Delta 717 problems?

[BILL LUMBERG]

TENS of THOUSANDS of jobs outsourced and you still think you can open your mouth with any authority on anything we do? Hilarious.

Your basically losing around 12-15% of those regional airframes. Guess what, you STILL have MORE Delta Connection airframes than Southwest has. Unbelievable.

Slow your roll Red...

My point earlier is that until you serve those thin routes that only have RJ service, you are in no position to make an argument. I could run a 737 profitably to cherry picked cities too.

Granted, we were running 6 RJs a day between major cities, but those days are over or at least being sunsetted and it is being reversed.

Using your scope (never challenged by your management) as your big achievement in advancing the profession is not a real bloodletting event for your pilot group.

 

[redflyer65]

Wasn't meant for you Bill. It was for the Village Idiot that give you guys a bad name. You know, it was a horrible TA for having larger RJ's, then it evaporated when he saw there was more money.

Our management has looked at RJ's, numerous times and didn't like the cost metric. We just got it all in writing. So it was a combination of negotiations and economics.

 

[General Lee]

Wasn't meant for you Bill. It was for the Village Idiot that give you guys a bad name. You know, it was a horrible TA for having larger RJ's, then it evaporated when he saw there was more money.

Our management has looked at RJ's, numerous times and didn't like the cost metric. We just got it all in writing. So it was a combination of negotiations and economics.

Oh, here we go again.... You call me names because you can't debate the issues. The TA gained many things that were good, but AS YOU WILL FIND OUT SOON Red, you won't get everything you want. It was a 3 year contract with a 20% raise, higher DC fund %, higher vacation and training pay, better sick leave, and lower RJ numbers and tighter domestic and INTL scope. Yes, there were a couple hits that weren't great, but nothing that set the pilot group back. Will you say the same coming up here? I hope so Red, fingers crossed!


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Wasn't meant for you Bill. It was for the Village Idiot that give you guys a bad name. You know, it was a horrible TA for having larger RJ's, then it evaporated when he saw there was more money.

Our management has looked at RJ's, numerous times and didn't like the cost metric. We just got it all in writing. So it was a combination of negotiations and economics.

Roger that Red...thanks.

My bringing this up and your clarification sorta proves that the company never laid it out on the table for SWAPA to even consider. Better yet, was a TA presented to you or your predecessors including a loosening of scope for the membership to vote on?

Your management (smartly) saw the stupidity in outsourcing, and we (stupidly) had it on the table and took the bait. Blame us...sure, but saying you had your back against the wall over the issue is a stretch.

 

[redflyer65]

They tried the limited codeshare with Volaris and we just tightened the language to just that one company.

Once they dissolved that agreement, any and all codeshare basically stopped. We did spend a tremendous amount of negotiating capital to get it locked down and we aren't going to be so easy to give it up. Prior to that during Herb's years, I don't think he liked the idea but neither was it spelled out in the contract (just from memory).

 

[General Lee]

They tried the limited codeshare with Volaris and we just tightened the language to just that one company.

Once they dissolved that agreement, any and all codeshare basically stopped. We did spend a tremendous amount of negotiating capital to get it locked down and we aren't going to be so easy to give it up. Prior to that during Herb's years, I don't think he liked the idea but neither was it spelled out in the contract (just from memory).

You also never used to go to Major East Coast airports, instead focusing on cities like PVD and MHT......that has changed. You also never had entertainment, and now you offer Dish Network. You never charged for separate seating, and now you charge $10 more to board early with a free beer coupon. Get the idea Red? Things change, even at the Corndog. He will demand more.




Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[madjack]

Sure helps the bottom line when you go bankrupt, get bailed out, furlough and gut the pension
Plan...all while outsourcing...yeah great place to work...

 

[HowardBorden]

He will demand more.

Of course he will, that's his job. The difference is we won't sell scope for short term monetary gain. Fortunately we have watched and learned from the best that short term gain is indeed short and long term is the gain we all desire.

 

[General Lee]

Sure helps the bottom line when you go bankrupt, get bailed out, furlough and gut the pension
Plan...all while outsourcing...yeah great place to work...

So, it will be amazing when the bottom 1/3 of your place all try to apply to the big 3. Says a lot about your certain stagnation, complete boredom, and possible contentious contract talks coming up.


The big 3 offer huge retirement numbers, pay that is rising and will continue to do so thanks to larger profits, and variety in flying unmatched at a LCC. Which legacies have you applied to?


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Of course he will, that's his job. The difference is we won't sell scope for short term monetary gain. Fortunately we have watched and learned from the best that short term gain is indeed short and long term is the gain we all desire.

Fingers crossed Howie! Unfortunately, this time it doesn't sound like he's still got "da LUV...." Throwing out comparison pieces with "peer" airlines doesn't sound good, he's going public early....


Bye Bye----General Lee

 

[dbrownie]

Oh, It was a 3 year contract with a 20% raise
Bye Bye---General Lee

How is it a "Raise" when we still make less than we used to?

Wouldn't an "increase in the bankruptcy wage" be more accurate?

Still waiting...

Db

 

[BILL LUMBERG]

Sure helps the bottom line when you go bankrupt, get bailed out, furlough and gut the pension
Plan...all while outsourcing...yeah great place to work...

Love it here!! What's your point?

So which was it...the psych exam that ya busted or was it the technical....there's no way an idiot like yourself would get far enough to see somebody face to face here.

 

[madjack]

Forgot too add furlough...DL is now strong and I hope stats that way but it has been a rough decade for labor

 

[waveflyer]

Bill, you can do better than the tired
"Sorry you got turned down at xxxx airlines..."

Thought you had better wits than that my man

 

[Scoot 11]

Bill, you can do better than the tired
"Sorry you got turned down at xxxx airlines..."

Thought you had better wits than that my man

Ok, how about this... Worry about your own issues you pay for training sellout troll??