DCI - 100, 50-Seaters and All Turboprops To Go.

[General Lee]

Relax... I am just saying that I think Doin Time knows darn well who Reid is, and who you were talking about. Not everyone is trying to start an argument with you, you know...

Turbo

Relax? Maybe you should reword your statements so I don't have to go nuclear. If you re-read your statement, it didn't sound like what you just described.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Maybe because VA pays its pilots flying A320's like they are flying 50 seat RJ's

Yes, their pilot pay is less, but that is a fraction of the total costs. From SFO they fly to SNA, LAS, LAX, PDX, and SEA, along with transcons. I believe SkyWest does the same from SFO right now for UAL(sans the transcons thank gawd). So, maybe Reid could have added RJs for shorthaul, but he DID NOT---because he learned something on the way out from Delta.


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[WMUSIGPI]

Yes, their pilot pay is less, but that is a fraction of the total costs. From SFO they fly to SNA, LAS, LAX, PDX, and SEA, along with transcons. I believe SkyWest does the same from SFO right now for UAL(sans the transcons thank gawd). So, maybe Reid could have added RJs for shorthaul, but he DID NOT---because he learned something on the way out from Delta.


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I am blaming a combination of pay, fuel costs, acquisition costs, and usefulness in thier size airline. Basically with RJ's they would be a west coast Independence air. I'd bet if VA had to pay its pilots Delta pre BK or United 2000 pay and fuel was still 20/barrel, it'd be much more likely they'd be glad to give Mesa a place for all thier planes being dumped.

 

[Fltlvls]

Just park all the RJs so the General will stop b!tching about how much fuel they guzzle and how much the operarting cost are and how he can never get a seat on one because they are always full .Then the highly skilled 5000 mainline schmucks that are junior to him can fly the 6-8 legs a day in their "fuel efficient" DC-9s and A-319s.And the regional guys won't have to worry about him taking their seat in the back of their own equipment and leave themselves fighting for the JS.

If you can't toot your own horn then who will?

 

[79%N1]

Just park all the RJs so the General will stop b!tching about how much fuel they guzzle and how much the operarting cost are and how he can never get a seat on one because they are always full .Then the highly skilled 5000 mainline schmucks that are junior to him can fly the 6-8 legs a day in their "fuel efficient" DC-9s and A-319s.And the regional guys won't have to worry about him taking their seat in the back of their own equipment and leave themselves fighting for the JS.

If you can't toot your own horn then who will?

I'm all for it! If it will shut up The Private forever so I never have to hear his whiny little crybaby you know what again, I say do it! Then who will he target his misplaced anger to? He probably wont be happy until 75's, 76's and 777's fly all legs to all cities! Go for it Wee!

 

[JumpersAway]

I made twice what the normal regional Captain makes last year, maybe a bit more. I flew the max, and I greenslip about once every couple months thanks to my high seniority on the 767ER. As far as pre-BK wages, sure, I made more then. I was making more then compared to what most current 767 Captains make now. And, when you go to BK, you are NOT paid what you are worth, you are paid whatever the judge decides. You should know that you dimwit. We are working on higher pay, but again when mitigating circumstances halt your progress (like negotiating during high oil--$140 a barrel), there is not much anyone can do. Also, having a higher pay rate doesn't always equate to having what you are worth. A high DC percentage, better work rules, etc can also make up for lost pay per hour. We didn't lose everything in BK you know. Oh wait, I guess you don't know, since a lot of what you said made you look clueless. You really do need a lecture.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Wow- I must have hit a nerve..........I love it! Hey, if you would worry about your own pay, instead of someone else's, we might start seeing progress in this industry........................

I would LOVE a lecture from you General, bring your best!

 

[General Lee]

Wow- I must have hit a nerve..........I love it! Hey, if you would worry about your own pay, instead of someone else's, we might start seeing progress in this industry........................

I would LOVE a lecture from you General, bring your best!

Unfortunately our last two negotiations were under bad circumstances. Prior to our combined contract with NWA, the last one was in BK court. Maybe you don't know much about that (and I hope you never do), but it is a "real tough crowd" in BK court. Hard to get much leverage at all. The next attempt which I stated before was our dual contract with NWA. Unfortunately at the time, oil was at $140 a barrel. We wanted to get it done pre-seniority merge after seeing what happened to USAir East and West. With high oil as the elephant in the room, we were only able to squeeze a 17% raise over 4 years, plus some stock in the company, plus an extra couple % on our DC funds. Not terrible, not great at all. Of course oil then fell to $35 a barrel, and we were already locked in. Even Delta thought we were going to $150 a barrel, since they hedged a bunch at over $100 a barrel (that is why we have lost money over the last few quarters--all bad hedges). Obviously DL didn't think they were pulling one over on us, since they had made a huge hedge themselves.

So, it all depends on what is going on around you. We have had a couple of bad rounds these last 2 times, but we are aimed to do well the next time, unless Mars attacks!


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[General Lee]

I'm all for it! If it will shut up The Private forever so I never have to hear his whiny little crybaby you know what again, I say do it! Then who will he target his misplaced anger to? He probably wont be happy until 75's, 76's and 777's fly all legs to all cities! Go for it Wee!

Even RA says your flying is going away, and soon you will be flying pax for United. Go enjoy that. Our DC9s will be flying to a lot of the places you have enjoyed over the last few years, and hopefully that will continue into the future with a future 100 seater that won't be going to you. But you do have something to look forward to----being hired at United maybe.(after all of their furloughs come back someday)


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

Just park all the RJs so the General will stop b!tching about how much fuel they guzzle and how much the operarting cost are and how he can never get a seat on one because they are always full .Then the highly skilled 5000 mainline schmucks that are junior to him can fly the 6-8 legs a day in their "fuel efficient" DC-9s and A-319s.And the regional guys won't have to worry about him taking their seat in the back of their own equipment and leave themselves fighting for the JS.

If you can't toot your own horn then who will?

Hey, somebody has to dig ditches..... Honestly though, many RJs do need to be parked, nobody likes them anymore. Even the bean counters are wincing. Good ole Mike Boyd has seen the future, and RA is listening! More RJs mean less mainline jobs, which historically are better paying and have better benefits. Too many 300 hour wonders from Riddle have flooded the airways, and now think they are entitled to a job at a mainline. That just AIN'T the case. More DC9s or A319s are a good thing. You really need to start understanding that point. Say it with me: "More Mainline planes GOOD, MORE RJs BAD..." Repeat 10 times please.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[79%N1]

Even RA says your flying is going away, and soon you will be flying pax for United. Go enjoy that. Our DC9s will be flying to a lot of the places you have enjoyed over the last few years, and hopefully that will continue into the future with a future 100 seater that won't be going to you. But you do have something to look forward to----being hired at United maybe.(after all of their furloughs come back someday)


Bye Bye---General Lee

Did he say that dipwad, or are you dreaming that up in your crazy little mind? Hmmm. Thats funny. ASA has a 15 year contract to fly for Delta. So they are just getting rid of all their feed, and going to fly old a$$ DC9's to MLU, BTR, CAE, DHN, CHA, GTR, CSG, ABY, OTK, BQK, TRI, TYS, LEX, etc for quadruple the cost?!?!?!? GREAT MOVE RA!!! You are the best CEO since Frank Lorenzo himself. Anyway, he never said that, and you are a loser of epic, monumental proportions. So, show me the quote where Richard Anderson said that Delta is terminating ASA's flying! Go ahead, can you back up just one of your STUPID posts?

By the way......Good on ASA to find other flying to diversify from Delta and their fickle flight schedules. I'm certain we will enjoy it, Private.

 

[xjgearbtch]

11 posts on one topic thread in one day alone! Over 13,000 posts total. I really feel sorry for you. This has become your main source of social interaction, this is what inspires you to wake up every morning. How sad!!! There is a whole world out there with real people, they talk with words, they laugh, they even complain. Go met them, put down the keyboard, spread your wings.
I challenge you to spend one week without looking at this website. You can't, because you have serious mental/addiction issues. I'm not trying to rip on you, I'm trying to tell you, you need help. One week.....................

 

[CA1900]

Honestly though, many RJs do need to be parked, nobody likes them anymore.

When has anybody ever liked RJs?

 

[General Lee]

11 posts on one topic thread in one day alone! Over 13,000 posts total. I really feel sorry for you. This has become your main source of social interaction, this is what inspires you to wake up every morning. How sad!!! There is a whole world out there with real people, they talk with words, they laugh, they even complain. Go met them, put down the keyboard, spread your wings.
I challenge you to spend one week without looking at this website. You can't, because you have serious mental/addiction issues. I'm not trying to rip on you, I'm trying to tell you, you need help. One week.....................

You feel sorry for me? Why? I really enjoy this board. I enjoy debating and I enjoy the industry. Also, I enjoy my job and my life. My wife loves me, and we have a lot of fun. Thanks for caring.

And, you bring up a point I have tried to say all along---11 posts today (actually more now) on this topic alone, and over 13,000 posts total. I don't do one post a day for 15 years, rather I post a lot on a certain subject, which makes my total rise. I am not on here everyday, but when I am I usually carpet bomb the subject until you non-believers "see the light." It may take time, but you will see what I mean eventually. I don't mind working hard to make something "easy" for you to understand eventually. You're welcome.


Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[General Lee]

When has anybody ever liked RJs?

Fred Reid LOVED them when he was President of Delta, but then mysteriously decided not to get them when he started up Virgin America with Branson. How did that happen? Did he RIDE on one? Maybe he sat next to a corpulent sweaty person on a CRJ?

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[General Lee]

Did he say that dipwad, or are you dreaming that up in your crazy little mind? Hmmm. Thats funny. ASA has a 15 year contract to fly for Delta. So they are just getting rid of all their feed, and going to fly old a$$ DC9's to MLU, BTR, CAE, DHN, CHA, GTR, CSG, ABY, OTK, BQK, TRI, TYS, LEX, etc for quadruple the cost?!?!?!? GREAT MOVE RA!!! You are the best CEO since Frank Lorenzo himself. Anyway, he never said that, and you are a loser of epic, monumental proportions. So, show me the quote where Richard Anderson said that Delta is terminating ASA's flying! Go ahead, can you back up just one of your STUPID posts?

By the way......Good on ASA to find other flying to diversify from Delta and their fickle flight schedules. I'm certain we will enjoy it, Private.

It is getting smaller and smaller. In 15 years you might have one more CR9 left flying for us---but you still will have something..... And, flying an old a$$ DC9 is cheaper than flying a bunch of RJs---we own the DC9s outright, and we can funnel pax onto two or three DC9s instead of 5 or 6 RJs. See, you don't get it. Airtran is killing us with their 717s vs the RJs, thanks to having more seats and pricing the tickets so your RJs can't make money. If you put a similar sized plane with about the same number of seats on the same route with them, they cannot do that. Airlines 101, and you have an F.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[twobits]

General,

In one reply, you say that Delta is the best and will never fail.... and you have over 5000 people below you on the seniority list. The next post you tell us about how Airtran is killing Delta with the 717 because RJ's suck. Which is it going to be; Success or failure? Assuming you know everything (that's the impression I get), then why are you not in management after all of these years? just curious.

BTW, we only see the cost side of the airline and have to believe what airline execs tell us. How do you know what an RJ or a 717 is making? Delta may be making more on one RJ flight than Airtran is with one 717 on the same route. We aren't paid to manage the airline, just fly the airplanes. We are a factor of production, and nothing we say will ever really matter. Show up to work, do the job safetly, and go home to your family and cook for them instead of post on this thing. It will make everybody happier.

 

[Fltlvls]

Hey, somebody has to dig ditches..... Honestly though, many RJs do need to be parked, nobody likes them anymore. Even the bean counters are wincing. Good ole Mike Boyd has seen the future, and RA is listening! More RJs mean less mainline jobs, which historically are better paying and have better benefits. Too many 300 hour wonders from Riddle have flooded the airways, and now think they are entitled to a job at a mainline. That just AIN'T the case. More DC9s or A319s are a good thing. You really need to start understanding that point. Say it with me: "More Mainline planes GOOD, MORE RJs BAD..." Repeat 10 times please.


Bye Bye--General Lee

Your mainline management team started the RJ debacle so don't blame the regionals for taking advantage of it.And mainline pilots felt they were more holy than thou to fly an RJ so guess what happened????..That decision turned on you and bit you in the a$$..... say it with me 10 times .... It's mainlines FAULT !!!

 

[20sx]

When has anybody ever liked RJs?

Passengers loved them when they first came out and the RJ's were still doing the short regional flights that the turboprops did. I think passengers still like them over a turboprop. However, I don't think anyone likes them on long flights!

 

[xjgearbtch]

One week you can't do it. You have an addiction problem. Show this to your wife show this to a psychologist. Hopefully your wife will tell you the truth. I know a shrink will. You have a mental/addiction issue. ONE WEEK!!!!!!!!!! You can't do it unless you get help!!!!!!!!!!! Seek it!

 

[General Lee]

General,

In one reply, you say that Delta is the best and will never fail.... and you have over 5000 people below you on the seniority list. The next post you tell us about how Airtran is killing Delta with the 717 because RJ's suck. Which is it going to be; Success or failure? Assuming you know everything (that's the impression I get), then why are you not in management after all of these years? just curious.

BTW, we only see the cost side of the airline and have to believe what airline execs tell us. How do you know what an RJ or a 717 is making? Delta may be making more on one RJ flight than Airtran is with one 717 on the same route. We aren't paid to manage the airline, just fly the airplanes. We are a factor of production, and nothing we say will ever really matter. Show up to work, do the job safetly, and go home to your family and cook for them instead of post on this thing. It will make everybody happier.

The "new" Delta is a lot stronger than before, and we have people running the show with better ideas than some in the past, like removing RJs and adding DC9s in their place to better compete with those 717s. I have a feeling our people know exactly what Airtran is doing, because they can see the price of their tickets, and then they apply that to the seat count of a standard 717. The Airtran people have figured out how to hurt the competition when they play with RJs. They price the tickets just enough to make a slight profit, and allow the RJ operator to make a loss. It is not that tough to figure out. Most LCCs have not been losing money, primarily because they can usually set the fares in the marketplace. When they can't do that for some reason, they usually start hurting themselves.

As far as why I comment on these topics, this is a message board and a discussion board. You can type about anything you want. If you want to debate certain topics, then do it. If not, then don't. Quit being such a "sensitive Sally."


Bye Bye--General Lee