Congrats AWA MEC......................

[Doug Parker]

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Time to Play hardball or the one that really counts will make it 0 for 3


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[abefly]

Amen!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Prog 2/2]

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Time to Play hardball


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That train has already left the station.

The time to start the hardball was the day after the merger was announced. When our union leadership went to PIT with their half-backed seniority proposal, you should have known that they had no concept of the arena they were playing in.

Some of us who've seen the movie before tried to tell them, but they were so much smarter.

 

[TWA Dude]

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I guess you're a genious who can suggest exactly how the AWA MEC could've done this better?

Shame on me for replying to a notorious flame-baiter.

 

[Doug Parker]

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Well, it seems the arbi-traitor seems to go halfway between the 2 sides.

Seems like we should've said US Furloughways got 10 Capt + 10 FO slots. Then maybe the arbitrator would've gone "OK, 50-50"

It seems like this playing nice bull******************** ain't ********************ing workin.......

Just like our stance should be a Staple Job - that way when the arbitrator splits the difference, we get a reasonable list, i.e. relative seniority


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[Carl S.]

AAA-3 AWA-0

1. AWA pilots did not need or want this merger, we were growing and upgrading till this went down, AAA needed this or the street.

2. 757 growth flying, all to AAA, we get an IOU for some future date.

3. E-190 growth flying, all to AAA, we get an IOU and less than 40% of actual flying ratio.

I thought with an IOU you get interest for the loan, AAA pays nothing and gets it all and no bump/flush. I only hope we drag out the contract for several years and get our raises in JAN. and let the East get the flying but suffer under LOA93 till we see fit to let them out of that POS.

 

[Bubba Dog]

AAA-3 AWA-0

1. AWA pilots did not need or want this merger, we were growing and upgrading till this went down, AAA needed this or the street.

2. 757 growth flying, all to AAA, we get an IOU for some future date.

3. E-190 growth flying, all to AAA, we get an IOU and less than 40% of actual flying ratio.

I thought with an IOU you get interest for the loan, AAA pays nothing and gets it all and no bump/flush. I only hope we drag out the contract for several years and get our raises in JAN. and let the East get the flying but suffer under LOA93 till we see fit to let them out of that POS.

Be careful what you wish for. There is nothing to say that the west cannot be continually pulled down and the east grown dramatically because of the cost difference.

 

[TWA Dude]

There is nothing to say that the west cannot be continually pulled down and the east grown dramatically because of the cost difference.

Actually, there is. It's called the Transition Agreement and the Company signed it.

 

[Bubba Dog]

Actually, there is. It's called the Transition Agreement and the Company signed it.

Does it actually give x number of aircraft or crews designated to the west side and can go no lower?

 

[Doug Parker]

Actually, there is. It's called the Transition Agreement and the Company signed it.

Nothing else has been followed in the ********************ing TA - why start now ???




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[Itsallsogood]

TWA are you the son of P246?

 

[TWA Dude]

Does it actually give x number of aircraft or crews designated to the west side and can go no lower?

It does give a minimum number of aircraft and is currently in compliance.

break

Itsallsogood: nope.

 

[whymeworry?]

Airline mergers are a lose/lose situation for most employees. Everyone in this business who has any sense knows this. That said, when the merger was announced, most, if not all, pilots from both airlines got on the boards and started touting their futures. Both employee groups were excited at the prospect of better opportunities: AWA because they could now (eventually) go international, and USAirways because they were no longer looking at a total liquidation.

Now the reality for employees are setting in that merging lists are generally not lucrative for either group involved. So where was the rage when the merger was announced? You guys let management shove these deals down your throat because you're focused on the additional flying you might get. When things don't work to your favor you whine.

 

[5150]

Well said .....

Airline mergers are a lose/lose situation for most employees. Everyone in this business who has any sense knows this. That said, when the merger was announced, most, if not all, pilots from both airlines got on the boards and started touting their futures. Both employee groups were excited at the prospect of better opportunities: AWA because they could now (eventually) go international, and USAirways because they were no longer looking at a total liquidation.

Now the reality for employees are setting in that merging lists are generally not lucrative for either group involved. So where was the rage when the merger was announced? You guys let management shove these deals down your throat because you're focused on the additional flying you might get. When things don't work to your favor you whine.

 

[Dangerkitty]

I guess you're a genious who can suggest exactly how the AWA MEC could've done this better?

Shame on me for replying to a notorious flame-baiter.

Genious?

 

[TWA Dude]

Genious?

So suu me.

 

[TWA Dude]

So where was the rage when the merger was announced?

Uh, I guess you weren't talking to any AWA guys back then. I know very few who were happy about it. I know I wasn't. However, unlike some, I saw no point in posting hate letters on message boards.

You guys let management shove these deals down your throat because you're focused on the additional flying you might get.

"Let" them? We don't run the airline. Short of employing a "nuclear" option there was little to be done to prevent the merger.

When things don't work to your favor you whine.

Wow, I guess pilots truly are different from everyone else!

 

[PHXFLYR]

Airline mergers are a lose/lose situation for most employees. Everyone in this business who has any sense knows this. That said, when the merger was announced, most, if not all, pilots from both airlines got on the boards and started touting their futures. Both employee groups were excited at the prospect of better opportunities: AWA because they could now (eventually) go international, and USAirways because they were no longer looking at a total liquidation.

Now the reality for employees are setting in that merging lists are generally not lucrative for either group involved. So where was the rage when the merger was announced? You guys let management shove these deals down your throat because you're focused on the additional flying you might get. When things don't work to your favor you whine.

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PHXFLYR

 

[Occam's Razor]

I went whitewater rafting once. It was sometimes boring, sometimes exhilarating, occasionally scary, and only semi-pedictable...even though it was all on the same river. Others were on the same river, but experienced differing amounts of excitement, frustration, and reward. All of us got wet...with some handling it badly. (I don't think they thought they'd ever get wet) Some actually didn't make it to the take-out point.

I tried to have fun the whole time. I mean, after all...I chose to go rafting.

 

[ReverseSensing]

I went whitewater rafting once. It was sometimes boring, sometimes exhilarating, occasionally scary, and only semi-pedictable...even though it was all on the same river. Others were on the same river, but experienced differing amounts of excitement, frustration, and reward. All of us got wet...with some handling it badly. (I don't think they thought they'd ever get wet) Some actually didn't make it to the take-out point.

I tried to have fun the whole time. I mean, after all...I chose to go rafting.

Was this one of those long trips where you have to poop in a 5-gallon bucket and take it with you? Just curious.