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[licorice]

IF and thats a big IF there arent sufficient bidders for a fenced position than the other side would be able to bid for the unfilled positions.

I dont see this happening though because I'm sure enough people will bid it.

Correct me if I am wrong (and I may be), but another disincentive for people thinking there will be insufficient bidders is that, no matter how system-senior that (fenced off) bidder is that does manage to get an award on an insufficient bid....he will be placed at the bottom of that category position for bidding purposes....ie. in DTW, if the #1 system seniority fNWA capt got 777A on an insufficient bid, he would go below all fDAL 777As in DTW, no matter how junior their system seniority is...and vice-versa for fDAL bidding for 744 and 787 positions..

 

[NuGuy]

Correct me if I am wrong (and I may be), but another disincentive for people thinking there will be insufficient bidders is that, no matter how system-senior that (fenced off) bidder is that does manage to get an award on an insufficient bid....he will be placed at the bottom of that category position for bidding purposes....ie. in DTW, if the #1 system seniority fNWA capt got 777A on an insufficient bid, he would go below all fDAL 777As in DTW, no matter how junior their system seniority is...and vice-versa for fDAL bidding for 744 and 787 positions..

Heyas Licorice,

That's not how it works.

The only thing that is affected by the fence is an award or a displacement.

Assuming a NWA guy got a 777 award because of insufficient bidders, he would bid everything else in his normal seniority. If he was the most senior, he would bid #1 for schedules, vacations and everything else.

However, if a displacement occurred in the position, he would be the first to get displaced, ASSUMING he was the only person with an insufficient bidder award.

This went on for years with the fence at NWA. Greenbook guys would wait years and years for a widebody slot while redbook guys years their junior held them. But once they got an award, they would bid at the top because their "normal" seniority took over once they got in the seat.

The current SLI award works in exactly the same way. This has been asked and answered on the ALPA forum.

Nu

 

[twobits]

....which brings up a good point - why are we even having this discussion here, when the ALPA forum is available?

 

[Monster Buck]

because they suck and are over regulated!

 

[GogglesPisano]

Guys, DALPA has put out a great guide on AE, MD, VD bidding on the DALPA pilots' website. I strongly recommend downloading it and reading it on yoyur next trip. All your answers can be found in it.

 

[michael707767]

Correct me if I am wrong (and I may be), but another disincentive for people thinking there will be insufficient bidders is that, no matter how system-senior that (fenced off) bidder is that does manage to get an award on an insufficient bid....he will be placed at the bottom of that category position for bidding purposes....ie. in DTW, if the #1 system seniority fNWA capt got 777A on an insufficient bid, he would go below all fDAL 777As in DTW, no matter how junior their system seniority is...and vice-versa for fDAL bidding for 744 and 787 positions..

There will be plenty of bidders. Non issue.

 

[Rebound]

Any word on future plans with the 88 in ATL? I heard they are considering swapping some DC9's for 88's in ATL.

 

[licorice]

Heyas Licorice,

That's not how it works.

The only thing that is affected by the fence is an award or a displacement.



Nu

OK, I knew their seniority was affected somehow...I stand corrected.....

 

[General Lee]

Correct me if I am wrong (and I may be), but another disincentive for people thinking there will be insufficient bidders is that, no matter how system-senior that (fenced off) bidder is that does manage to get an award on an insufficient bid....he will be placed at the bottom of that category position for bidding purposes....ie. in DTW, if the #1 system seniority fNWA capt got 777A on an insufficient bid, he would go below all fDAL 777As in DTW, no matter how junior their system seniority is...and vice-versa for fDAL bidding for 744 and 787 positions..

As Michael707 states, this will be a non-issue. People will follow the money. Those 777 slots would be filled, even if it meant commuting to Akron or Flint.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Cobraair75drvr]

What about Lbb?

As Michael707 states, this will be a non-issue. People will follow the money. Those 777 slots would be filled, even if it meant commuting to Akron or Flint.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

FWIW, I am a 2000 hire with ~~1100 Delta guys below me. I put DTW 777B in as a 4th choice. However, there are 60+ bubbas senior to me with it as a priority. That doesn't included folk that have it as a displacement priority.

Looks like I probably won't hold it, so, it certainly will not make it out the bottom and over the fence.

(personally, I think that being that the 747-400 and 777 pay the same, and we have an equal number of jets, just remove the fence and its animosity (sp).

 

[Helos2Galaxy]

As of now it is well over 100 senior to me (29 have it as first choice) requesting 777 co pilot in DTW.

 

[clippyrip]

(personally, I think that being that the 747-400 and 777 pay the same, and we have an equal number of jets, just remove the fence and its animosity (sp).

An interesting note is the A330 is not fenced and will soon see some DAL bubbas onboard. I'm curious to see how long it takes them to squawk that there are more seats on it than the 767-400 and they want a pay increase. What was good for the goose in SLI is about to bite the goose post SOC. Good job boys, you screwed yourself.

 

[Noserider76]

An interesting note is the A330 is not fenced and will soon see some DAL bubbas onboard. I'm curious to see how long it takes them to squawk that there are more seats on it than the 767-400 and they want a pay increase. What was good for the goose in SLI is about to bite the goose post SOC. Good job boys, you screwed yourself.

Seats? We're paid by the number of seats? I didn't think so.

 

[clippyrip]

Seats? We're paid by the number of seats? I didn't think so.

Do you think the 330 and 764 are on par with each other?