Delta has great DEC quarter, $2.7 Billion yearly profit, article...

[727RedTails]

Redflyer and General,

You know what's embarrassing is your tit for tat. Delta is a good place to work so is Southwest. We all know we do different flying, big deal. Do we really need to debate the code share, rj, widebody, international, diverse flying etc again and again.
Enough for me now time to watch some hockey.

 

[KarmaPolice]

Come on GL, Delta RJs aren't just connecting small cities mainline can't support. Management has substituted them for mainline sized metal on established mainline routes because of their cheaper cost structure all across the nation.

Don't you see that it strengthens your argument to acknowledge your competitor's strengths? SW has done some things well. We need to do better on scope, and this last contract, although not as far as I would have liked to see it go, was a step in the right direction. Delta loses the scope argument EVERY TIME, ALL DAY vs SW. Volaris and AT's rjs were jack Shiz compared to what we do, and what you voted for in C2012.

SW, and its pilots have been guilty of a lot of lowering the bar for this industry, but Scope is not one of them.

 

[jonjuan]

Wave doesn't acknowledge at all that the current contract combatted outsourcing. RJ numbers were cut, INTL scope was tightened, and even domestic code sharing with AK. You can't just stop all of that at once, but you can work on the problem. Has SWAPA done anything about PFT? Anything at all? It's bad for this industry, and Wave and Red-liar compare it to getting a college degree, which you do need at most professional jobs. Do you need to pay for your type at most airlines? Nope, only cheap ones. Why again does that airline require it again? Because they "always have?" They can't afford to pay for it now? The AT guys get free training, why can't upcoming new hires? I did have to pay $25 for an FE Written back in the day, but not $7K..... (And most had to pay for applying to certain airlines and even Airapps now, can't compare that to the cost of a 73 type)


Bye Bye---General Lee

And yet a 5 year SWA FO makes more than you, has more days off than you, and has 18,000 fewer posts than you.

 

[General Lee]

Come on GL, Delta RJs aren't just connecting small cities mainline can't support. Management has substituted them for mainline sized metal on established mainline routes because of their cheaper cost structure all across the nation.

Don't you see that it strengthens your argument to acknowledge your competitor's strengths? SW has done some things well. We need to do better on scope, and this last contract, although not as far as I would have liked to see it go, was a step in the right direction. Delta loses the scope argument EVERY TIME, ALL DAY vs SW. Volaris and AT's rjs were jack Shiz compared to what we do, and what you voted for in C2012.

SW, and its pilots have been guilty of a lot of lowering the bar for this industry, but Scope is not one of them.

You obviously don't see the overall plan unfolding as we speak. Those 50 seaters going to big cities? Mostly GONE soon, even Ed Bastian stated that recently about SLC, all flights will have 2 class service, meaning bye bye 50 seaters there. Some cities can only handle a 50 seater, like Dothan, so some will remain. Now, those famous 88 717s will come in and bump 76/70s to cover the 50 seater cities. That was the idea of C2012, and scope wise that was genius. A swap of DCI routes, recapture of many old routes by mainline. There is NO WAY all RJ flights could go away, and DL doesn't own all the RJs. But, those 88 717s and parking of 215 50 seaters early were parts of a good deal. Regardless of how it was packaged, it worked.

And you really can't compare scope between DL and SWA anyway. DL is part of an alliance (SkyTeam) because business people want seamless travel worldwide. SWA isn't marketing Worldwide travel. Alliances for travel within other countries bring pax onto DL that they couldn't get otherwise. SWA is looking for that pax that needs to see her Mom in Lubbock. DL wants to have a businessman to fly around the World in business class, paying big bucks to fly SkyTeam partners. You just can't compare the two. Nope. SWA frequent fliers are looking for value, whereas DL frequent flyers are looking for Medallion Status and comfort. Big difference.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

And yet a 5 year SWA FO makes more than you, has more days off than you, and has 18,000 fewer posts than you.

Wrong. $230K with DC fund and profit sharing, and I got to go to Rio and Paris. I win. And Juany, you still haven't had a relevant post. You are at minus 5,000.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[DTW320]

Oh now you are giving out career advice? Well we are all stocked up here with condescending statements.

Anti-Delta? Hardly...its called trust but verify

If someone questions management, you turn to a common defense mechanism. Denial.
Please tell me you have something else in your comments that could prove me wrong.

Call it career advice if you want Bill. But Geez, seriously dude? We post the largest profit in airline history, get 20% "increases" (happy DB?) in a 3 year contract, are looking at PS checks in excess of a months pay.....and the best you can do is say that we are pathetic compared to Aeroflot? Whose in "denial" again?

Where did you question management? I missed it in your post. All I saw was some BS slam about a 787 statement and a roll of the eyes about paying cash for 10 A330's.

I call it like I see it. I did back during the merger(very critical) and I do it now when things are good. That's the difference Bill....I don't have some pre-determined bias/grudge that I can't vary from that requires me to say stupid things regardless of the facts. Relax a bit and enjoy the PS check. You can get back to the "we deserve more" and "it's not fair" schtick tomorrow... You'd make a great DPA "officer", if you're not already.

 

[jonjuan]

Wave doesn't acknowledge at all that the current contract combatted outsourcing. RJ numbers were cut, INTL scope was tightened, and even domestic code sharing with AK. You can't just stop all of that at once, but you can work on the problem. Has SWAPA done anything about PFT? Anything at all? It's bad for this industry, and Wave and Red-liar compare it to getting a college degree, which you do need at most professional jobs. Do you need to pay for your type at most airlines? Nope, only cheap ones. Why again does that airline require it again? Because they "always have?" They can't afford to pay for it now? The AT guys get free training, why can't upcoming new hires? I did have to pay $25 for an FE Written back in the day, but not $7K..... (And most had to pay for applying to certain airlines and even Airapps now, can't compare that to the cost of a 73 type)



Bye Bye---General Lee

Wait, wait, wait......I read on the other board that delta doesn't pay for hotel rooms for new hires during sim training. Can you confirm this? That's a lotta coin. With 2.6 B in profit, don't you think it's important to pay for something that Spirit and Virgin America pay for? General????

 

[General Lee]

Call it career advice if you want Bill. But Geez, seriously dude? We post the largest profit in airline history, get 20% "increases" (happy DB?) in a 3 year contract, are looking at PS checks in excess of a months pay.....and the best you can do is say that we are pathetic compared to Aeroflot? Whose in "denial" again?

Where did you question management? I missed it in your post. All I saw was some BS slam about a 787 statement and a roll of the eyes about paying cash for 10 A330's.

I call it like I see it. I did back during the merger(very critical) and I do it now when things are good. That's the difference Bill....I don't have some pre-determined bias/grudge that I can't vary from that requires me to say stupid things regardless of the facts. Relax a bit and enjoy the PS check. You can get back to the "we deserve more" and "it's not fair" schtick tomorrow... You'd make a great DPA "officer", if you're not already.

I agree with YOU. Things have improved, and with the shorter contract and higher profits, things will continue to go upward. Throw in retirements and additional mainline planes (+30 this year), and things haven't been this positive in years. If you wanted to make millions, then you would have gone to Harvard and started an investment firm, like my Father-n-law....



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[KarmaPolice]

Ok, you win. We're the best!

Did you really just explain to me that we're members of skyteam?

SWA people and others, please realize, in my years of flying at Delta, I have never met anyone remotely like this person. And thinking of our culture and the kinds of people I work with, I can't imagine a person like this within it.

 

[General Lee]

Wait, wait, wait......I read on the other board that delta doesn't pay for hotel rooms for new hires during sim training. Can you confirm this? That's a lotta coin. With 2.6 B in profit, don't you think it's important to pay for something that Spirit and Virgin America pay for? General????

The first two weeks they do, and then the higher pay compared to the other legacies offsets the difference. Go on the other website and check first year pay scales. You lose again Juany!



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[KarmaPolice]

Wait, wait, wait......I read on the other board that delta doesn't pay for hotel rooms for new hires during sim training. Can you confirm this? That's a lotta coin. With 2.6 B in profit, don't you think it's important to pay for something that Spirit and Virgin America pay for? General????

This is true. All newhires are considered hired into Atlanta, and therefore do not receive hotel during their initial training, although they do during the two weeks of indoc.

IMHO, It's not that big of a deal as there are plenty of crash pads and training is about a month long. New hires have to fork out about 500 bucks for a place to stay that month.

 

[General Lee]

Ok, you win. We're the best!

Did you really just explain to me that we're members of skyteam?

SWA people and others, please realize, in my years of flying at Delta, I have never met anyone remotely like this person. And thinking of our culture and the kinds of people I work with, I can't imagine a person like this within it.

Wow Debbie Downer, it would be a drag flying all the way across the Atlantic with you.

Any perspective DL wannabes, please, please realize that not every pilot here is as sullen and depressed as Kharma. Someday, I hope he'll be happy..... Most people are....

And, maybe you did need a SkyTeam refresher.



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Redflyer and General,

You know what's embarrassing is your tit for tat. Delta is a good place to work so is Southwest. We all know we do different flying, big deal. Do we really need to debate the code share, rj, widebody, international, diverse flying etc again and again.
Enough for me now time to watch some hockey.

You smell new.


Oh, wait. That's already been used. Sorry Ty.

 

[kwick]

With all the money that they have now will they consider paying back all the
stockholders that they wiped out, or the creditors that they owed millions to,
or all the contractors that they screwed by not paying their bills when they
declared bankruptcy?

 

[General Lee]

With all the money that they have now will they consider paying back all the
stockholders that they wiped out, or the creditors that they owed millions to,
or all the contractors that they screwed by not paying their bills when they
declared bankruptcy?

Actually, a lot of the creditors got a pretty good chunk of their money back. Thanks to Doug Parker trying to pick up DL in BK, DL had to pay more money on the dollar than the average payback. Even the pilots, a major creditor, got paid more thanks to Parker's failed attempt. Thanks Doug!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

RJs go to cities that mainline planes can't go to profitably, like Dothan, AL. How many AT cities were just dropped by SWA because 737s couldn't make money? Answer: 17.

Code shares make sense when airlines can't expand into other countries, but want to make travel "seamless" for the business traveler. You can't fly within Brazil or China, but code sharing allows their intra country pax to connect to your INTL flight. I think SWA initially code shared with AT after the merger, riiiight? I'm correct.

Bankruptcy, something hopefully you yourself don't have to do, or your company. If you do, it might save you. This is the land of second chances, and if you get into dire straights, the BK process is there for you.

You really can't debate, you just totally lost. You ain't no James Carvel, that's for sure, hoss....



Bye Bye---General Lee

Now you have completely changed my belief that you are actually a pilot. You must be Richard Anderson, or his pool boy. Pilots who embrace this kind of logic are just plane dangerous. I can't believe you actually love management that much to condone the above practices. I don't even think your buddy PCL will even come to your defense on this one, you're an oddball in this industry.

 

[canyonblue]

Any perspective DL wannabes, please, please realize that not every pilot here is as sullen and depressed as Kharma. Someday, I hope he'll be happy..... Most people are....

Bye Bye---General Lee

He seems normal and informed, the exact kind of guy that you need to thank for your next contract. Don't hate him just because he doesn't wear Delto Pajamas and a photo of Richard Anderson on his nightstand.

 

[General Lee]

Now you have completely changed my belief that you are actually a pilot. You must be Richard Anderson, or his pool boy. Pilots who embrace this kind of logic are just plane dangerous. I can't believe you actually love management that much to condone the above practices. I don't even think your buddy PCL will even come to your defense on this one, you're an oddball in this industry.

Just because you only understand "drivin" and not inner workings of an industry doesn't mean everyone else has to follow. Keep focusing on how many more legs you have for the day, and stop worrying that I am "embracing" common knowledge logic that is "plane" (?) dangerous.... Huh? Say what? Ok, you are just "plane" lost...


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[jonjuan]

Here ya go, private.....

Delta named Airline of the Year by Air Transport World
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/de...ansport-world-2014-01-23?reflink=MW_news_stmp

 

[General Lee]

Here ya go, private.....

Delta named Airline of the Year by Air Transport World
http://www.marketwatch.com/story/de...ansport-world-2014-01-23?reflink=MW_news_stmp

I know, and I agree (of course)....




Bye Bye---General Lee