredible recognition to both OBAP and WIA. But they do not go overboard with the process and seek for quality and excellence in their candidates.

Sincerely the white race is far ahead of most other races in the world. They are the most civilized to each other and lead the way in social order and a better living standard for humanity.

Blacks and many other races would not like to agree to this simple truth. But you only have to look at South Africans killing other blacks from neighboring countries to see that we do need to work on our understanding and fairness to mankind in Africa. We can not blame those events on a white conspiracy. The events going on right now in South Africa represents the lowest level of this debate we are having. The blacks in the South African townships feel that the poorer blacks pushed out of Zimbabwe by a tyrant Mugabe are taking their jobs and they gang up and kill them in a very brutal fashion. That is a shame to us blacks. It is also an eye opener to whites to love the system they have which allows us to debate very strongly our feelings but never resort to insanity. It is the American way.

America even though we argue amoung ourselves leads the way in racial intergration. America sets the standard for world and for that we must give credit also to whites for they reached out to meet blacks halfway in creating this bueatiful reality. It was a struggle but we have made great progress.

I know that if I went to the most white area and got jumped by a group of white guys trying to harm me. I have no doubt that they would be many voices of reason that will come to my aid and many that would put their life on the line to protect me.

I know there are many blacks who would give their life for a white mate and would never allow any harm come to a white person.

We both have our fair share of animals but in the USA we do need to give more credit to ourselves for our progress in race relations.

We as blacks have a lot of work to do developing our race. The effects of slavery, racism and aparthied take years to clean up. But we blacks ultimately hold our future in our hands. We have to work double hard to catch up with the rest of the world. We have many freinds in our struggle. White employers who hire a black person even though they realize they may have to give him extra training. He may end up becoming a symbol and a bridge that overcomes the blindness and lack of understanding by blacks of the good life that exist on the whitemans side of the fence. He passes on the knowledge of the offer of freindship by whites to his community and that one guy may change an entire community perception of white people. We must work harder at doing this in our black community because Ignorance leads to fear and that leads to hatred. Most black people are scared to be labeled as loving whites. I have had many incredible white freinds!!


I dare to argue that affirmative action has brought us some great gains and some excellent individuals. General Powell, Condi Rice and the supreme court Judge Thomas all benefited from affirmative action. They went on to proof themselves to be deserving of the support they got to enter those great institutions like West point etc.

In Aviation things are slightly diffrent and we need qualified pilots. The required qualification is mostly I would say determined by the content of your character. It is the true perequisite for success.

We in our black community must thrive to educate our people to the highest standard. We have to catch up with the rest of the world and not every white man is going to want to be involved in the nitty gritty of the process but I do believe they wish us the very best and many many of them are ready to go the extra mile.

At our level as Airline pilots we are educated and knowledgable. We should also realise that this is bigger than us. America motivates the world and continues to set the standards.
When you see the representation of America it is the truest form of a rainbow country.
Asain, Spanish, white,black, indian etc and when you ask them " where are you from?)
The Answer is very simple.
We are Americans!!

Also I would tell you personally most blacks who make it to a major are extremely well qualified. They are the exceptions like everything in life but those either lose their jobs or come up to speed.
We all must not place the exceptions on a pedestal and we must be encouraged by the kindness of the majority that have created this bueatiful country and continue to work to improve our world and remain an example to humanity.

I would also like to commend whites for making Obama the DNC candidate. That is historic and even if he does not win it is okey. It is still an amazing compliment to the American people and shows their level of racial development. I also believe the best candidate should win and the will of the American people should be the judge. I do not believe Obama should win because he is black but only if he is considered the better candidate.

I am lazy with spelling and grammer. My spell checker does not work.

We have blacks at Airtran and I got turned down by them it was not because I was black it was because I did not interveiw well and also did not impress them enough. I also simply may not have met their expectations at that time and was invited to apply in six months. I feel it is an excellent company with some awesome people. I jumpseat on them quite a bit and it is just totally an enjoyable expereince.

On my god (insert valley girl accent here) THat was pure comedy there isn't a chance in He!! that your black. And if by some miracle you are, you do no have any clue to South African history and to why the killing is going on.

And to the rest of you, FACT: there never were Quotas that were law in the corporate world.....United did what they did on their own volition. In other words they made their own quotas someone should have stepped up to the plate and sued them. CAL another one that needs to be sued .....EVERYONE is EOE.
 

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When this is fought or refuted you will see that DAL goes out of their way to hire the most qualified minorities. They have always hired "qualified" people. They have programs that help these pilots. Ever hear of OBAP or WIA. They do a great job with these two programs.

Delta does not hire the most "qualified" pilots from these programs. A 2500 hour 121 pilot with no PIC is not as qualified as an 8000 hour 121 pilot with 5000 PIC. Why should they have a hiring priority? Build your time and experience like everyone else.
 
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