Delta has mid contract improvement TA

[titans10]

With an early check in and late check out you can pay for one room for the three cdos.

Goodie.
Right now I pay for none. Due to the fact I hold commutable lines.

 

[tailhookah]

Good input guys. I'll wait until I see the restrictions on them during the road shows before I make anymore comments. Under the right constraints I would be fine with them. We'll have to wait and see the details I guess.

tail

 

[Quack]

I may get shot for saying this, but if the cdo's are short, you live in base, and they're gonna pay 7:30, I'd say sign me up!

 

[Crash Pad]

From my regional career.

ATL-HSV-DCA 6 hours ATL: That was at ASA in Delta paint.

They go junior, except for a couple guys who enjoy zero adult supervision. You know: no tie, Northface pullover, unshaven, packing a toiletry pack and some cigarettes. Couldn't tell you a single memo in the last ten years, has no idea that you are in contract talks, and is pissed to discover the jepps are missing because of "some BS EFB no one told me about".

Reserve is a real treat. The old two day followed by a standup. The AM reserve call at 3AM to put you to rest for an 8PM show. Classic.

They are dangerous. Sure you may have someone awake 90% of the time but a fire in the cabin on the way out of Montreal would have been a death sentence. A V1 cut on a delayed JAX would be questionable.

By all means go for it. Remember "they will only use 50 seaters on short hall stuff and we have iron clad language"!

 

[redflyer65]

Wait. CDO's are on the table for Delta?

Combine that with Redeye's and 4 days that pay 21, I have to say that doesn't look too appealing (I know Genny's sundae makes up for a lot of this)

I've done CDO's in the past and they suck. Crashpad is right, they typically go junior because of what they do to your body. I've only come across one guy that liked them. He liked to play golf everyday and just stayed awake most of the day. Not sure how well he'd do in an emergency like Crash stated. I find them less than safe.

 

[Muskycat]

Yeah but we have standup overnights I hear now.....oh joy!!

You'll have to be senior to hold them. 6hours of rest, not much but 7.5 hours of pay. They won't go junior. So fly under 2 hours each way and get paid 7.5

 

[nonstop]

Wait. CDO's are on the table for Delta?

Combine that with Redeye's and 4 days that pay 21.

Delta 4 days pay as little as 18:OO. But we get to wear hats.

 

[scarlet]

SWA 19:50 TFP for 3 day...4 day at SWA min pay is 26 TFP

CDOs are just like INTL, not great for the body!

CDOS usually 3 on 2 off?

 

[dbrownie]

CDOs suck....

I did them a lot as a newhire. DTW -FNT or DTW- SBN or LAN were fine...

But we had them to EWR and as far away as DFW!

The long ones were unsafe in my opinion.
If they had limits on leg length for example maybe a consideration.

Db

 

[BOX OFFICE]

I came from a regional too, and I can tell you that standups aren't that bad if they're scheduled right. At ASA, standups were, and still are the most senior lines. Very popular with moms who stay home during the day with the kids, then work at night. also people who have a side business. as said above, most people hate them, some that's all they will do.

We really shouldn't complain about this though. With the arrival of the 717s we're taking back more and more flying from the regionals. This is a big part of what they do. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Either we take this flying in house, or we let them keep it. We can't just contract out what we find undesirable, that's what got us in the RJ mess to begin with.

 

[titans10]

We are flying to those cities already. I have done TYS, JAN, cae, and down the list. The will make a lot of our overnights CDO. Cities like chs, jax, Gso,, anything within the 2-2:15 block to block. Why are we surprose to concede anything? Next the we better take a pay cut because that is what the regionals make.

 

[Freebrd]

One of the negatives with CDOs is having maintenance or waiting for a late plane for you to fly your flight. You're still on duty so you can depart anytime. Say you're scheduled out at 2100, have maintenance and depart at 0100. Get to your destination at 0200, hotel at 0230, right back up at around 0430-45 and duty-in at say 0530. If that happens two nights in a row, watch out.

 

[Whydoitry]

Don't you guys do red eyes? I'll take a stand up over a red eye anytime.

 

[dalad]

The fact that this was in FAR 117 makes the whole reg laughable, including the max 16 hour FDP. The MEC needs to send this back. Or we need Memrat to send it back.

 

[Mikes Apartment]

I came from a regional too, and I can tell you that standups aren't that bad if they're scheduled right. At ASA, standups were, and still are the most senior lines. Very popular with moms who stay home during the day with the kids, then work at night. also people who have a side business. as said above, most people hate them, some that's all they will do.

We really shouldn't complain about this though. With the arrival of the 717s we're taking back more and more flying from the regionals. This is a big part of what they do. We can't have our cake and eat it too. Either we take this flying in house, or we let them keep it. We can't just contract out what we find undesirable, that's what got us in the RJ mess to begin with.

You're an idiot. We take our flying back and we do it safely period. Delta is printing money right now and you think we should make concessions? These will not go senior. Rest can be reduced to 3 hours and block can be up to 2 hours. That's any Florida airport from/to ATL. Block ATL-MIA 1:54.
What I'm hearing from my friends from ASA these were not senior at all and they will go to junior Delta pilots on all narrowbody fleets.
ALPAs slogan is "Schedule with Safety" WTF? How is this anything but a huge step backwards in safety at DAL?