Congrats FLOPS!!! Who will be next?

[Hawkered]

Flexjet and Avantair should be next.

 

[Alae]

Well, let's see....

FLOPS Pilots,

• Go cut your tongues out, they are now useless. Your union will speak for you.

I think we'll keep them, thanks. Since our Union is US, we'll be speaking for ourselves; and for the first time in quite a while, our management will actually have to listen.

• Find the biggest sh*t bag on your property, he’s now the benchmark, and the person your union will fight to protect.

Not quite. Our Union will fight to protect any of us from undue harassment from management over refusal to do things which are unsafe or not legal. As for pilots who can't or won't cut the mustard, that's what our Union's Professional Standards Committee is for.

• Say adios to around 2% of your paycheck.

I spend more than that on cable television and broadband. Plus, it's tax-deductible. I'm over it.

• Get use to hearing the company say, "sorry I can’t do that for you, it’s against the contract, and if I give you an extra day off for your moms funeral, the union will file a grievance against the company".

Actually, if an issue isn't covered in the contract as being either mandatory to do, or expressly forbidden, the Company isn't prohibited from it. I doubt something like your Mom's funeral would be covered in our contract; but one supposes that a more general policy such as bereavement leave might be addressed. Notwithstanding, if you really needed the extra day, don't you suppose there are other creative ways intelligent people can handle such a case?

• Don’t get mad when you see your union leaders doing everything you thought they wouldn’t with your $$. If you thought your management made bad decisions, what until you see what 6 pilots do when they try to act like corporate executives.

Like what, exactly? Harley-Davidson motorcycles? Free travel on Company aircraft? Tickets to the SuperBowl? Complete transparancy of financial transactions has been a point insisted on by our Union since this drive started, and I wouldn't expect that to change now.

Everything in life has two sides, you guys just decided to go the wrong way on a one way street. Good luck!

For those of us who actually work here, it seems to many of us (67% at least) that we have been stuck in the middle of the road while one speeding management bus after another has run us down. Yesterday, we made our way to the crossroads and erected a traffic signal. In the coming months we will be working to get our Company off this side-street, over to the nearest on-ramp, and back up to freeway speed.

Regards,
Mike

 

[netjetwife]

Well said, Mike! I'm sure that many other frac pilots see their situation much the same way.

1108---CHANGING THE FRACTIONAL INDUSTRY, A COMPANY AT A TIME

 

[G100driver]

Having seen much in a short time at that frac I say "well done" to those
who persevered. I still say watch your back (and your union!) to ensure
they don't do to you what the auto unions did to that industry.

What exactly did the auto unions do there industry? Make crappy, ugly cars ... nope they just produced what management told them to. Not think about fuel effency ... nope management again. Build bohemeth cars (which by the way made lots of money for everyone back in the day) ... nope, management again.

If Honda was based in Detroit instead of Japan, perhaps we all be singing the praises of how the auto unions are the shinning light in America's working class. Do not kid yourselves, we are ALL working class.

One of the great falicies in today's neo-conservative movement is everyone seems to think it is a bad thing when a group collectively raises its standard of living. Another great myth is that organized labor is the cause of today's financal woes in industry. (See 1st paragraph if you forgot what I was talking about).

Since when did all the pilots on this board become super-millionares and feel that labor should be giving their efforts at a reduced rate to those who need it the least? Think about it.

We would all like to think that we are going to be treated fairly by our employers because we all take pride in what we do and work hard to achieve it. If you work for a large labor group you are very naive if you think this is going to get to retirement. It is the representation that assures your quality of life and also ensures that management plays by the same rules that you are expected to play by.

If you cannot stomach the politics involved with unions, work for a 91 flight department or work 135.

 

[RustyFan]

This statement just shows how little you know about the process.

Is that so Sugar Pants? The last time I checked I still had 21 years at Eastern Airlines. I've got more time sitting in LEC meetings listening to lawyers tell me why I have to strike than you have reading this forum. Say what ever makes you feel good inside, the fact is your feeding your kids frozen chicken nuggets instead of cooking a real meal so you can sit on the internet and blah blah blah about your husbands job! Go watch Opra and get with the program. Your about as clueless as they come in knowing your "union" history.

Oh yeah honey, one more thing... When it came time to go on strike and shut-er-down, I was in the front of the pack. So dont tell me what it takes to get respect in this business. Ya free loading *****.

Ah, dont worry Rusty, you can still bitch all you want when you are yanking gear for me.

Not gonna happen there Little Chucky. I "was" going to retire, but now the paystubs are adding up to $175k for only working 4 months a year. I guess I can hang out for just 3 more years. I've said it once, now let me say it again:

THE TEAMSTERS CANT TOUCH ME! NO MATTER HOW HARD THEY TRY.

 

[RustyFan]

See you in 2008.

Why wait? Bring it on Boss Hog! I lived through Vietnam, Eastern Airlines, flying frieght in Africa, Bill Clinton, and now you guys.

Lets get it on. My $ is on Mr. Richard Santulli and Company. Not a bunch of seat grabbing thugs from the truckers union.

 

[jetwash]

Wow !!!
There really are still some A$$***** out there.

You must be a real pain in the A$$ to fly with Rustyfan. I pitty your co workers and all those who have to be around you!

 

[SCT]

"Say what ever makes you feel good inside, the fact is your feeding your kids frozen chicken nuggets instead of cooking a real meal so you can sit on the internet and blah blah blah about your husbands job! Go watch Opra and get with the program. Your about as clueless as they come in knowing your "union" histor"....Rusty.

Thats some funny sh$t....I don't care who you are!

 

[ghostrider64]

I'm begining to feel the peace of being empty.

I wish you well in the remainder of your chosen path Rusty.

 

[Captainzero1]

Rustyfan, I was on your side until that Bill Clinton crack. At Least he did not kill 2500 soldiers and wounded countless others like the current occupant in the WH.

 

[netjetwife]

With all due respect for your flying career, Rusty, we weren't discussing Eastern Airlines. The subject under discussion was 1108 and the latest frac group to join their Local. My husband is on the front line with SU (StrongUnion for those who may not know), which means that I have a front row seat and the inside scoop, compared to an outsider like yourself. I do believe that I know more 1108 leaders than you do and thus am more qualified to comment on their integrity and how they conduct union business in Local 1108.

My son is old enough to fix chicken tenders for all of us while I work on my family's private fight for justice. Writing reports for the prosecutor keeps me at the computer, but I pay Morgan well so our system works for us. Why would it be of interest to you?

From their parents, our children have learned the importance of standing up for what's right-- whether it is privately (their uncle's case) or publicly (fair compensation/representation for frac pilots). I have no time for TV. I'm focused on the important things in life, like setting the record straight and giving credit where credit is due. Now we're off to the airport to pick up my husband. He had a busy week and has lots to share with me. That would be general observations for those who may have a concern. We operate under the "need to know" rule. The NJ board is a wealth of information and any spouse can learn a lot by following closely, as I do.

 

[wolfpackpilot]

Oh yeah honey, one more thing...

Oh, your killing me Rusty! I've got coffee coming out of my nose Im laughing so hard.


Did we spend a week together down in Barbados over Thanksgiving?

 

[gunfyter]

Rustyfan, I was on your side until that Bill Clinton crack. At Least he did not kill 2500 soldiers and wounded countless others like the current occupant in the WH.

I liked the Bill Clinton crack...

 

[Anis]

I remember working at a smaller commuter............no union, and things were OK. It grew too quickly, a lot of new faces in terms of pilots and schedulers/mgmt and a lot of desperation in getting the job done especially when our code share was up for review.....which meant using and abusing the pilots (forcing the pilots to fly when they shouldnt...heaven forbid you say NO).......

I now know your limitations. You are hereby referred to as my 'one dimensional friend.'

- A

 

[Anis]

Now we're off to the airport to pick up my husband. He had a busy week and has lots to share with me.

Don't you mean "...lot's to share with us?"

You are full of *$@! Any self respecting Fractional pilot would have an airport car, or find their own ride so as not to negatively impact the family while away for 9 days. C;mon..."we're off to the airport" to pick up "MY" husband? Bob Grant said it best...fake - phony - fraud.