Dalpa Concerned

[spinproof]

"Doebrain"

Yeah I can see you don't have a dog in this fight...I can also see you don't have a clue as to the true subject being discussed. Resulting to complaining about my assumed grade level of communication.

The gist of this is DALPA's criptic message as to their "wages" will in play when "all of DCI" is in play! They, on the (DCI) other hand, are currently giving! Not to mention PROFITTABLE !!!

My retort is based on the fact this would not be a factor(furloughs,aircraft flown, et al)if DALPA had a little forsight and stappled ASA and COMAIR. Instead of relying on a "scope clause" to control that segment of flying they(DALPA) wish to protect.

To continue to ignore the problem(DALPA) while not addressing the real problem(Whipsawing) is playing right into managments hands.

Now "bone up" a little before you give your opinion or stay on the porch!

 

[JohnDoe]

I rest my case....lol

 

[spinproof]

...yeah mine too Dhead!!

 

[surplus1]

Fins,

ALPA has polled the membership a couple of times in recent months as to what our collective concerns are, including issues important to furloughees. There has been NO mention of J4J or anything even close to that. There are no rumors to that effect either. Again, I think the collective DCI Consipiracy theorists are being paranoid right now. Hard not to be, I understand, but I think its unfounded.

The negotiating committee sends us updates on what they are working on and there's no mention of anything like that.

Vortilon,

I believe you. The only problem is you believe them. ALPA speaks with forked tongue.

It's not good to be parnoid when you think they're out to get you. It is wise to be paranoid when you know they are.

 

[General Lee]

Surplus1,


Come on now. Look my frined, we are the ones who have suffered greatly over the last three years---while you and DCI have enjoyed record growth and upgrades. You have. We have had terrible furloughs--for both pilots and stews---and now we are renegotiating and restructuring. Dalpa is trying to do the best they can with this nightmare. We still have 1020 pilots furloughed, and we would like to get them back. I don't think that is too much to ask for, right? But, do they all have to go to the right seat of your airplane? Your airplanes effectively replaced our airplanes that we parked--and now with the pax back, we really need them back(seats). But, I doubt we will be seeing any 727s and L1011s or MD11s back any time soon. So, any new airplanes will help bring back those unfortunate furloughed pilots that deserve to come back after a long 3 year break. That is the right thing to do---and I think you know it. You seem like a sensible guy, and you can see that we need to bring back these people that have had a terrible last three years. I doubt Dalpa and the MEC will be going after your current airplanes---but future ones would help those 1020 come back and fly for a living again.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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General:

Have you forgotten that your MEC is responsible for this alter ego mess?

Its hard to feel too sorry for the Delta pilots when they got exactly what they negotiated for.

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[DenverDude2002]

BRING BACK THE L1011 TRISTAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

(sorry couldnt resist )

But in all seriousness Id love to see Delta bring back a few 727s or L1011s, I miss seeing those old classics a lot. And most of my widebody pax time was on the L1011

 

[General Lee]

Denverdude,

From what I have heard and seen (many many L1011 jumpseats from MCO to ATL a few years ago)--the L1011 was a joy to fly. That would be great, but I doubt it. Now the 727 on the other hand, was a pain in the a$$. I was an FE on it for 8 months, and I couldn't stand it. I swore that I would get off it after day 1 of the sims, and it took me 8 months to get to MCO, where I had to stay for another year. It wasn't as bad.


Fins,

Come on now, I know you don't like our MEC, but that doesn't change the fact that we have many people on the street that would like to come back. Maybe our scope policy was flawed, and maybe we should have tried to keep the CRJs on our side of the flying, and maybe we could have tried to staple you guys way back when...... What we are left with is a bunch of people that would like to get back into the cockpit.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

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Fins,

Come on now, I know you don't like our MEC, but that doesn't change the fact that we have many people on the street that would like to come back. Maybe our scope policy was flawed, and maybe we should have tried to keep the CRJs on our side of the flying, and maybe we could have tried to staple you guys way back when...... What we are left with is a bunch of people that would like to get back into the cockpit.

Bye Bye--General Lee

So, rather than try to fix the failed scope policy, your MEC continues down the same road, already paved with ALPA failures at US Air? The wrong course, is still the wrong course.

Then, there is the Duty of Fair Representation issue. ALPA is getting sued because it locked out the ASA and Comair pilots in the C2K contract while moving scope from 105 seats to 50 seats. Now why the Court is deciding the first DFR suit, the Delta MEC makes a move to capture the re-defined "Connection" flying, while the ASA and Comair MECs are still locked out.

So the MEC is repeating the conduct that the RJDC has accused them of - right under the watchful eye of the Court. What are they thinking?

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[Ganja60Heavy]

General Lee and all you Dalpa guys....lissen up....

YOU BLEW IT!

Your gamble (scope, no staple) failed. Period.

Now face the consequences.

If I go to Vegas and put $250,000 on one roulette spin and LOSE, do I then go to the casino manager and say something like "oh, comon, give me my money back!"

You LOST the bet.

And cut the "I care about the 1020 guys on the street" bullcrap. You care about YOU. Quit this politicking $hit. Makes us all sick. "The right thing to do" my EYE!

Funny how, when it suits you, this argument is about RIGHT vs WRONG

...and other times, you see it as NEGOTIATING regardless of right vs wrong.

Show some integrity. Jeez!

You haven't fooled me, even though you are seemingly logical and well-spoken.