DAL/Expressjet NO More

[goahead]

http://biz.yahoo.com/pz/080703/145811.html

 

[Cpt Oveur]

hmmm, who has ERJs available to fly, and in Delta colors already??????

 

[outtahere]

Why does it need to be erj's?? Besides, come Sep. everyone will have spare A/C. I would really like to see ASA secure this flying, but I have this funny feeling that the ********************bags over in SLC will pick it up!

 

[propsarebest]

Its obvious who the SLC flying is going to be allocated to. The press release specifically only mentions SLC flying as being "reassigned". I wonder who will take over LAX flying?

 

[Superpilot92]

Its obvious who the SLC flying is going to be allocated to. The press release specifically only mentions SLC flying as being "reassigned". I wonder who will take over LAX flying?

NWA DC9s and or airbuses

 

[CFI2766]

Why does it need to be erj's?? Besides, come Sep. everyone will have spare A/C. I would really like to see ASA secure this flying, but I have this funny feeling that the ********************bags over in SLC will pick it up!

I doubt ASA would re-open a SLC base, which would seem to be the only way to make it work.

However, if SKYW took over that flying, maybe, just maybe, we would see less of their jets out here on this side of the Mississippi and more ASA aircraft on those routes.

 

[MJ42]

NWA DC9s and or airbuses

As it SHOULD BE and always HAVE BEEN!

 

[Cpt Oveur]

Someone is going to take the LAX flying. Delta has publicly said many times, most recently in the AJC as well as USA today, that it does not want to downsize LAX like it has decided to do with MCO. If anything, the DCI flying is merely holding the gate space until mainline can absorb it. It's a no brainer that Skywest is the front runner for that flying.

 

[CX880]

Good luck to Expressjet guys and gals, I know a few at LAX/ONT.

 

[jstyle13]

I doubt ASA would re-open a SLC base, which would seem to be the only way to make it work....

Yes let's all remember what Uncle Jerry said to the pilots here at ASA several years back about why he decided to shut down the ASA base in SLC: "We shut it down because it was cost-inneffective to have crew bases for both ASA and SkyWest running feed for Delta in the same domicile"

So using his logic there won't be a base for ASA in SLC, or for that matter a base for Skywest here in ATL.......wait a sec........

 

[saab fixr]

mmm Republic has spares ready to go. most have been painted white and with some of them coming off line to be replaced by 175s

 

[DoinTime]

Its sad to read these pathetic remarks about who is going to pick up this flying. What a bunch of vultures you are. It should be a sad day for us all to see the best paid pilots in our segment of the industry taking a blow like this. Its no wonder we all work for the pitiful scraps left behind in the wake of industry turmoil.

 

[Medeco]

Whoever agrees to pickp the fuel cost will get it.

If nobody agrees then they will put the lowest bid with the highest performance.

I'd put money on Skywest. Unless they want first class cabin, then republic.

Strong arming from Delta will be part of the RFP.

Medeco

 

[JoeMerchant]

Its sad to read these pathetic remarks about who is going to pick up this flying. What a bunch of vultures you are. It should be a sad day for us all to see the best paid pilots in our segment of the industry taking a blow like this. Its no wonder we all work for the pitiful scraps left behind in the wake of industry turmoil.

....as when CMR, ALG, PDT, Air Wisconsin and ACA all lost flying...This has been going on for some time and will continue to as long as ALPA ignores brand scope.....The current environment is every man for themselves....It hasn't paid to be "the best paid" for quite some time.....

It's very simple....Either we bargain as ONE unit at each brand or we bargain SEPARATELY within each brand and do what is best for number 1.....and that ain't the other guy....Which will it be?

 

[flyf15]

Another airline might get this flying, but its not going to mean Delta will be taking on any more 50 seaters... any flying you get here is going to be at the expense of loosing other flying. Its merely going to be a shift of airplanes from one set of routes to another.

So, don't get too excited.

 

[GINCHBLASTER]

Another airline might get this flying, but its not going to mean Delta will be taking on any more 50 seaters... any flying you get here is going to be at the expense of loosing other flying. Its merely going to be a shift of airplanes from one set of routes to another.

So, don't get too excited.

Damn that loose flying!

In all seriousness though sorry to hear for the ExpressJet guys.

 

[johnsonrod]

Watch Colgan transfer Saabs from LGA to LAX. You heard it here first...

 

[TOOL CRIB]

From a Delta press release:

"With the losses we were experiencing from our Delta pro-rate flying combined with our ability to return aircraft to the lessor, this termination of service is in the best interest of our company," said Jim Ream, ExpressJet President and Chief Executive Officer.
After Sept. 1, ExpressJet will retain the 23 ERJ-145 aircraft it currently flies Delta Connection.

 

[CFI2766]

....as when CMR, ALG, PDT, Air Wisconsin and ACA all lost flying...This has been going on for some time and will continue to as long as ALPA ignores brand scope.....The current environment is every man for themselves....It hasn't paid to be "the best paid" for quite some time.....

It's very simple....Either we bargain as ONE unit at each brand or we bargain SEPARATELY within each brand and do what is best for number 1.....and that ain't the other guy....Which will it be?

Well, past and current events point towards each brand doing what is best for #1....which ain't the other guy. For the average American, is that right? Is that wrong? Depends on your beliefs.

For the pilot group, it's clearly a negative to have to fight other pilots for the award to do the cheapest flying. Unfortunatetly, I think the train has already left on brand scope. Not to absolve them from blame, but there is nothing that ALPA or any other union could do at this time to instill or force a unity amongst pilot groups. Without the ability to conduct an organized strike, there is no serious financial motivation for management to actually negotiate with pilot groups. Sure, we can 'work to rule' and 'fly safe', and these things have helped with ASA's negotiations, but not to the effect of an organized, specific work stoppage.

So, the average pilot asks him/herself, what good is ALPA (fill in the name of union here: Teamsters/SWAPA/girl scouts/etc...)? Sure, there are several things that ALPA does well. However, the main thing that pilots want and need a collective bargaining umbrella to do, i.e. increase wages and quality of life, ALPA can not do.

 

[CFI2766]

It should be acknowledged that it stinks that well-compensated pilots (XJT) will be harmed by this. I don't like the idea of another pilot out of work, and I certainly wouldn't (won't?) delight in doing work that was once done by someone else.

It's a harsh reality.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Let's not forget that XJT replaced ASA in LAX and Skywest in SLC....XJT underbid Skywest for the flying.....Welcome to RFPs and bidding...Hopefully some or all of this will come back to Skywest Inc.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Well, past and current events point towards each brand doing what is best for #1....which ain't the other guy. For the average American, is that right? Is that wrong? Depends on your beliefs.

For the pilot group, it's clearly a negative to have to fight other pilots for the award to do the cheapest flying. Unfortunatetly, I think the train has already left on brand scope. Not to absolve them from blame, but there is nothing that ALPA or any other union could do at this time to instill or force a unity amongst pilot groups. Without the ability to conduct an organized strike, there is no serious financial motivation for management to actually negotiate with pilot groups. Sure, we can 'work to rule' and 'fly safe', and these things have helped with ASA's negotiations, but not to the effect of an organized, specific work stoppage.

So, the average pilot asks him/herself, what good is ALPA (fill in the name of union here: Teamsters/SWAPA/girl scouts/etc...)? Sure, there are several things that ALPA does well. However, the main thing that pilots want and need a collective bargaining umbrella to do, i.e. increase wages and quality of life, ALPA can not do.

You may very well be right....If that is the case, then we all must do what is best for our individual companies....and in this environment any growth will come at someone elses expense....

 

[145BOSS]

Expressjet didn't have much of a choice. In the new capacity agreement with Continental, all the flying is to be done by the LR and XR models. To get the extra aircraft to comply with the agreement XJT had two options; end the agreement with Delta or end their own branded flying, which we all know is a cashcow...

 

[MJ42]

It should be acknowledged that it stinks that well-compensated pilots (XJT) will be harmed by this. I don't like the idea of another pilot out of work, and I certainly wouldn't (won't?) delight in doing work that was once done by someone else.

It's a harsh reality.

Like: 950 UAL pilots
180 Air Tran pilots
300 US Airways pilots
up to 500 CAL pilots

 

[JoeMerchant]

Like: 950 UAL pilots
180 Air Tran pilots
300 US Airways pilots
up to 500 CAL pilots

Actually you could say...

About 5,000 UAL
About 2,000 USAir
About 5,000 AMR
About 5,000 DAL

Look at the seniority lists of these companies in 2000....Looks like "scope" isn't working for either side of the fence....ALPA and the mainlines were warned.....

 

[TNPILOT]

Expressjet didn't have much of a choice. In the new capacity agreement with Continental, all the flying is to be done by the LR and XR models. To get the extra aircraft to comply with the agreement XJT had two options; end the agreement with Delta or end their own branded flying, which we all know is a cashcow...

I think you can count on the branded flying ending as well come January. Aircraft will be put into the CAL operation which is set at 205 aircraft for the next year and 190 after that. Some of the extra aircraft will go to the charter division which is growing. Furloughs will result from the parking of the 135s and perhaps the EPs.

 

[Texx]

Pick one...

1. The flying goes to Skywest Airlines BUT do they have enough airframes to cover the flying? If not, where would they come OR be transferred from?

2. JO puts all EMB pilots on RES for the month of July.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/mesa.html
"Ornstein predicts an "amicable solution."
Could the solution be a backfill with Freedom?

There will not be a new airline added to the group as stated by DAL that they are going to trim the number.

Remember,
"ExpressJet Delta Connection, chiefly operating out of Los Angeles and Salt Lake City, will cease by Sept. 1, the airlines said."

Someone is going to have to move very, very fast to start an operation.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Pick one...

1. The flying goes to Skywest Airlines BUT do they have enough airframes to cover the flying? If not, where would they come OR be transferred from?

2. JO puts all EMB pilots on RES for the month of July.
http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/airlines/major-national-lcc/mesa.html
"Ornstein predicts an "amicable solution."

There will not be a new airline added to the group as stated by DAL that they are going to trim the nuumber.

I'll take 1....but wouldn't be surprised at 2......

 

[cfi_greg]

It should be acknowledged that it stinks that well-compensated pilots (XJT) will be harmed by this. I don't like the idea of another pilot out of work, and I certainly wouldn't (won't?) delight in doing work that was once done by someone else.

It's a harsh reality.

This flying was already done by somebody else before XJT took it.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Pick one...

1. The flying goes to Skywest Airlines BUT do they have enough airframes to cover the flying? If not, where would they come OR be transferred from?

Last I checked, SkyWest's current DL operation is running at the minimum required flights per day as outlined in the contract...much, much fewer DLC flights per day than last summer with the same amount of airframes. Therefore, SKW has a bunch of under-utilized airdraft in the SLC system. As far as I can tell, a quick September sked re-work and SKW wouldn't have to find any planes...and might still have a spare or two.