DAL pilot

[General Lee]

Avratdwc,

Sure there are a lot of "unfortunates" out there, but Delta owns Comair and ASA, and ASA is allowing Delta guys to go there without giving up their senority. Obviously Delta wasn't mad about that and allowed it to happen. What is Comair's excuse? Ummmmm, it would cost too much...(to Comair and not ASA??) There really is no excuse. Sure, there are some scope problems with Delta Alpa and Comair---but if I remember right we just gave in and bumped up the percentages from 36% to 44% of our flying---which is HUGE. That was probably 300 free upgrades on the RJ. I know that you guys are profitable right now and that helps, but you are not as restricted anymore. I know you said you were a young guy and might not care as much as other people. Wait until you are in your mid thirties, have two kids and a wife, a house near CVG--and it's time for more. A second year Delta pilot makes more than a 12 year Comair Capt (unless he is furloughed). That will not change, ever. And the COEX problem is different than the Delta Comair one. The bottom guys at COEX probably went to COEX at the time ( pre-9-11) because there was a Flow-up to CAL. They knew there was a chance of a flow back. There is no chance any Comair guy will get bumped from their spot----the Delta furloughs would go to the BOTTOM. There is no excuse. And now the ASA guys will get some sort of preferential hiring---along with military guys. Hey, I flew for a regional, and half of my class at Delta was military. That seems fair.

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[CRJFlyer]

Ahh.. a fellow lifter, thats good to hear...but I wasn't talking about squatting...haha j/j

With all due respect to everyone, Delta or not, I'm all for hiring anybody, and I definitely didn't get to put in a vote as to whether or not Comair hires DAL... If it came down to a vote i would definitely vote to have DAL pilots come onto Comair, and so would everyone else I've talked to(as long as they would be atleast somewhat happy to be here and not condescending, I haven't witnessed it but I heard that alot of the Midway guys were that way when they first got here)....the more on the seniority list the better...But then I think you have some of the old grumpies over at Comair that for some reason or another want to screw Delta, and they are the ones with the vote I guess...

I'm not sure if its a new generation, but I'm pretty sure back in the day the regionals didn't have the equipment they do now..I loved the 1900 but don't think I could have spent more than a few more years in it. Maybe that is why more people are staying at the regional level now than before...that and the majors haven't hired in over a year and a half..

 

[NYRANGERS]

Ahh.. a fellow lifter, thats good to hear...but I wasn't talking about squatting...haha j/j

Good comeback. LOL

With all due respect to everyone, Delta or not, I'm all for hiring anybody, and I definitely didn't get to put in a vote as to whether or not Comair hires DAL... If it came down to a vote i would definitely vote to have DAL pilots come onto Comair, and so would everyone else I've talked to(as long as they would be atleast somewhat happy to be here and not condescending, I haven't witnessed it but I heard that alot of the Midway guys were that way when they first got here)....the more on the seniority list the better...But then I think you have some of the old grumpies over at Comair that for some reason or another want to screw Delta, and they are the ones with the vote I guess...

I'm not sure if its a new generation, but I'm pretty sure back in the day the regionals didn't have the equipment they do now..I loved the 1900 but don't think I could have spent more than a few more years in it. Maybe that is why more people are staying at the regional level now than before...that and the majors haven't hired in over a year and a half..

I don't think any Dal guy would be anthing but grateful to be able to fly for an outfit like comair, otherwise I hope they would not try to go there.

I know what you mean about guys talking **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** to eachother, and it has to stop. The job we all do is no different, we just work for different companys. I must say I have quite a few friends at comair that I would love to see at Delta, but with what is going on I see a problem arising for comair guys when we hire.

 

[CRJFlyer]

I was reading my previous posts and see I may not have correctly clarified myself earlier....

DAL737FO
" I don't care" ....was supposed to mean..."the topic is all I hear being talked about and since we at Comair didn't get a vote, or didn't even know the vote was taking place, or that any offer was even on the table I have trouble understanding why the hostility between pilots is exhisting when we should be aiming our focus towards the person or persons who actually sat at the table.


"I fly for fun" didn't mean I would do this job for free..it was supposed to mean that I want to enjoy my job, have a good time doing it, and like coming to work...Trust me I don't want to work, hate my job, retire at 60 and die at age 62...

In the end I wish for Delta pilots to come to Comair..heck maybe they could even get me up there one day with a recommendation...I also want to fly for for maybe not a major but fly a bigger plane atleast...if its for a major awesome, but if its for some upstart airline, that may be ok too...

NYRanger,
It is gonna be too bad if things between DAL and Comair remain this way...alot of good people will miss out, both us at Comair and even at Delta cause they may miss a chance to fly with some good guys...well, mostly me but, I'm trying to keep my head from getting stuck in the doorway...ha...well actually the FA's will miss the chance...oh that was a good one..I'll leave on that one..

 

[Broke in CVG]

If it had gone to a vote by the Comair pilots it would have passed with a higher percent than the last POS which is now our contract. Some times you have to take the high road and do what is right and in my opinion, our MEC failed to do that.

JC (the MEC) chairman is a pure politician through and through and I still believe that he thinks that DAL MEC will come back to negotiate something.... This is the same MEC that made me do the EMB and CRJ groundschools back to back for no other reason than to use it as a bargaining chip during negotiations.... and all for nothing.

Our MEC does their best for the Comair pilots, but I think that in this case what should have been a black and white issue was once again thought of as a bargaining chip.

To the DAL furloughees that wanted to come to Comair, my sincerest appologies... please direct your aggrevations to the correct place (not the pilot group that was unaware of the meeting until after the fact)

COMAIR MEC
AIR LINE PILOTS ASSOCIATION, INTERNATIONAL
SUITE 120 3940 OLYMPIC BOULEVARD ERLANGER, KY 41018
859-282-9016
FAX 859-283-5533

 

[Cliff]

fanman,

And being 24

I fly for fun,

Another one in the right seat of an CRJ working for free........

Step 1. You guys need to walk away from the slave labor deal you have until you get some real pay for the hardship and risk you take Daily...

Step 2. Fire ALPA!! They are a two headed snake who only work for the big boys- (which happen to be in the process of sticking it to you)....

You Delta guys need to stop trying to sh*t on the RJ types with the two headed ALPA coin you carry in your pocket...... You are on the street stay there... What gives you the right to fight against the RJ's one day, (with ALPA) then kick the Comair or ASA guys (also ALPA) out on the street because your out of work??? Suck it up and march like a man down to the unemployment office and get your check.. What you Delta guys need to be thinking about is how to change your work rules so you don't slash your companies throats.. No wonder SWA is kicking your as*es all over the US...

Yes I'm a member of a UNION....

 

[CRJFlyer]

Another one in the right seat of an CRJ working for free........


Not by choice...and not for free, well i guess 18K a year is about as free as you can get....I made as much flying a beech around...

 

[NYRANGERS]

NYRanger,
It is gonna be too bad if things between DAL and Comair remain this way...alot of good people will miss out, both us at Comair and even at Delta cause they may miss a chance to fly with some good guys...well, mostly me but, I'm trying to keep my head from getting stuck in the doorway...ha...well actually the FA's will miss the chance...oh that was a good one..I'll leave on that one..

It's all just a bitch fest. It sounds like you are good people and I hope to see you at Delta one day. You have the attitude to make it, I may be able to help, PM me sometime.

 

[NYRANGERS]

Another one in the right seat of an CRJ working for free........


Yes I'm a member of a UNION....

This still doesn't mean you are not an ALPA scab. Are you?

 

[Freight Dog]

If majority of rank-and-file CMR pilots believe their MEC is wrong, and that if it had gone to a vote that it would pass by a higher margin than the contract, they should contact Capt. Lawson and demand he changes that stance. I know if I was a Comair pilot, Capt. Lawson would get an earful.

Something to be said for Strength From Within

 

[cocknbull]

I'm not a Comair pilot and I'm not a Delta pilot however I was a flight instructor here in the Cincinnati area during the Comair. All I can say is we had a stack of Comair pilot resumes. Some instructors were pissed that we hired a few of them. They took flying away from us. The worsed part about it was is we only made about 15K a year. These guys got strike pay and were only doing it to kill time. Personally I welcomed some of the instructors. The only reason was that many of the instructors around here trained at crappy part 61 schools and they just flat out suck. The guys we hired were Comair academy guys and Embry-Riddle guys. They helped bring the level of instruction up ten full. Although this was good instructing was a last resort for them and they really screwed some of the young guys who were just trying to pay bills and get flight time. Everyone at Comair thinks that they are some self made company. The only reason Comair is not a Mesa or a Piedmont is because of the way Delta's management and Pilots treated you while you were still growing. Comair rode Delta's coat tail with little risk. The least your MEC can do is return the favor and help some of the Delta pilots out when they need them.

 

[cocknbull]

Opps I forgot the word "strike" after Comair.

 

[ACE]

Here we go Delta pilots whining again when they don't get there way.

 

[General Lee]

CRJ Flyer,

I know you want to have fun while flying, and that is good. I enjoyed flying in the regionals, even though some of the seven leg days were long. I enjoyed the people and the planes. But, then I went to Delta and three short years later I was flying in a BIG plane (767-300) that was a handful, and flying it over the beach and landing it in Bermuda. I am not trying to brag, but if you think you are having fun now, think about somewhere where you are actually paid very well to have fun flying to nice places. ( I know, I think you go to NAS from MCO---which is nice)
Do you want a chance to fly something like that? What you and the other Comair pilots need to do is raise a stink to your MEC.
I want to help my friends on furlough, and I think some of them would like to fly again, even if it is on the bottom of your list.

Broke in CVG,

You need to say something to your MEC, because if our MEC cannot get anywhere with him, how can we? It is obvious that your MEC would never want to fly FO on a Delta plane. That is dangerous for everyone at Comair who does. He is not thinking about YOUR interests, only the 100 top guys at Comair that are too proud to fly FO on an MD88---for more pay. Our MEC offered preferential hiring to COMAIR and ASA pilots when things turn around, and only ASA stepped up to the plate. When thing do turn around there will eventually be hiring and about half will be ASA guys/girls, and the other half will be Military and some other lucky regional guys. You need to say something to Lawson because he will not help pay your big mortgage in 10 years.

Cliff,

You are uninformed. The Delta furloughs would not kick RJ guys out on the street, they would go to the bottom of the list? Who would that hurt, especially if they are hiring 40-50 a month? They were offered something like preferential hiring to allow our guys to go to the BOTTOM? So, you want them to "suck it up" and march to the unemployment line? Well, they might do that for a while, but eventually they will pass your a$$ in their new Porsche. And, you want our guys to change some work rules. Hmmm. Sounds like Delta is in such dire straits----they still have enough money to buy $1.1 billion worth of new RJ's this year alone, and have $2.6 billion in cash, with another $2 Billion in equity to mortgage if they have too. What work rules do you want us to change? Fly more? Nope, not with guys out. Pay cut? How about management also, and Comair and ASA guys--just to keep it fair. What else Cliff?

Bye Bye---General Lee

 

[100LL... Again!]

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...but eventually they will pass your a$$ in their new Porsche.
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And that, really, is how you know that they are superior to you. NOT only as pilots, but as human beings.