Concerned Mom Won't Fly with Arabs (who train Marines)

[Flyer1015]

Political Correctness does not belong in this discussion. You wear a diaper on your head, and not on your a$$, i'm going to get nervous. These radicals will kill us in an instant.

Hahahahahahaaa. Do whatever you want. Ever heard of a Sikh? Or are all "those" people the same to you?

I believe there is an Al Sharpton for muslims-he calls himself flyer1015 here. This is guy such an apologist tool!

Nope! Never once apologized for the actions of any radical terrorists.

"not all muslims are evil" "my family Dr. is from Pakistan, he is a muslim and he has great lotion for my genital warts." Blah, blah, blah, and blah.......

Genital warts? More personal attacks.

Eat me, you pollyanas! These Policially Correct idiots are just as dangerous as the terrorists-they play right into their plan.

If you really think I am as dangerous as the terrorists then you should do something about it.

There were reasons for Crusades; it's time for another.

A Christian holy war? It's time to put away that vodka...

Jackasses like flyer1015 can stick their heads in the sand aal day-as for me, I'll be watching these muslim jerkoffs carefully-I want to stay alive!

More personal attacks. And what, you think I want to be dead? Of course I want to stay alive. The difference is that *I* will stay alive by remaining vigilant, while *you* will stay alive by remaining paranoid.


Hmmm, funny observation, all the conservative right-wingers have been the ones to namecall and fight with personal attacks. I wonder why that is?

Can't you kids have an argument as grown ups, or did mommy and daddy teach to tell others to "f$%k off" if they disagree with your ideology?

 

[PCL_128]

There were reasons for Crusades; it's time for another.

Wow..

 

[big_al]

And yet another word from the peace loving Islamic folks.



There were reasons for Crusades; it's time for another.

you are literally insane. dwell on the actions of less than one tenth of one percent of the fastest growing religion on the planet all to justify your hatred of people who look and act different than you. Please seek help. You are delusional.

 

[ultrarunner]

Last I heard Al-Queda is up and running...6 years after 9/11...why???????????

Why? Because we WANT them up and running, at a certain level. Make no mistake, if we (US govt.) wanted Al-Queda shut down, they would be shut down.

The US government wants us to have a certain amount of fear.

 

[stonewall]

dwell on the actions of less than one tenth of one percent of the fastest growing religion on the planet

However, more than 10% of the world's Muslims support and/or sympathize with the few "radicals" that are carrying out terror attacks. That comes out to, oh, I don't know, over a hundred million potential jihadis. Nope, nothing to see here....move on, people.

Don't underestimate the jihadist ability to propogandize. The threat is growing, not diminishing. It started well before Bush and Iraq, and will continue long after Bush and Iraq.

At least we got a reprieve from Islamic terror when the US left Saudi Arabia and when the Israelis turned over Gaza and the West Bank. Er, wait...that didn't happen. Maybe if we juuuuuust leave Iraq and Afghanistan, it'll stop THEN!

 

[highsky]

However, more than 10% of the world's Muslims support and/or sympathize with the few "radicals" that are carrying out terror attacks. That comes out to, oh, I don't know, over a hundred million potential jihadis. Nope, nothing to see here....move on, people.

Don't underestimate the jihadist ability to propogandize. The threat is growing, not diminishing. It started well before Bush and Iraq, and will continue long after Bush and Iraq.

At least we got a reprieve from Islamic terror when the US left Saudi Arabia and when the Israelis turned over Gaza and the West Bank. Er, wait...that didn't happen. Maybe if we juuuuuust leave Iraq and Afghanistan, it'll stop THEN!

Damn right!

Sad that 50%+ Americans don't get this concept.

 

[puddlejumper101]

Why? Because we WANT them up and running, at a certain level. Make no mistake, if we (US govt.) wanted Al-Queda shut down, they would be shut down.

The US government wants us to have a certain amount of fear.[/quote

We don't need Al-Queda for that...the media does that for us no matter what. Just a hurricane in the Atlantic and CNN, FOX, MSNBC will take care of panicking all of us. Al-Queda is up and running because we decided to ignore them (thanks to the current administration). By the way...just to add insult to injury these guys they caught in Germany were not darker skin...hmm...boy does that change everything. I know the Middle East will never be stable...but that should be their problem. If the Shiite and Sunni radical groups want to hate eachother fine...but now we are stuck babysitting them thanks to Bush. Not to mention Al-Queda booby trapping the U.S. and Iran funding the Shiites. These problems are all Bush induced.

 

[atrdriver]

My family doctor is actually a Pakistani Muslim guy, and I would never tell him his religion isn't gentle. "Know thy enemy" , and that enemy are the radical Muslims who twist their religion to further their agendas. That's the enemy. Not good guys like my doctor.

And yet, if you lined up your family doctor, 1 of my best friends who is also a Pakistani Muslim, and 1 true terrorist, someone who didn't know any of them would not be able to tell which was which. If you knew that 1 of these people would kill you if they had a chance, which would you choose? You simply wouldn't know, so you wouldn't turn your back on ANY of them. That is just how it is, like it or not.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Amen bro! Amen!

One big a$$ nuclear bomb.

 

[atrdriver]

All the heinous acts you listed are sad. But Muslim radicals aren't alone. Research yourself and you will find many groups (like the IRA and the LTTE) have killed many civilians using methods similar to radical Muslims. Terrorism is terrorism, and it is not limited to one race, religion, or creed of people.

And when was the last time that you heard of a non muslim using a suicide bomb to take out a cafe?

 

[atrdriver]

Hmmm. I wonder if Richard Reid was an Arab between 19-36? Remember he was trying to do the nasty too.

No, but he WAS a muslim.

 

[atrdriver]

Speak for yourself. I as an American will not distrust ALL Muslims simply based on the actions of the radical Mulims. To distrust all of 1.5 billion Muslims because of the actions of the radical element isn't prudent.

So I ask again, how do you tell the radical from the good? You can't unless you ask questions. Maybe you will ignore the bad ones to food good about the good ones, but I won't. I will ask the questions, and if I don't like the answers then they don't go on my airplane. Or I don't.

 

[atrdriver]

Duh! Because the Bush led Iraq campaign has been a COMPLETE and TOTAL mess. MORE civilians are dying TODAY than under Saddam Husseins regime. Come on... are you seriously surprised?

You apparantly need to do a little research. Look up the Kurd genocide enacted by Saddam. And you really think that as many people are dying today as died under Saddam? Please.

 

[Flyer1015]

You apparantly need to do a little research. Look up the Kurd genocide enacted by Saddam. And you really think that as many people are dying today as died under Saddam? Please.

Dude, are you crazy??!?! OF COURSE more people are dying every month now since Saddam Hussein was in power. We have DAILY suicide bombings killing both radicals and innocent people. At the drop of a dime, BOOM! 182 civilians dead in less than 5 seconds due to one bomb. I kid you NOT, look up the numbers yourself. It's FACT... MORE people are dying today in Iraq than under Saddam Hussein. That's the reality of Iraq today with al-Qaeda running around and Shias and Sunnis slaughtering each other. Only difference is that now, Saddam is gone. So, if you will, "upper management" has changed, but slaughtering continues at a rate GREATER than when Sadam was in power.

So I ask again, how do you tell the radical from the good?

The same way you differentiate between which woman you are dating is fun both in and out of bed and which one is psycho or which of the 50 people on the employee bus stole your laptop.

The problem isn't people speaking Arabic. The problem is an underfunded security system. Ideally, with a properly managed, led and funded security network, the ID's of the individuals would have been punched into a computer revealing they were traveling on government passes from Camp Pen and no further action was needed. As it was, our security looks like something out of the 1930's where the individuals are hauled off and interrogated.

And when was the last time that you heard of a non muslim using a suicide bomb to take out a cafe?

The LTTE in Sri Lanka, what, about two months ago?

And yet, if you lined up your family doctor, 1 of my best friends who is also a Pakistani Muslim, and 1 true terrorist, someone who didn't know any of them would not be able to tell which was which. If you knew that 1 of these people would kill you if they had a chance, which would you choose? You simply wouldn't know, so you wouldn't turn your back on ANY of them. That is just how it is, like it or not.

Bad example. If you want to fear and distrust all of them, then do it, live a life based on fear, hatred, and distrust. Go ahead and be paranoid, if that's what you want. Paranoia can be defined in this case by fearing/distrusting EVERYONE resembling an Arabic appearance. I, for one, will not give into paranoia. I will remain vigilant, not paranoid.

 

[atrdriver]

Dude, are you crazy??!?! OF COURSE more people are dying every month now since Saddam Hussein was in power. We have DAILY suicide bombings killing both radicals and innocent people. At the drop of a dime, BOOM! 182 civilians dead in less than 5 seconds due to one bomb. I kid you NOT, look up the numbers yourself. It's FACT... MORE people are dying today in Iraq than under Saddam Hussein. That's the reality of Iraq today with al-Qaeda running around and Shias and Sunnis slaughtering each other. Only difference is that now, Saddam is gone. So, if you will, "upper management" has changed, but slaughtering continues at a rate GREATER than when Sadam was in power.

Saddams regime gassed the Kurds, killing almost 2 hundred thousand, and then they rounded up ANOTHER 100,000 that survived the gassing and executed them. Do you REALLY think that 300,000 civilians have died in Iraq since we invaded? Lets say we started the war 1/1/2001. That would be 136 civilian deaths EVERY DAY since that date. Just not true, regardless of what you believe.

 

[atrdriver]

Bad example. If you want to fear and distrust all of them, then do it, live a life based on fear, hatred, and distrust. Go ahead and be paranoid, if that's what you want. Paranoia can be defined in this case by fearing/distrusting EVERYONE resembling an Arabic appearance. I, for one, will not give into paranoia. I will remain vigilant, not paranoid.

And yet you didn't answer my question. If there were 3 arab muslims lined up, and you knew that 1 of them would kill you if you turned your back to him, would you turn your back to ANY of them?

 

[Caveman]

Atrdriver,

Nice job. Logic and facts defeats hyperbole every time. Keep up the good work. :beer:

 

[Flyer1015]

Saddams regime gassed the Kurds, killing almost 2 hundred thousand, and then they rounded up ANOTHER 100,000 that survived the gassing and executed them. Do you REALLY think that 300,000 civilians have died in Iraq since we invaded? Lets say we started the war 1/1/2001. That would be 136 civilian deaths EVERY DAY since that date. Just not true, regardless of what you believe.

If you want to talk numbers, keep in mind the numbers are alawys guestimate. No one physically verified 200,000 dead and another 100,000. They found mass grave sites, and can do rough counts. Same thing with the civilians dying today. You don't know about the deaths that aren't reported. Today, unknown to us, Shias and Sunnis (and Kurds) are getting slaughtered left and right. There are many mass grave sites that have yet to be discovered. The media only reports the ones they KNOW about. Iraq is a wide, desolate place with MANY places to hide/bury dead bodies. You'd be foolish to think that things are better NOW than they were under Hussein. Iraq today is MUCH more dangerous to the world than under Hussein. Hussein, a power control freak, did a fine job of keeping al-Qaeda from operating in Iraq. He wouldn't risk losing his power/status. But now that he's gone, Iraq is a al-Qaeda safe haven and breeding ground.

Even an Israeli spokesman (military or some civilian guy) on CNN said how, in retrospect, they'd rather have had Saddam Hussein still in power, than the current situation with al-Qaeda running around in Iraq as a safe haven and for breeding terrorism.

And yet you didn't answer my question. If there were 3 arab muslims lined up, and you knew that 1 of them would kill you if you turned your back to him, would you turn your back to ANY of them?

But I say again, your question is flawed. Why? Because it doesn't address the issue of any race/color/religion. It says, in a nutshell, that three people are lined up, and you *somehow* know one wants you dead. What does it matter if it's three white guys, three black guys, three Muslim guys, three Jewish guys???


To answer this question, I need to know further information... HOW did I find out that ONE of them WOULD kill me if I turned my back to him? My answer to your question will depend on how I was able to find that intel, and then act accordingly. Did I see something suspicious from one of them? Did one of them tell me that another is planning an attack on Americans?

And I say this cause I know my doctor would NEVER do any of that stuff you just mentioned. I wouldn't cast suspicion on him. He's like a father to me. So no, in this case, if he was one of the three, I rule him out as a suspect.

 

[Flyer1015]

If you TRULY feel that ALL Muslims are out to get you, then yeah I guess I could see how you'd distrust/hate them all... that's living the paranoid life.

1.5+ billion people are not out to get you dead.

Vigilence is key, paranoia is not.

 

[Flyer1015]

Like PCL_128 said, if something is suspicious and enough red flags are raised in your eyes, then be vigilant and take the right action. And that's exactly what he did. I commend his decision.

But if your line is drawn by fearing/distrusting/hating ALL Muslims, then I classify that as paranoia (that 1.5+ billion Muslims are out to get you). If this is your case, don't ever be based at DTW.

 

[stonewall]

You still didn't answer my question, either. What, in your opinion, will it take for there to be peace in the Middle East? All of us convert to Islam? What?

And, by the way, I like the way you think about Iraq being far safer under Saddam. I've had the same theories about America. We could easily reduce the murder rate (and other violent crimes) here in America if we just had the right leader. All we need is a guy who is willing to be ruthless and murderous to all the criminals...boom! Instant safety!

Other things might suck, but just think how much SAFER we'd be!! Yes, like Iraq under Saddam and the USSR under Stalin and Cuba under Castro, America would be so much safer with the right kind of guy in power. We never should've removed Hitler from Germany....their crime rate was SO low!

There are alot of reasons to oppose the Iraq war, but to say "things were better under Saddam" is colossally stupid and betrays every democratic principle known to mankind. It's always "safer" under the thug as long as you do what he says.

 

[CoolSidePillow]

What was the name of the country that was the first and only country to use nuclear weapons? They knowingly unleashed the horror of the nuclear genie on civilians. Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. The last 100 years alone is littered with tens of millions of deaths and hundreds of millions more that suffer because of the quest for power and the reactionary events that it puts into motion. Fear is natural and to be afraid of a person or a group of people that makes the hair on the back of your neck stand up is just natural. If you walk in the ghetto at 1am you just might feel a bit tense. If you go to some redneck biker bar alone you might just feel a bit tense etc . . . It is an unfortunate bi-product that Islamic or Arab people have been tossed under this light of suspicion. 9/11 is very fresh, and when it gets a bit stale there is something on TV or a book or a movie that helps remind us. Alternative fuels will not solve much. The quest for power is the same. Whether it is whale oil, cotton, railroad tycoons, gold rush, diamond barons, oil czars, or the guy who finds out how to engineer all women to be hot and never fat it is the same. Somone will want to control it and they will go to ANY means to do so. If USA didnt use as much oil then China, India, Russia, South Korea, Europe, Japan, etc . . . would. Someone will want to sell it to them. American oil companies could care less who buys the oil as long as they have the refining, shipment, exploration, infrastructure construction to make money from. One guy on here said he had a major in chemistry, ok, so what. Are you behind the scenes? Do you know who is buying out patents? Do you know who blocks funding for research? Do you know who pays people to not reveal new breakthroughs? Does anyone think if the sun could power everything cheap that the existing energy moguls would want it in existence? 3000 Americans died by Islamic based terrorists. They have killed many times that all over the world in the last 50 years. How many millions have died, not including the Japanese atomic bombs, by American influenced and backed regimes all over the world. China is the US's biggest seller of goods and one of the worst offenders of human rights. What about the US backed problems in Chili, Guatamala, El Salvador, pre-Castro Cuba, Panama, Iraq, Iran, Saudi Arabia, all over Africa, East Timor, Palastine . . . What about the Nazis? Are all Germans bad? What about what the WASPS did to the American Indians? There will always be someone who wants more than they have and will try to take it from someone else. That someone else will eventually get tired of being stepped on and fight back with whatever means possible. Terrorists are just bad. They do bad things. They dont just wake up and decide to do bad things. Something or someone pushed them in that direction. Timothy McVeigh was as middle america as it gets. He committed one of the largest mass murders. Osama bin Laden is the world's new devil. Someone to hate. Someone to point to and say "he is out there and he wants to kill you." That makes people afraid, and you can do a lot of things when people are afraid. Like bomb the hell out of the desert while at the same time build a gas and oil pipeline from the Caspian Sea basin to where it can be loaded onto ships. That same pipeline that you couldnt convince the taliban to allow in 1996. So you scream, "he is in there" and level the sandbox of a country. Whew, that was exhausting. If some Arab guy made me nervous I might do the same thing because fear is not rational. If you are not going to be suspicious, or a bit paranoid then why be an FFDO? The price of peace is vigilance, and the price of freedom is responsibility.

 

[stonewall]

That was one of the most tedious posts I've ever read on FI.

If you think a smart-azz crack about "ooooooiiilllllll" is a witty response to "mil/civ," I question your judgement about world affairs.

As I've stated earlier, I find it hilarious when people who fly freakin' jets for a living have anything to say about the evils of "oooooiiiiilllllll!"

 

[atrdriver]

But I say again, your question is flawed. Why? Because it doesn't address the issue of any race/color/religion. It says, in a nutshell, that three people are lined up, and you *somehow* know one wants you dead. What does it matter if it's three white guys, three black guys, three Muslim guys, three Jewish guys???

Your logic that Iraq is a desolate place and the media only reports on the killings that it knows about goes for when Saddam was in power as well, with the added caveat that today the media has pretty much free roaming over the country, while under Saddam they didn't, so there is a much greater probability that there were many more unreported killings under his regime than there are now.

And as far as whether the three are white, black, jewish, purple, or polka-doted, it doesn't matter which. I simply asked you if there were three men of arab muslim descent standing in front of you, and you knew that 1 would kill you if you turned your back, would you turn your back to any of them. If you would, then you are a fool. Whether you are a vigilant fool, or a paranoid fool, it doesn't really matter, because you will be a dead fool. Call it what you wish, I call it being realistic.

 

[atrdriver]

... and the price of freedom is responsibility.

Really? The price of freedom is responsibility? Maybe you can figure out a way to pass that on to all the brave men and women who have DIED and given their blood to protect YOUR freedom.

 

[Flyer1015]

You still didn't answer my question, either. What, in your opinion, will it take for there to be peace in the Middle East? All of us convert to Islam? What?

Oh, sorry, I totally forgot. Honestly, there is TOO much religion in that area to ever have peace. You have born again evangelical Christians who believe in the coming and how Jews must be in control of that land, at which point, well you know the story. Then you have Jews trying to fight for land they believe is entitled to them, and you have Palestinians fighting for land for the same reasons.

It's like what that other guy said, first rule of starting a ground invasion/war in the Middle East:

Don't.

Rule 2: See rule 1.

I pretty much agree with that guy. There is too much religion in that region to ever have peace. I say that, because NO MATTER what happens, you can't satisfy all three religions (Christianity, Islam, and Judaism).

And, by the way, I like the way you think about Iraq being far safer under Saddam. I've had the same theories about America. We could easily reduce the murder rate (and other violent crimes) here in America if we just had the right leader. All we need is a guy who is willing to be ruthless and murderous to all the criminals...boom! Instant safety!

You misunderstood me. I didn't say (at least I hope I didn't say) that Iraq was safer under Hussein. What I meant was the death rates on a daily basis today are worse than under his control. Iraq wasn't safe back when he was in control, and it CERTAINLY isn't safe today. Now, it's worse. Why? Because Saddam wanted nothing to do with al-Qaeda. As a power control freak, any cells operating in his country would have posed a direct threat to him as a dictator. So, he kept al-Qaeda out. Now, with him gone, al-Qaeda has taken over pretty much all over the country, and use it for training, recruiting, and breeding terrorists.

There are alot of reasons to oppose the Iraq war, but to say "things were better under Saddam" is colossally stupid and betrays every democratic principle known to mankind.

You know what IS colossally stupid and betrays every democratic principle known to mankind? TRYING to spread DEMOCRACY by bombs and guns. Now that's ironic and betrays every democratic principle known to mankind.

Don't get me wrong, "things were better under Saddam" is only something I meant with respect to how things are today in Iraq. Of course Saddam sucked, and of course things sucked under his control. BUT, the situation is a LOT worse in Iraq today. Previously, you only had one problem: Saddam and his militant army doing what they wanted. Now in Iraq, you have US soldiers trying the best they can to patrol and control areas. You have al-Qaeda members running all over the country and recruiting, training, and expanding al-Qaeda. You have a civil war between Sunnis and Shias, along with the Kurds who still get screwed. And on top of that, you have multiple suicide bombings pretty much daily killing Iraqi civilians. Now, MILLIONS of people have been displaced from Iraq. Look at the number of children in school during Saddam, and look at the number of Iraqi children in school today. That number is now LOWER than before. Children are the future, right? And Iraq right now doesn't have a good future. That's what I meant by 'things were better under Saddam.' Don't take that literally. Of course things sucked back then. What I meant, though, is that things suck far worse today than before.

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CoolSidePillow, I won't paste you entire post, but very nicely said. I agree with a lot of things you said.

Anyway, next up...

Your logic that Iraq is a desolate place and the media only reports on the killings that it knows about goes for when Saddam was in power as well, with the added caveat that today the media has pretty much free roaming over the country, while under Saddam they didn't, so there is a much greater probability that there were many more unreported killings under his regime than there are now.

Iraq is a desolate place to begin with, and now with huge craters and infrastructure shot to he!!. You'd be foolish to think the media could handle every single execution. Like I said, before, scroll up in this post and see my comentary on pre versus post Saddam Iraq.

And as far as whether the three are white, black, jewish, purple, or polka-doted, it doesn't matter which. I simply asked you if there were three men of arab muslim descent standing in front of you, and you knew that 1 would kill you if you turned your back, would you turn your back to any of them. If you would, then you are a fool.

In your case above, what does it matter if the three men are Arabic or not. What if they were three white Christians? Would your response still be the same? It should be. What if they were three blacks? Or three latinos? If it was three white Christian men, one of whom tried to kill you, would you now fear/distrust/hate ALL Christian white men for the actions of a few?

Whether you are a vigilant fool, or a paranoid fool, it doesn't really matter, because you will be a dead fool. Call it what you wish, I call it being realistic.

So spell it out for me. Just once and for all.

Are you saying you fear/distrust/hate ALL 1.5+ billion Muslims in the world, all due to your fear that they might do something bad to you?

From all your posts here, I would think your answers seems to be a resounding "YES!"

And that is unfortunate. Like PCL_128 and his story, it's always good to be vigilant and aware. Paranoia and fear is sign of weakness. Al-Qaeda has stated over and over again that one of their goals is to instill fear in the hearts of Americans. In your heart, you fear and distrust ALL Muslims (over 1.5 billion people). Congratulations, al-Qaeda has achieved their goal.

Do whatever you want.

YOU can be paranoid and fear all 1.5+ billion Muslims. Unlike you, I will not let paranoia run my life. I will remain vigilant and take the right course of action if a situation calls for it (just like PCL_128 did in his story).

 

[pkober]

While I was just a lurker on this particular thread, I could not help but bring somethig up. You can blame Clinton all you want but the problem was, and still is a certain group called Al-Queda. Last I heard Al-Queda is up and running...6 years after 9/11...why??????????? That's what REALLY bothers me...and thats the problem I have with Bush and all of his cronies. We have done NOTHING about the problem except invade Iraq and make more problems. That stinken organization should have been history already. Had we invested all of the resources and efforts on Al-Queada instead of Iraq...we might not be having this conversation. Clinton made mistakes...but Bush has done NOTHING to fix the real problem. As long as Al-Queda is up and running, Iraq will never get fixed...why? Because they booby trap every accomplishment the U.S. makes over there. No progress will be made there...and it will only get worse. How do you fix Iraq???? Eradicate these radicals...starting from the top over there in Afganistan and pakistan...I know at this point al-queda might never go away, but if you cut the head off the animal, it might take a while to grow a new one. That's my two cents...and that is why Bush has made the worst blunder in U.S. history. This is beyond democrats and republicans...it is something all of us will have to live with for God knows how long. If my neighbor breaks into my house and steals my stuff...I go after my neighbor...not the guy accross the street who saw this happen. Apperantly Bush forgot who attacked us on 9/11...good thing he is gone soon...whoever comes in republican or democrat will have quite a mess to deal with. Because Al-Queda is still a threat (bigger than before) I have to racially profile when at work...what a bunch of crap...Al-Queda should be history.

Where to start.

Are your comments from first hand knowledge from time spent in the AOR or from the internet.

We have done nothing about the Al Queda problem? How about our efforts in Afghanistan. Many fine Americans have died doing nothing against AQ there. Having resently returned, I can tell you that progress is being made there.

My point about Clinton was that someone blamed HW Bush and W Bush for the problems in Africa but soemhow forgot that we had a President from 1993 -2001. I was just reminding him that we had some one in office during that time.

Iraq will get solved. Simply throwing in the towel and running is not a solution. I'm not saying you said that, so don't get upset. Compare Iraq to N. Ireland as some one has already done. That problem appears close to being solved but it took many years and strong willed people.

I believe W undestands this threat more than you are giving him credit for. It's easy to throw stones at him, and probably fun and popular. But he has kept his eye on the target and one day history will vindicate him for it.

Begin to flame away.

 

[lineflyer1]

Really? The price of freedom is responsibility? Maybe you can figure out a way to pass that on to all the brave men and women who have DIED and given their blood to protect YOUR freedom.

I believe the price of freedom is lives. Yes, lives.

The lives we loose to protect freedom.
The lives we loose promoting freedom.
The lives we loose enjoying freedoms.
The lives that never were, because we enjoy freedom of choice.
The freedom and rights to drive, own a gun,drive a boat,fly a plane,own a knife, so on and so on.

Because we have freedom, lives are lost.

 

[AV80R]

Good for her! She has more right than these towels. WHO CARES!!! F--=ing Lawyers!

I definitely understand her anxiety, being a good mother, she got nervous and got off the airplane before they even left the gate (according to her statement and the hotel reservation seems to support her claim).

Having said that, I do feel sorry for the Iraqi men as well; they are helping our troops which probably makes them pariah within large portions of their community and here they're being "targeted" by the very same people they're trying to help. It’s sad but unfortunately part of life as long as large parts of Muslim communities’ engage in suicide bombings, etc. I say large portions of communities because if someone does not actively reject any and all forms of all terrorism activities, including supporting terrorist organizations like Hamas, Al Fatah, Hezbullah, etc... with money or even just verbal support – you’re in effect part of the problem.

 

[AV80R]

...Number of airplanes hijacked by illegal Hispanic immigrants = ZERO...

Probably not a very compelling argument; apparently, (some of) the illegal Hispanics prefer to execute students on their way home rather than to hijack airplanes...