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GogglesPisano said:
ALV. When you finish your checkride and are awaiting OE, you are free to bid "high credit" and get the upper limit of the LCW while you wait 6 months for OE on the ER. :beer:
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but what do you get while going through training? thanks for the info
 
Superpilot92 said:
but what do you get while going through training? thanks for the info
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I believe you get the ALV for whatever seat you are in, pro-rated for any flying you have already done for the bid period. After your "conversion date" you get your new payrate and ALV for the aircraft you are training in. The conversion date may or not occur during training.
 
GogglesPisano said:
I believe you get the ALV for whatever seat you are in, pro-rated for any flying you have already done for the bid period. After your "conversion date" you get your new payrate and ALV for the aircraft you are training in. The conversion date may or not occur during training.
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thanks
 
atl capt -142
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dtw capt +25
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mem fo +2

msp capt +53
msp fo +88

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The way i read it, we are overstaffed currently, but in summer we will temporarily be understaffed due to the large training volume, etc... If you look at the December number, 1800 pilots fat - correct me if I'm wrong.
 
twobits said:
The way i read it, we are overstaffed currently, but in summer we will temporarily be understaffed due to the large training volume, etc... If you look at the December number, 1800 pilots fat - correct me if I'm wrong.
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Depends on which you see... required staffing and projected staffing are 2 different things on the 22WD reports....


The "required" (first chart) is simply a base formula. The airline could not function at that staffing level. The second chart is a realistic one.

I had the same "holy crap!" moment when I first saw them a few AE's ago before it was explained to me.
 
Guys - fight for overstaffing. Whenever the management says "we are staffed just right" - you are way understaffed!
87 hour lines and almost illegal reserves - been there..
 
Hello guys....

Quick question. To bid a percentage of the category for vd/md, etc...how is that accomplished? For example, if I want to bid the bus in dtw, but only if I am 30% from the bottom to get in lineholder area, how do I bid that? 70% or 30%? Thanks in advance.
 
Tanker1497 said:
Quick question. To bid a percentage of the category for vd/md, etc...how is that accomplished? For example, if I want to bid the bus in dtw, but only if I am 30% from the bottom to get in lineholder area, how do I bid that? 70% or 30%? Thanks in advance.
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Putting 70 on your bid means that you want to be in the top 70%. Answer: 70.
 
1st Rate said:
It's got to be a good thing. Good for DAL!
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Not if Republic becomes your partner. He will start using Airbus and Ejets at lower labor rates....PRAY THIS DOES NOT HAPPEN WITH DELTA or AIRTRAN because the downward spiral will continue and our professions will become attacked again..

Article on yahoo-->""The company must also choose which alliance partner it will keep. Midwest had a relationship with Delta through an investment made by Northwest and TPG partners. Frontier has a relationship with AirTran. “We are going to have to figure out who our dance partner is in 2010 and combine that option as well,” he said. For AirTran, the Frontier partnership is less strategic than it was at formation given its expansion plans which has made it a coast-to-coast carrier.""

Bryan Bedford is eyeing SKYTEAM>


CYA
 
Superpilot92 said:
IF and thats a big IF there arent sufficient bidders for a fenced position than the other side would be able to bid for the unfilled positions.

I dont see this happening though because I'm sure enough people will bid it.
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Correct me if I am wrong (and I may be), but another disincentive for people thinking there will be insufficient bidders is that, no matter how system-senior that (fenced off) bidder is that does manage to get an award on an insufficient bid....he will be placed at the bottom of that category position for bidding purposes....ie. in DTW, if the #1 system seniority fNWA capt got 777A on an insufficient bid, he would go below all fDAL 777As in DTW, no matter how junior their system seniority is...and vice-versa for fDAL bidding for 744 and 787 positions..
 
licorice said:
Correct me if I am wrong (and I may be), but another disincentive for people thinking there will be insufficient bidders is that, no matter how system-senior that (fenced off) bidder is that does manage to get an award on an insufficient bid....he will be placed at the bottom of that category position for bidding purposes....ie. in DTW, if the #1 system seniority fNWA capt got 777A on an insufficient bid, he would go below all fDAL 777As in DTW, no matter how junior their system seniority is...and vice-versa for fDAL bidding for 744 and 787 positions..
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Heyas Licorice,

That's not how it works.

The only thing that is affected by the fence is an award or a displacement.

Assuming a NWA guy got a 777 award because of insufficient bidders, he would bid everything else in his normal seniority. If he was the most senior, he would bid #1 for schedules, vacations and everything else.

However, if a displacement occurred in the position, he would be the first to get displaced, ASSUMING he was the only person with an insufficient bidder award.

This went on for years with the fence at NWA. Greenbook guys would wait years and years for a widebody slot while redbook guys years their junior held them. But once they got an award, they would bid at the top because their "normal" seniority took over once they got in the seat.

The current SLI award works in exactly the same way. This has been asked and answered on the ALPA forum.

Nu
 
....which brings up a good point - why are we even having this discussion here, when the ALPA forum is available?
 
Guys, DALPA has put out a great guide on AE, MD, VD bidding on the DALPA pilots' website. I strongly recommend downloading it and reading it on yoyur next trip. All your answers can be found in it.
 
licorice said:
Correct me if I am wrong (and I may be), but another disincentive for people thinking there will be insufficient bidders is that, no matter how system-senior that (fenced off) bidder is that does manage to get an award on an insufficient bid....he will be placed at the bottom of that category position for bidding purposes....ie. in DTW, if the #1 system seniority fNWA capt got 777A on an insufficient bid, he would go below all fDAL 777As in DTW, no matter how junior their system seniority is...and vice-versa for fDAL bidding for 744 and 787 positions..
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There will be plenty of bidders. Non issue.
 
licorice said:
Correct me if I am wrong (and I may be), but another disincentive for people thinking there will be insufficient bidders is that, no matter how system-senior that (fenced off) bidder is that does manage to get an award on an insufficient bid....he will be placed at the bottom of that category position for bidding purposes....ie. in DTW, if the #1 system seniority fNWA capt got 777A on an insufficient bid, he would go below all fDAL 777As in DTW, no matter how junior their system seniority is...and vice-versa for fDAL bidding for 744 and 787 positions..
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As Michael707 states, this will be a non-issue. People will follow the money. Those 777 slots would be filled, even if it meant commuting to Akron or Flint.


Bye Bye--General Lee
 
FWIW, I am a 2000 hire with ~~1100 Delta guys below me. I put DTW 777B in as a 4th choice. However, there are 60+ bubbas senior to me with it as a priority. That doesn't included folk that have it as a displacement priority.

Looks like I probably won't hold it, so, it certainly will not make it out the bottom and over the fence.

(personally, I think that being that the 747-400 and 777 pay the same, and we have an equal number of jets, just remove the fence and its animosity (sp).
 
Helos2Galaxy said:
(personally, I think that being that the 747-400 and 777 pay the same, and we have an equal number of jets, just remove the fence and its animosity (sp).
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An interesting note is the A330 is not fenced and will soon see some DAL bubbas onboard. I'm curious to see how long it takes them to squawk that there are more seats on it than the 767-400 and they want a pay increase. What was good for the goose in SLI is about to bite the goose post SOC. Good job boys, you screwed yourself.
 
clippyrip said:
An interesting note is the A330 is not fenced and will soon see some DAL bubbas onboard. I'm curious to see how long it takes them to squawk that there are more seats on it than the 767-400 and they want a pay increase. What was good for the goose in SLI is about to bite the goose post SOC. Good job boys, you screwed yourself.
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Seats? We're paid by the number of seats? I didn't think so.
 

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