Delta has great DEC quarter, $2.7 Billion yearly profit, article...

[General Lee]

Bankruptcy and shredding of contracts and retirements have paid off hansomely for Delta.

Anyone here in the USA is free to do that. This is the land of second , or even third, chances. If you don't like that, move to the ME. Hopefully you won't have to go through that, but if you do, there is BK "protection."



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

Bankruptcy and shredding of contracts and retirements have paid off hansomely for Delta.

So has outsourcing.

Wonder how much Skywest/republic/compass profit none of their pilots will share in bc it goes to mainline profits and DALPA profit sharing.

Way to line some of your pockets with te efforts of others.

How are you guys different than welfare ???

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Be sure NOT to bid'em then.....you know...on principal and all..

Who said anything about not bidding them. Really? Grow up....
Enjoy the Delta enema you got DTW. Not everything this crew is doing works...

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

So has outsourcing.

Wonder how much Skywest/republic/compass profit none of their pilots will share in bc it goes to mainline profits and DALPA profit sharing.

Way to line some of your pockets with te efforts of others.

How are you guys different than welfare ???

Really wave? You couldn't pass on this thread?

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

But read the line above it, buy widebodies with cash. There will be used 773s out there that DL can pick up, and the DL pilots do have limits on JVs. Those limits have been exceeded, and from this upcoming May they have 1 year to become "compliant." If they don't negotiate, then they have to add about 9 daily widebodies per day. (With AF/KL/AZ Joint Venture). I really doubt DALPA will give in on that, unless there was huge upside for the pilots. I also think DALPA is aware of the DPA, and they have to be a little bit more aggressive, and I think they have been with the 117 stuff so far. Cautiously optimistic.....


Bye Bye---General Lee

GL,

There has been that rumor out there for years but nothing ever official about 777-3s. I hope you are right about holding them to the JV limits, but as our weak contract language shows, there is no penalty for non-compliance, or it may come down to a negotiated settlement at ALPAs convenience.

 

[DTW320]

Who said anything about not bidding them. Really? Grow up....
Enjoy the Delta enema you got DTW. Not everything this crew is doing works...

I did.

You said that buying them for cash was a "big whoop". My point is that you cherry picked the 787 comment and claimed it means they don't want more/new widebodies and completely ignored the comment above it that they will pay cash for new widebodies. Way to manipulate your little anti-DAL agenda there.

And a Delta enema??? Well, something got shoved up there back in the SLI, but it wasn't an enima......but that's a whole other thread!!

Try to cheer up. Things could be a lot worse. If it's that bad maybe you and db should apply to your dream airline...

 

[DTW320]

And the general will have to put his PJs on in front of the business pax as he now has to sleep in 3B because he decided to get rid of the private pilot sleeping quarters for a 2% pay raise. Isn't this right, general?

We don't have private pilots at DAL.
And I see you still can't understand our pay rate percentages.
It's gotta be tough being that stupid. Good Luck to you..

 

[jonjuan]

It's been a historical dilemma; ALPA uses the poker analogy as an excuse to never reveal to the pilot group what their own goals were. Why have they never used an independent audit to confirm that the pilot groups will was followed ? It should be simple enough - Pay an independent firm to assess the goals of the group, per the pre contract survey, then assess whether they reached them or not.

Since nobody seems to trust ALPA National and their mysterious surveys - why don't they use an independent firm to audit their own success, or lack thereof ? Thereby proving that the vocal minority are wrong, and the mustache wearing, outsource loving, RLA suckling scum in Herndon are right.

Hammer on nail. Unfortunately for DTW (or maybe fortunately for her), you can't fix stupid.

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

I did.

You said that buying them for cash was a "big whoop". My point is that you cherry picked the 787 comment and claimed it means they don't want more/new widebodies and completely ignored the comment above it that they will pay cash for new widebodies. Way to manipulate your little anti-DAL agenda there.

And a Delta enema??? Well, something got shoved up there back in the SLI, but it wasn't an enima......but that's a whole other thread!!

Try to cheer up. Things could be a lot worse. If it's that bad maybe you and db should apply to your dream airline...

Oh now you are giving out career advice? Well we are all stocked up here with condescending statements.

Anti-Delta? Hardly...its called trust but verify

If someone questions management, you turn to a common defense mechanism. Denial.
Please tell me you have something else in your comments that could prove me wrong.

 

[Scoot 11]

So has outsourcing.

Wonder how much Skywest/republic/compass profit none of their pilots will share in bc it goes to mainline profits and DALPA profit sharing.

Way to line some of your pockets with te efforts of others.

How are you guys different than welfare ???

So has pay for training, lousy benefits, and no retirement plans to begin with. Low cost ******************** holes such as southworst have ruined the industry and changed it forever. You azzwipes were the skirts pushing for age 65. Enjoy your 18 year 737 f/o position. Strangely enough, doosh bags like you are willing to sellout to pay for your job, and then even funnier, pay to fly the rj you so blatantly tourette over!

 

[waveflyer]

Man you should go find that 5:00 somewhere

Said it before, there's a big difference between grown adults, collectively, choosing the contract and working conditions they'll operate under- and voting to set up a whipsaw market that other grown men and women will have operate in.

I'm none too happy about age 65- I let my people know and don't sugarcoat how awful that transition was for my generation
Your legacy as DALPA, is world leader in outsourcing. Are you letting your people know that's not a good direction for the industry? Are you sugar coating it for the people who are so far removed they dont care? Do YOU care? Do you see the downward pressure outsourcing puts on your wages even if it takes a couple steps? How willing RJ pilots are to fly for Allegiant and Virgin wages bc they represent real steps up for thousands stuck in the whipsaw market you create?

I don't pretend that SWA is perfect, but I work to fix what's wrong?

Are you Scoot?

Or are you too prideful and defensive to hear what a guy calling you a sellout has to say?

 

[tankerhead]

Hang on, wave....wait for it......

I got a dollar says he calls you a doosh again! This has the makings of a good drinking game.

 

[General Lee]

Wave doesn't acknowledge at all that the current contract combatted outsourcing. RJ numbers were cut, INTL scope was tightened, and even domestic code sharing with AK. You can't just stop all of that at once, but you can work on the problem. Has SWAPA done anything about PFT? Anything at all? It's bad for this industry, and Wave and Red-liar compare it to getting a college degree, which you do need at most professional jobs. Do you need to pay for your type at most airlines? Nope, only cheap ones. Why again does that airline require it again? Because they "always have?" They can't afford to pay for it now? The AT guys get free training, why can't upcoming new hires? I did have to pay $25 for an FE Written back in the day, but not $7K..... (And most had to pay for applying to certain airlines and even Airapps now, can't compare that to the cost of a 73 type)



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[waveflyer]

It's never been an "afford it" thing-

It's herb wanting his highest paid employees to have skin in the game. To be invested. To know what it means to take substantial risk like he did-

That's it. We want owners at SWA not just employees.

Even if we get far away from that- I still like it

 

[General Lee]

It's never been an "afford it" thing-

It's herb wanting his highest paid employees to have skin in the game. To be invested. To know what it means to take substantial risk like he did-

That's it. We want owners at SWA not just employees.

Even if we get far away from that- I still like it

Herb is gone. Time to change it wave, and it still is bad for industry and "cheap." Fix it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[canyonblue]

Herb is gone. Time to change it wave, and it still is bad for industry and "cheap." Fix it.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Bad for the industry?

RJ's
Codeshare
BANKRUPTCY

Worry about your own craphole, Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

 

[redflyer65]

Bad for the industry?

RJ's
Codeshare
BANKRUPTCY

Worry about your own craphole, Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

Ouch.


Let's review...

SW....type rating.
No RJ's, ever.
No codeshare.
No bankruptcy.

 

[General Lee]

Bad for the industry?

RJ's
Codeshare
BANKRUPTCY

Worry about your own craphole, Sell crazy someplace else, we're all stocked up here.

RJs go to cities that mainline planes can't go to profitably, like Dothan, AL. How many AT cities were just dropped by SWA because 737s couldn't make money? Answer: 17.

Code shares make sense when airlines can't expand into other countries, but want to make travel "seamless" for the business traveler. You can't fly within Brazil or China, but code sharing allows their intra country pax to connect to your INTL flight. I think SWA initially code shared with AT after the merger, riiiight? I'm correct.

Bankruptcy, something hopefully you yourself don't have to do, or your company. If you do, it might save you. This is the land of second chances, and if you get into dire straights, the BK process is there for you.

You really can't debate, you just totally lost. You ain't no James Carvel, that's for sure, hoss....



Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Ouch.


Let's review...

SW....type rating.
No RJ's, ever.
No codeshare.
No bankruptcy.

AT had RJs in MKE, so technically, yeah, you sorta had RJs in your combined history. And, you did code shade with Volaris. You don't currently have either, and hopefully GK doesn't ask for some inexchange for keeping your wages the same coming up here. Good luck Red-liar....


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

AT had RJs in MKE, so technically, yeah, you sorta had RJs in your combined history. And, you did code shade with Volaris. You don't currently have either, and hopefully GK doesn't ask for some inexchange for keeping your wages the same coming up here. Good luck Red-liar....


Bye Bye---General Lee

Do your homework here Jenny.

As soon as SW bought AirTran, the RJs were gone. Violation of our Scope. Something you guys haven't learned very well.

So No. Southwest didn't have RJ's. We stopped them immediately.

We HAD exactly one codeshare partner. Volaris (by name). Now their gone and there is no codeshare. Not by any company, domestic or international. Isn't that a good Scope clause? I bet you wish you had that kind of language. Sure you do.

GK to ask for RJ's and codeshare? Thanks for pulling that out of your *ss, because he hasn't asked for either. Nice feeble attempt at debate when you have no facts.

How many codeshare partners do you have? 20? 30? That's embarrassing.