Crj-1000

[ACL65PILOT]

I watched mainline shrink in 2001 and DCI explode. I have a lot of friends over at ASA. It is a first class operation. I have no ill will towards you. I respect your MEC Chairman as well. Five years it too long.

I know where scope got sold. I am doing my part to try and reverse that trend. We do have some headwind to this, but we are also getting some support from some unlikely individuals.
It is going to take time. Lets fight together, not separate. There are going to be times where you have to realize that for the greater good there may be some perceived and real losses on both sides.
This is about getting your jets to the mainline cert. That in turn will put you guys here and make a larger and stronger group. Only through that process will we be able to dig ourselves out of this hole.

 

[Raskal]

I watched mainline shrink in 2001 and DCI explode. I have a lot of friends over at ASA. It is a first class operation. I have no ill will towards you. I respect your MEC Chairman as well. Five years it too long.

I know where scope got sold. I am doing my part to try and reverse that trend. We do have some headwind to this, but we are also getting some support from some unlikely individuals.
It is going to take time. Lets fight together, not separate. There are going to be times where you have to realize that for the greater good there may be some perceived and real losses on both sides.
This is about getting your jets to the mainline cert. That in turn will put you guys here and make a larger and stronger group. Only through that process will we be able to dig ourselves out of this hole.

I agree. I spent a recent flight in a 75 jumpseat talking to a 12yr NWA FO about this same issue and the conversation came to the same conclusion as your statement-the only way change will come is with a combined effort.

I am a low seniority capt. at a regional, but I am still interested in what happens with future aircraft and getting both them and myself to mainline. You may be surprised how many in my position are with you on this, the problem is young guys right now, their short-sightedness is unfortunate but I suppose to be expected.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes people will cut off their nose despite their face.

I was there, I know where you can get the mindset.
I left due to the long term issues with viability of the DCI business plan.
I also was very tired of flying 1000 hrs a year to see six figures.

 

[Twisted Mind]

I agree with ACL65PILOT except for the jets on main line cert part. Lets get ALL airplanes on the main line cert. T-props included.

 

[ehaecker]

I agree with ACL65PILOT except for the jets on main line cert part. Lets get ALL airplanes on the main line cert. T-props included.

Then Sully wouldn't be able to blame "inexperienced regional pilots" for any plane that crashes. Mainline pilots wouldn't throw themselves under the bus...

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

I agree with ACL65PILOT except for the jets on main line cert part. Lets get ALL airplanes on the main line cert. T-props included.

Absolutely agreed. That is going to be a long and multi-tiered battle, but I would truly love to see that outcome.

 

[cessnamann]

I agree. I spent a recent flight in a 75 jumpseat talking to a 12yr NWA FO about this same issue and the conversation came to the same conclusion as your statement-the only way change will come is with a combined effort.

I am a low seniority capt. at a regional, but I am still interested in what happens with future aircraft and getting both them and myself to mainline. You may be surprised how many in my position are with you on this, the problem is young guys right now, their short-sightedness is unfortunate but I suppose to be expected.

WHAT??? us "young" pilots have the most to gain from a staple of regional pilots to mainline. At an unnamed large regional airline based in Atlanta, it is the very senior who would be against such a thing.

 

[Raskal]

WHAT??? us "young" pilots have the most to gain from a staple of regional pilots to mainline. At an unnamed large regional airline based in Atlanta, it is the very senior who would be against such a thing.

Good point, there are senior guys against this too. I suppose I've run into so many junior ones in favor of the regionals getting everything and 'replacing' mainline flying that it started to seem like the norm.

So let me rephrase, short-sightedness on the part of many regional pilots...

 

[jayme]

Who cares if the "young" guys want more airplanes at their regional? The only way the airplanes get there is if the wise old mainline guys give them away.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Who cares if the "young" guys want more airplanes at their regional? The only way the airplanes get there is if the wise old mainline guys give them away.

Not totally true.

 

[Draginass]

Still looks like a POS RJ with narrow tiny seats, even if there's more of them crammed in the tube.

 

[RemoveB4Flght]

Still looks like a POS RJ with narrow tiny seats, even if there's more of them crammed in the tube.

Agreed.. who cares where the engines are mounted.. at least when the boys in Brazil built the 170/190, they didn't stick with the 2+1 seating in a stretched tube. The 'double bubble' 170/190 cabin concept is not too uncomfortable on short routes.

Although the CRJ has the advantage of a common type rating, how much further can they stretch the fuselage without a redesign?

 

[ehaecker]

Agreed.. who cares where the engines are mounted.. at least when the boys in Brazil built the 170/190, they didn't stick with the 2+1 seating in a stretched tube. The 'double bubble' 170/190 cabin concept is not too uncomfortable on short routes.

Although the CRJ has the advantage of a common type rating, how much further can they stretch the fuselage without a redesign?

I think the 170/175 is more comfortable than any mainline airplane I have ever flown on. It seems like the seats are wider. I think the cabin is plenty wide for 2+2 but not quite wide enough for 3+2, hence the nice wide seats.

 

[siucavflight]

I think the 170/175 is more comfortable than any mainline airplane I have ever flown on. It seems like the seats are wider. I think the cabin is plenty wide for 2+2 but not quite wide enough for 3+2, hence the nice wide seats.

I am sure you are right, they probably designed the thing without really looking at the size of the seats first, and had planned on going with a 3+2 configuration, then after they had the whole thing made and started putting the seats in they realized that 3+2 would not work so they just said the heck with it and put really wide 2+2 seats.

 

[ehaecker]

I am sure you are right, they probably designed the thing without really looking at the size of the seats first, and had planned on going with a 3+2 configuration, then after they had the whole thing made and started putting the seats in they realized that 3+2 would not work so they just said the heck with it and put really wide 2+2 seats.

No need to be a smart ass about it. Im sure that if you measure the width of the seats, they are wider than mainline coach seats. Riding in a DC-9 (3+2) is much more uncomfortable than a 170/175 (2+2), even though it is a bigger plane. THAT is what I meant with the reference to 2+2 vs 3+2. I can see how my previous post is a little misleading though...

 

[siucavflight]

Ha, I know I was just giving you crap, they do seem to be a bit more comfortable, maybe just newer, I dont know.

 

[ehaecker]

I have only been on one once. I swear the coach seats are as wide as 1st class on the CRJ.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

They are and I love the ride in a E-series jet. It is comfortable with the wife and the lap child.

 

[SpauldingSmails]

Although the CRJ has the advantage of a common type rating, how much further can they stretch the fuselage without a redesign?

I'm sure when they designed the CL-600 back in the late 70's/early 80's they probably would have laughed if you said, "That's going to evolve into a 100 seat airliner." It'll be interesting to see if the C-Series takes shape in the near future.

CRJ1000 = Cha+plug+plug+plug+llen+plug+plug+ger.

 

[buscap]

Bill Lear rolled over in his grave about this years ago!!!!