Congrats AWA MEC......................

[Lampshade]

1853 AWA + 2422 AAA= 4275, approximately 44%

4275 Total + 1350(furloughed excluding those who have by passed)= 5625

1853 divided by 5625= 33%

The arbitrator has now defined "fair and equitable" for the seniority integration.

As Forest Gump says "thats all I have to say about that".

I am tired of this point, counterpoint, this could go on forever,so let's just all agree to disagree and let the arbitrator decide. I'm through.

You need the actual active pilots at the Sept 2005 merge date to do your math.

 

[Bringupthebird]

I thought binding arbitration was McCain's solution to neutering uppity airline labor and that ALPA rejected plans for it's use. So why was an outside arbitrator used here? Why not send it to a arbitration panel within ALPA so that there is some accountability for bad decisions?

 

[ALGFLYR]

So ALGFLYER,

What mainline aircraft did you fly ???


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I flew the EMB-170. It was an aircraft on the AAA operating certificate. Every pilot that flew that aircraft is a pilot on the AAA system seniority list. Your point?? What did you fly?

 

[TWA Dude]

I thought binding arbitration was McCain's solution to neutering uppity airline labor and that ALPA rejected plans for it's use.

Firstly, arbitration with management is a whole different ballgame. These days, management always wins. Secondly, McCain favored a "baseball-style" arbitration whereby both sides presented their cases and the arb simply chose one side and that was it. Not a good option!

So why was an outside arbitrator used here?

Because it was part of the process dictated by the Transition Agreement. The two sides were unable to reach an agreement like they did for the 757's.

Why not send it to a arbitration panel within ALPA so that there is some accountability for bad decisions?

There's no benefit to gaining this "accountability" you seek. Having ALPA decide this kind of thing is a worse choice than an outsider because neutrality is not guaranteed.

 

[PHXFLYR]

This wasn't a lose for the AWA group....the airplanes were ordered before the merger. Therefore, you have no right to any of it. You get some of the jobs....be happy about it. Further, I don't see too many AWA folks wanting to commute to PHL.

I can imagine that AWA, with all their "growth" before the merger, gladly handing the east guys a bone with a few "jobs" from their newly acquired Airbus airplanes, right? Wrong.

All complaining aside....you all work for a profitable company right now that has the means to buy some more jets to make your airline a little more efficient which should mean better security and more jobs. Does that mean anything to any of you or are you going to complain until you retire?

A350

We were profitable before the merger announcement,too. Don't go thinking
you guys are our saviors because to be quite honest with you, you're not.

PHXFLYR

 

[PHXFLYR]

I'm afraid ALPA is a necessary evil.

On another note why do you west dudes think you lost so much? If you could do it all over again with the east in the 757 and E190 situation,what would have you done differently?

Have you west dudes heard of any recalls lately that might be coming to your side of the fence?

Latest equipment bid results show 8 A320 F/O slots that will go to new hires which will probably be AAA furloughees at some point per the Transition Agreement. But why we should comply with that portion of the Transition Agreement while the AAA MEC seems to cherry pick only the parts that work best for them while ignoring the rest is beyond me...which,I am sorry to say,is what I will be telling my ALPA reps...


PHXFLYR

 

[Doug Parker]

Latest equipment bid results show 8 A320 F/O slots that will go to new hires which will probably be AAA furloughees at some point per the Transition Agreement. But why we should comply with that portion of the Transition Agreement while the AAA MEC seems to cherry pick only the parts that work best for them while ignoring the rest is beyond me...which,I am sorry to say,is what I will be telling my ALPA reps...


PHXFLYR

Time to start calling the AWA poolies !!!!




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[ALGFLYR]

Latest equipment bid results show 8 A320 F/O slots that will go to new hires which will probably be AAA furloughees at some point per the Transition Agreement. But why we should comply with that portion of the Transition Agreement while the AAA MEC seems to cherry pick only the parts that work best for them while ignoring the rest is beyond me...which,I am sorry to say,is what I will be telling my ALPA reps...


PHXFLYR

What part of the transition agreement did the AAA MEC ignore?

 

[PHXFLYR]

What part of the transition agreement did the AAA MEC ignore?

What part of it did they NOT ignore whould be a better question ....


PHXFLYR

 

[FR8mastr]

What part of it did they NOT ignore whould be a better question ....


PHXFLYR

I think that was a good question. Since you would rather have new hires than get a furloughed guy off the street I would hope you have a reason other than lets hose the east guys just because.
Again what did AAA ignore?