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[SoberIrishman]

Oh, let's not get into this again!

 

[SAABaroowski]

, sorry

 

[jetstream]

I prefer not to commit to a new contract until we have been through a few bid cycles with the new FTDT rules and see what happens with the pilot supply issue.

When a job skill is in short supply its value increases.

 

[SoberIrishman]

Agreed. Hard to think of many reasons to rush into signing a new contract.

 

[SoberIrishman]

....except if what's proposed is good enough to preserve or improve on current terms for a few years, and I doubt that's what management has in mind.

 

[wms]

What did that say in the communication? The MEC was briefed on the state of the regional industry....the Executives can give themselves a 50% raise but you have to give up your retirement, your vacation, your bidding system, your OJI bank, your sick leave, works rules...and no real raise! And furthermore you don't get any Co stock...which would be free from the Co, you get no snap backs, you don't limit exec compensation, you don't limit the other employees getting raises with the money you gave back.......

So ALPA signs up the sells it to you with threats!

Yup. We're doing good enough for mgmt to get big raises, we should get major improvements. Vote No.

 

[wrightbros]

I prefer not to commit to a new contract until we have been through a few bid cycles with the new FTDT rules and see what happens with the pilot supply issue.

When a job skill is in short supply its value increases.

But you forgot the MEC is to stupid to wait for FTDT to be in effect before putting this likely POS out for a vote. Just remember how each MEC member votes, if they vote and send a POS with threats and scare tactics, it's time to recall them. The MEC has very little communication all the way through this process except for telling us we are getting everything we don't want PBS, Losing the retirement etc.

I've heard they are already removing posts from the pipe that don't tell the story that they want to tell.

 

[Max Q]

Someone's a party pooper!

To be clear, I'm speaking in reference to the next few pages.

 

[IFLYASA]

I voted no for ASA PBS. I'll be the first to admit I was wrong. I could never go back to line bidding.

 

[JassBuff]

Anyone who says they will vote no before even seeing it is just ignorant. Get a brain and make a decision once you read if you can. The. Bitch and gripe all you want.

Get smart people. A lot of you sound like complete idiots.

 

[wms]

Just don't Nancy Pelosi it and wait until after the vote to see what's in it.

 

[Plainsman]

Just don't Nancy Pelosi it and wait until after the vote to see what's in it.

Was that wrong?

 

[JumpersAway]

There is one thing you can bank on. As soon as the ink is dry (if it passes and is signed by ALPA), the scheduling warden is going to sit down with a marker and change all of the "may", "at company discression", and "can" loopholes to "will", "must" and "going to". It will then to circulated to the scheduling mouth breathers to exploit, in an effort to ruin and nullify any QOL gains in the contract.

 

[Nevets]

There is one thing you can bank on. As soon as the ink is dry (if it passes and is signed by ALPA), the scheduling warden is going to sit down with a marker and change all of the "may", "at company discression", and "can" loopholes to "will", "must" and "going to". It will then to circulated to the scheduling mouth breathers to exploit, in an effort to ruin and nullify any QOL gains in the contract.

Quality of life gains? Haha that was funny.

 

[JumpersAway]

Quality of life gains? Haha that was funny.

I thought it was hilarious myself, which is why I laughed myself right out the door to a better airline with a brighter future.

 

[jetstream]

Given that the company wants this signed before we get to see the effects of the new work and rest rules and how the pilot shortage is going to affect things, I think it would be unwise to pass anything more than a two year agreement.

 

[dojetdriver]

I thought it was hilarious myself, which is why I laughed myself right out the door to a better airline with a brighter future.

Where'd you go?

Congrats on getting out.

 

[Nevets]

I thought it was hilarious myself, which is why I laughed myself right out the door to a better airline with a brighter future.

Take me with you!

 

[JustaNumber]

Given that the company wants this signed before we get to see the effects of the new work and rest rules and how the pilot shortage is going to affect things, I think it would be unwise to pass anything more than a two year agreement.

Two year agreement, plus three to five more to negotiate the next contract, equals five to seven years. That's a lot of five-day trips!!!

Why wouldn't both sides want to wait to see how the new rules work out? It doesn't smell right to me. Even if it looks like a good contract :laugh:, there's no way I'm voting yes prior to next spring--it's just common sense.

 

[IBNAV8R]

There is little to gain and a lot to lose by committing oneself to several years of concessions (or even status quo) when the game is about to be changed - big time.