CRJ vs. ERJ

[LegacyIIDriver]

2/3 is actually 66.6%, but whatever

The forward seats by the galley do not have opposite aisle counterparts. The percentage is higher thant 67%. Do I have to get a diagram of the layout and a calculator?

 

[LegacyIIDriver]

Citation X But of course we're doing 350

That's not an airplane, that's a rocket.

 

[JetPilot_Mike]

Didn't an ERJ break in half one time during a landing?

 

[LegacyIIDriver]

Didn't an ERJ break in half one time during a landing?

Yeah, after exceeding the design load by seven times.

The airplane taxied off the runway with no fatalities and only a few minor injuries.

The Rate of Descent at "touchdown" was over 3500'/min.

 

[ILStoMinimums]

There are a number of guys on here that have flown both....I'm sure it would be much easier to say which one is better, having flown both.

 

[Cloudroller]

Hey, LegacyIIDriver. The CRJ700 is not a streched 200 - not even close. I am sure your looking it up right now. And if your not - go look it up. Last time i checked it had belly cargo, And it has no problem doing .84 all day long.

 

[Crossky]

Yeah, after exceeding the design load by seven times.

The airplane taxied off the runway with no fatalities and only a few minor injuries.

The Rate of Descent at "touchdown" was over 3500'/min.

Mesa did it once but it didn't break off (tail strike, the crew passed it of as good (night time post flight)and the next crew noticed it. The ERJ is a little flimsy, ever notice the horizontal tail vibrating in an MD-80's exhuast wake while in line for TO? Shades of Tomahawks.

Hey what are those strakes (and what are they for) on the outer leading edge of the wing painted yellow? I'm glad they're painted, otherwise they could impale some poor Eagle FO and put him out of his misery. JK, y'all do a good job.

ERJ: lots more seat room, width and legroom, better windows too.

Better Avionics and Cockpit: CRJ, but can the ERJ do true VNAV or just advisory like the CRJ? One other thing the CRJ could do better is intercepting and transitioning from FMS NAV to LOC/GS NAV. To intercept with wind correction you have to intercept with white needles (FMS) and then switch to green (LOC/GS), otherwise you have fun watching george figure the WCA. Does the ERJ auto transfer from 'white to green' on an ILS?

Haven't flown the ERJ, but the CRJ isn't the easiest to hand fly. Roll rate is nuts, and it's hard to trim out hands off, the null zone when trimmed is 1" play in the column. I've been told that 737's are easier. But, a jet is not a C172 or a Beech 1900, so we shouldn't expect it to fly like it.

 

[Capt. Caucasian]

Yes, the ERJ has the same problem intercepting the LOC with a little bit of wind. My solution is to use Heading mode and shallow out the angle if able, or I hand fly it. And as far as hand flying, I think it is very easy to get it trimmed up and fly hands off (if you really wanted too ).

Now, I am all for simplicity so I like the fact that we only have five screens. That is just less stuff they can ask you on an oral. But that is just personal preference. As far as comfort in our cockpit, I think it is better than the 737-200 and yes I have flown both. However, if the seats are old then the cushioning gets pretty darn flat. Also, the seats recline ALL the way back.

And, those yellow vortilons are there for low speeds since there are not any LE devices. I have heard that the FAA required them to be yellow so no one gets impaled on them.

Its all just personal preference though. Notice that I did not compare the ERJ to the CRJ. Since I have never flown the CRJ I am unable to comment.

 

[LegacyIIDriver]

Double post.

 

[LegacyIIDriver]

Hey, LegacyIIDriver. The CRJ700 is not a streched 200 - not even close. I am sure your looking it up right now. And if your not - go look it up. Last time i checked it had belly cargo, And it has no problem doing .84 all day long.

I am speaking in terms of passenger comfort. It is just as cramped and miserable in back as the 50-seater is.

Anyone can tell by looking at the landing gear alone that there were changes made to the airplane. But it's still an uncomfortable tube with more seats. The ERJ is roomier and the 170 simply blows it away.

 

[LegacyIIDriver]

The yellow things are called VORTILONS and they are there to energize airflow over the ailerons at low speeds and high AOA (even the mighty Gulfstream IV has them). It was either that or go with roll spoilers and that would have been more complexity than the airplane needed. They are not YELLOW on the Legacy.

Intercepting the LOC is easy. Just go to CAT II mode (set both RAs below 200 Feet and have both NAV 1 and NAV 2 tuned to the ILS/LOC). In my experience, particularly on the 140--and this may just be a fluke--the airplane flies the LOC a bit tighter in CAT II mode. Again, it may just be perception rather than reality, but try it on for size...

 

[Dragonbravo]

Cloudroller, actually the 700 is a stretch 200. The reason that is has a belly cargo is that the fuselage sits on top of the wing assembly as opposed to the wing passing though the fuselage on the 200. Ever notice the the 700 sits nose low? This is also why the windows are not so low in the 700 since the floor has been lowered because the wing isn't the way. The 700 goes .84 is because the fuselage has nothing to do with bigger engines.

 

[Flybet3]

I must say, if I was given a choice I would take the ERJ over the CRJ 200. The CRJ 200 has no power, once you get up at the 20's the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thing hardly climbs! Plus the ERJ lands like a real airplane with a bit higher nose attitude, the CRJ200 lands almost at a nose down attitude. When was the last time you saw a CRJ200 approach with a small flare??? it's a fun airplane, but the ERJ looks like a blast.The ERJ looks like a bullet with engines, plus the CRJ has the same engines as the Challenger!!! what kind of a SHI*** desing is that. They should've atleast given the **CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED****CENSORED** thing some bigger engines!

 

[pilotpayne]

This is so dumb....my airplane is cooler than yours....will this ever end.

by the way the crj is the best

 

[Nova]

The ERJ is a little flimsy, ever notice the horizontal tail vibrating in an MD-80's exhuast wake while in line for TO? Shades of Tomahawks.

The elevator doesn't shake because it's flimsy, it moves due to the "slack" permitted by the tensioners on the cables.

The yellow things are called VORTILONS and they are there to energize airflow over the ailerons at low speeds and high AOA (even the mighty Gulfstream IV has them).

The are there to energize the airflow UNDER the ailerons not over. They control span wise airflow. Any airflow OVER a wing would be aided by vortex generators.

It was either that or go with roll spoilers and that would have been more complexity than the airplane needed.

It's a weight issue not a complexity issue.

 

[CandlerWun]

Haven't flown the ERJ, but the CRJ isn't the easiest to hand fly. Roll rate is nuts, and it's hard to trim out hands off, the null zone when trimmed is 1" play in the column. I've been told that 737's are easier. But, a jet is not a C172 or a Beech 1900, so we shouldn't expect it to fly like it.

I can honestly say that I really don't enjoy hand-flying the CRJ at all. It has a numb feeling that makes hand-flying more of a chore than a pleasure. I was hoping this impression would wane as I gained experience in the airplane, but it hasn't. But, it almost pays the bills and I'm not flying for fun anymore, so I'm content.

Josh M.

 

[aewanabe]

The ERJ is actually "fun" to hand-fly. The elevator is completely manual, so the pitch feedback is direct. At low altitudes you can trim it hands-off with no sweat. Kinda feels like a big Baron in pitch.

Don't get me started on "George" tracking the LOC, or any VHF-based nav for that matter.....

 

[skyaddict]

I second the motion about that sloppy null zone for the CRJ in pitch trim. I can't compare it with any swept wing jet mind you, as the lions share of my jet time was the DoJet, which was much quicker to trim, IMO, although some of our birds were so beat up over the years that they also required an awful lot of ailron and rudder trim too.

 

[T-handle]

Dude, turboprops rule, always have, always will.

 

[Flyin Tony]

Im with T-handle