DALPA Rep Says no go to merger....

[Fly4hire]

Yes, it does add up because this was business, not section 6 negotiations.

FDJ2 explains it well:

Again, this was an offer. Your Representatives communicated a refusal of that offer. Offers are considered withdrawn if not accepted.

Mr. Anderson has said repeatedly that Delta will not enter a deal which does not protect the seniority of Delta's employees.

An offer was made and while there might have been some tiny amount of wiggle room, you were to receive something for something. A better contract and a fair seniority list integration at a better company for your agreement to transition peacefully and productively.

On several levels the response to the offer was more than a simple refusal, it was an attack against the basic principle of what the agreement sought to achieve - labor peace resulting in greater productivity than has been the case in earlier mergers.
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Your arrogance is appalling, exceeded only by your ignorance - and this from a NH who was one of the numb-nuts involved in the RJDC.

I think someone said that this combination has (had) the potential to be a world beating competitor.

Amazing that it will go down the drain due to the hubris and narcissism of the DAL MEC.....​

 

[Gunfighter]

... At least we tried.

And perhaps that is all the merger talks were supposed to accomplish. Placate the investors so we can get back to running the company.

When asked if Delta had a "Plan B" ready if the Northwest deal fails, Bastian said, "It's not a Plan B, it's a Plan A -- that's our standalone option."
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Perhaps this is management's desired outcome. Delta didn't want a merger with US Air and the entire company, including the pilots rallied behind the effort to "Keep Delta My Delta". Once again the pilots have helped keep Delta a stand alone airline. Hopefully this is the best resolution for all involved.

 

[brainhurts]

Here's just a guess: Both sides in their neutral corners reflecting. A new round will pop up egged on by management. Both sides have showed their starting proposals. Its just good negotating. They will be back. There is too much money on the table. Both sides will agree that the junior guys need to be skrewed more equally. Then a deal can be done.

 

[Fly4hire]

Both sides will agree that the junior guys need to be skrewed more equally. Then a deal can be done.

Most likely scenario......

 

[Occam's Razor]

Here's just a guess: Both sides in their neutral corners reflecting. A new round will pop up egged on by management. Both sides have showed their starting proposals. Its just good negotating. They will be back. There is too much money on the table. Both sides will agree that the junior guys need to be skrewed more equally. Then a deal can be done.

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Not really.
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In principle...correct.
Correct.

 

[Heavy Set]

My feeling is that the NWA pilot group has skrewed the pooch for themselves going forward. Not only will the Delta group not be interested in a deal, but no other airline pilot group (i.e., CAL) will be interested in talking to them. You set a bad precedent with overly aggressive demands - that reputation follows you. There aren't many good merger partners out there - only a select few unless you want to consider dancing with United.

That's too bad because with oil prices climbing, a strong combination between airlines might be the only ticket to survival... The economic situation could get much worse. Time will tell.

 

[FDJ2]

Your arrogance is appalling, exceeded only by your ignorance - and this from a NH who was one of the numb-nuts involved in the RJDC.

Personal insults normally are attributable to a lack of an argument.

Don't worry, everything will be o.k.

Feel better now?

 

[FDJ2]

And perhaps that is all the merger talks were supposed to accomplish. Placate the investors so we can get back to running the company.

That's quite possible.

Maybe the thought was if they could pull it off seamlessly they were ready to go for it. If the hang up was the pilots inability to play nice, then there is a scape goat to placate the investors.

We'll see how this all plays out.

 

[FDJ2]

Both sides have showed their starting proposals.

The basis of the miscalculation is unearthed. It's not a starting position. Think of it as an option to be explored. If you prefer your stand alone option go for it. No hard feelings.

If you think that was an opening wish list from where we can begin to negotiate towards the middle from your wish list, you are sadly mistaken.

 

[Fly4hire]

Personal insults normally are attributable to a lack of an argument.

Arguing a counterpoint here is like discussing alternative faiths with Islamic fundamentalists. Good thing it will be decided by more reasoned voices on either side...

 

[f9driver]

I have no idea, although I believe some of the NWA pilots on this board could have easily flunked the psych eval at Delta......they actually believe they deserve DOH at Delta and at NASA....? I hear the DC9 cockpit is a lot like the Russian Sputnik too.

Bye Bye--General Lee

G. Lee, you are living proof an overly ambitious psycopath can get work in this business. You are more "puffed" up then P. Diddy. One of the "it's all about me generation" that escaped service to anything or anyone but yourself. I would hate to work for/with you if I was a NWA'er.

 

[brainhurts]

The basis of the miscalculation is unearthed. It's not a starting position. Think of it as an option to be explored. If you prefer your stand alone option go for it. No hard feelings.

If you think that was an opening wish list from where we can begin to negotiate towards the middle from your wish list, you are sadly mistaken.

I am not sure of your background. I am also in real estate. I buy and hold. I do not think that either group was really insulted by a "non starter" initial proposal. Like you said--no hard feelings. There will be a middle ground. Again, just a guess.

 

[EdTeachLives!]

Arguing a counterpoint here is like discussing alternative faiths with Islamic fundamentalists. Good thing it will be decided by more reasoned voices on either side...

What reasoned voices would those be on the NWA side.

What makes you all believe that DAL, RA and their ALPA will come back and even take a meeting with NWALPA at this point?

NWALPA basically comes in and dictates surrender terms at the Palace Hotel meeting in NYC after DALPA used a reasoned approach to the talks. Then their revisionists come on this board and try to spin sell that notion that what really happened was that it was their "opener" that was given.

There is no more room for negotiating on either MEC's side. Both were quickly painted in their corners by their pilots when the details were made public.
That leaves arbitration. Probably what NWALPA was aiming for in the first place as evident by their actions and history.

RA will more than likely not pull the trigger on a merger if there is arbitration involved. He understands the history of the NWA pilots. He has seen what they are capable of. Why risk labor strife that will make last summers cancellations look miniscule next to the potential uprising.

It's over. Happens all the time. Remember, its just business. Opportunity lost. Move along.

Ed

 

[johnsonrod]

The NWA guys just seem unreasonable with their demands. The industry is going to he!! and there aren't many good merger partners out there. We're talking about moving from a position of mediocrity to a position of strength (as a combined carrier) in the industry.

NWA certainly ain't considered great in any category right now and it won't be going forward - good job maintaining your mediocrity!

 

[jke406]

You sir, are an ass.

You've been at NWA for a few days. Shouldn't you be looking at 1950s-era ops manuals or something?