Delta 717's

[GogglesPisano]

Right now we don't compete with Emirates (which is fortunate for us.) This is due to geography. The only US markets they tap are US-eastern Africa and US-Indian sub-continent. They are a much bigger threat to the European legacies.

If cabotage rules change and they can start flying US-Europe we are in big trouble. You can't compete with their cost structure or level of service. Of course, extreme cabotage changes would allow Ryanair to fly within the US, at which point this career will officially by flushed.

 

[DTW320]

***Newsflash*** You forgot the 32 A330's that pay the same as the 767-4's. So a WHOPPING 87 "AIPLANES". Also, just for fun, don't forget that since those "AIPLANES" only fly international, add $4.50/hr to the rates for that 10 year FO. So, 1/1/13 pay = $175/hr for 777/747, and $164/hr for 764/330.

Enjoy your 107 hrs/month. You can have that s#@t.

You must have a LOT of "rainy days"...

Forgot to mention: DL also has 58 767-300ER's in addition to the 87 "super premium widebodies" and 1,950 F/O's that fly them. 1/1/13 pay = $150/hr intl. +14% DC as GL mentioned. Sure, it would be great if they made more...true for ALL of us on here...but, seriously, you think it's valid to try to belittle 747/777 FO's making over $200k (including DC) and literally thousands of other WB FO's at DL making $175k? You think that's some kind of loser career position these days? Wow.

 

[freightdogfred]

Spend some time in LBB, those ole boys will learn you a few things about how to treat others, telling the truth, and keeping your word.
:beer:

Boy that's a good one. Ya'll been a-learnin us lots bout that.

 

[waveflyer]

Really dumb thread for a while now
So since y'all are repeating yourself- I will too-
Delta is a fantastic career if you fall into it, pursue it til you get it, or choose it over a Swa or FedEx. So is swa, but in different ways. No matter how it happens, life is good. My critique of delta is only about short-sighted outsourcing, and I'm still hopeful that'll get reigned in -
Have I mentioned how dumb this thread is

 

[Whataburger]

You think that's some kind of loser career position these days? Wow.

I never said or implied that. Wow!

 

[texman]

Right now we don't compete with Emirates (which is fortunate for us.) This is due to geography. The only US markets they tap are US-eastern Africa and US-Indian sub-continent. They are a much bigger threat to the European legacies.

If cabotage rules change and they can start flying US-Europe we are in big trouble. You can't compete with their cost structure or level of service. Of course, extreme cabotage changes would allow Ryanair to fly within the US, at which point this career will officially by flushed.

^^^^^^^^^This hear is the bigger issue! It could happen.

 

[General Lee]

^^^^^^^^^This hear is the bigger issue! It could happen.

Rigt now, not really. We do have "open skies" with certain countries, like Australia, but Emirates and Qantas just did a partnership that will probably preserve their most highly coveted rotes, and for Qantas that is Australia to LAX. Other than that, most of the big airports are slot controlled or have very little room to grow. Europe to the US? Nah, that economy isn't doing great. Unlikely in the near future. It still bears watching, and this upcoming election could help keep cabotage out longer. That is why current consolidation is important. The 3 large legacies need to become more profitable to help compete against the Emirates and Singapores of the world. More profits mean legacies can buy newer and bigger planes, improve the product, etc. I think that is the current thinking.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[redflyer65]

Rigt now, not really. We do have "open skies" with certain countries, like Australia, but Emirates and Qantas just did a partnership that will probably preserve their most highly coveted rotes, and for Qantas that is Australia to LAX. Other than that, most of the big airports are slot controlled or have very little room to grow. Europe to the US? Nah, that economy isn't doing great. Unlikely in the near future. It still bears watching, and this upcoming election could help keep cabotage out longer. That is why current consolidation is important. The 3 large legacies need to become more profitable to help compete against the Emirates and Singapores of the world. More profits mean legacies can buy newer and bigger planes, improve the product, etc. I think that is the current thinking.


Bye Bye---General Lee

Agree 100% General. All BS aside, I'd much rather see you guys fly it than some other foreign low cost carrier. Definitely could be a problem down the road.

 

[Whataburger]

Whatajoke,

.

1. You guys have to contribute 9% before you get a match.

2. That means you take home 9% less to get that match. So, add the 13% and you really lose.

3. The only way to compare accurately is posted payrates...

4. because not everyone flies the max.




Bye Bye---General Lee

1. Simply not true.

2. Simply not true.

3. Simply not true.

4. True.

You claim to have a friend at SWA. Find some truths and report back to me when you get over your jet lag.

 

[General Lee]

1. Simply not true.

2. Simply not true.

3. Simply not true.

4. True.

You claim to have a friend at SWA. Find some truths and report back to me when you get over your jet lag.

So, correct me Whatajoke. Do you have a DC fund that is independent of your own contribution? (nope). How about INTL override? Wait, your AT brethren do the INTL flights. I'd call my SWA buddy and ask him, but he is too exhausted to answer the phone after his 18 leg 4 day am trip.


Bye Bye---General Lee