Delta has mid contract improvement TA

[Muskycat]

Yeah but we have standup overnights I hear now.....oh joy!!

You'll have to be senior to hold them. 6hours of rest, not much but 7.5 hours of pay. They won't go junior. So fly under 2 hours each way and get paid 7.5

 

[nonstop]

Wait. CDO's are on the table for Delta?

Combine that with Redeye's and 4 days that pay 21.

Delta 4 days pay as little as 18:OO. But we get to wear hats.

 

[scarlet]

SWA 19:50 TFP for 3 day...4 day at SWA min pay is 26 TFP

CDOs are just like INTL, not great for the body!

CDOS usually 3 on 2 off?

 

[dbrownie]

CDOs suck....

I did them a lot as a newhire. DTW -FNT or DTW- SBN or LAN were fine...

But we had them to EWR and as far away as DFW!

The long ones were unsafe in my opinion.
If they had limits on leg length for example maybe a consideration.

Db

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I came from a regional too, and I can tell you that standups aren't that bad if they're scheduled right. At ASA, standups were, and still are the most senior lines. Very popular with moms who stay home during the day with the kids, then work at night. also people who have a side business. as said above, most people hate them, some that's all they will do.

We really shouldn't complain about this though. With the arrival of the 717s we're taking back more and more flying from the regionals. This is a big part of what they do. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Either we take this flying in house, or we let them keep it. We can't just contract out what we find undesirable, that's what got us in the RJ mess to begin with.

 

[titans10]

We are flying to those cities already. I have done TYS, JAN, cae, and down the list. The will make a lot of our overnights CDO. Cities like chs, jax, Gso,, anything within the 2-2:15 block to block. Why are we surprose to concede anything? Next the we better take a pay cut because that is what the regionals make.

 

[Freebrd]

One of the negatives with CDOs is having maintenance or waiting for a late plane for you to fly your flight. You're still on duty so you can depart anytime. Say you're scheduled out at 2100, have maintenance and depart at 0100. Get to your destination at 0200, hotel at 0230, right back up at around 0430-45 and duty-in at say 0530. If that happens two nights in a row, watch out.

 

[Whydoitry]

Don't you guys do red eyes? I'll take a stand up over a red eye anytime.

 

[dalad]

The fact that this was in FAR 117 makes the whole reg laughable, including the max 16 hour FDP. The MEC needs to send this back. Or we need Memrat to send it back.

 

[Mikes Apartment]

I came from a regional too, and I can tell you that standups aren't that bad if they're scheduled right. At ASA, standups were, and still are the most senior lines. Very popular with moms who stay home during the day with the kids, then work at night. also people who have a side business. as said above, most people hate them, some that's all they will do.

We really shouldn't complain about this though. With the arrival of the 717s we're taking back more and more flying from the regionals. This is a big part of what they do. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Either we take this flying in house, or we let them keep it. We can't just contract out what we find undesirable, that's what got us in the RJ mess to begin with.

You're an idiot. We take our flying back and we do it safely period. Delta is printing money right now and you think we should make concessions? These will not go senior. Rest can be reduced to 3 hours and block can be up to 2 hours. That's any Florida airport from/to ATL. Block ATL-MIA 1:54.
What I'm hearing from my friends from ASA these were not senior at all and they will go to junior Delta pilots on all narrowbody fleets.
ALPAs slogan is "Schedule with Safety" WTF? How is this anything but a huge step backwards in safety at DAL?