Concerned Mom Won't Fly with Arabs (who train Marines)

[Captain Morgan]

Nice work PCL.


CM

 

[XJohXJ]

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[say again]

Its the sign of the times guys!! Sadly, but people are gonna feel like this no matter what for a long time coming.

 

[highsky]

3000 Americans killed in one shot. How many Americans are killed by illegal immigrants in this country? How about I dont go into a nightclub because there are black people in there. You know majority of people on death row are black.

Number of airplanes hijacked by illegal Hispanic immigrants = ZERO

Number of airplanes hijacked by blacks = ZERO

Number of airplanes hijacked by Muslim men of Arab descent between 19-36 = MANY

Good on her. I'd do the exact same thing.

 

[highsky]

Some of you liberal politically-correct types are forgetting something here: she didn't just walk off the plane because they were Arab, she walked off the plane because they were Arab and acting in a suspicious manner. If she had walked on the plane, saw an Arab guy sitting there, and immediately caused a scene and demanded to be let off the plane, then you might have a valid argument. But that's not the case. She waited until she saw suspicious behavior. This is exactly what all of us should be looking for.

About a year ago, when I was still in the left seat at Pinnacle, I had a similar situation. About 5 Arab males in their 20s-30s were acting somewhat suspiciously. The gate agent let me know that she had noticed them behaving strangely during check in and sitting at the gate. I thanked her for the heads up and told her that we'd keep an eye on them. During boarding, the stew noticed that the men were scattered throughout the plane and were all keeping a very close eye on the flight deck door. After the stew told me that, I decided that maybe the gate agent wasn't imagining things and it was time to look into it further. I had the agent check to see where they were going, and it turned out that all of them were Pakistani citizens, but all of them had tickets to different final destinations. It all seemed just a little off to me: a bunch of Pakistani men who were talking in Arabic to each other as if they were good friends during check in, who then act as if they don't know each other and scatter throughout the plane during boarding while watching the flight deck, and all of them are going different places? Nope, too many red flags for me. I called the VP Security and he called up DHS. They pulled the guys off the plane and took them for questioning. I called the VP a week later to see what had come of it, figuring that I had probably just overreacted. This is all that the VP could tell me: "The men are still in custody due to an ongoing investigation. DHS won't say anything further, because they say the case is security-sensitive information." Moral of the story? Don't be afraid to say something if you notice suspicious behavior from Arabic men. It might be nothing, or it might be the next dry-run from a group of would-be hijackers. Keep an eye out.

This woman did nothing wrong, and she doesn't need to apologize. We need more people like her, not less.

Nice work.

 

[capt. megadeth]

When you are in the air and they all pull out 6" composite knives and begin slashing passengers necks?

:uzi:

How quickly we forget Arab males, age 19-36, were the ones who killed almost 3000 Americans.

Exactly! I mean if the guys are good guys, I feel bad that they get looked at wierd because they are Arabic but that's just the world we live in today. They should be pissed at Osama and all the freaks, not us.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Statistically, in many cities, blacks account for the most armed robberies... so I'm assuming that whites should be wary of ANY and EVERY black man, because the blacks "should realize that americans are concerened about their behaviour and should adapt. I understand that's not right, but that's the way it should be?"

Well........it sucks but that's how stereotypes work. So, if blacks account for the most armed robberies, it would actually surprise you that whites would be more wary of them? HELLOOOOO?????

The way it SHOULD be is that people MIND THEIR OWN FRIGGIN BUSINESS, don't rob other people and don't kill other people. Then it would be the way "it should be". Noone would have to profile or stereotype because there would be nothing to be afraid of.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Maybe my ATM shouldnt give me the option of choosing English.

Actually, it shouldn't. If you want to live here, you should speak ENGLISH!
The ATM thing gets on my nerves! I want the option of Swahili.....why the f*** isn't THAT on there? It should ONLY HAVE ENGLISH! This is AMERICA not Mexico.

 

[capt. megadeth]

Let's talk about assumptions..... I know there are always exceptions\, etc, etc., but be careful with these people, never assume they think the way we do....

Correct me if I'm wrong, but these days it sure seems to me that while not all Muslims are terrorists, all terrorists sure seem to be Muslim. When all these guys are running around hijacking airliners and they have a history of doing crazy stuff, forgive me for being a little suspicious....

BTW-A very good friend of mine went to a major aviation college and found out that the guy he roomed with for a couple of years was one of the hijackers on 9-11. All the above statements applied to this roomie as well (honest, hard -working, etc. etc) Right until this guy fooled everyone long enough to fly a plane into a building!

Get off your sill highhorse of political correctness. Fact is that while all Muslims might not be terrorists, give me an instance within the last decade or two involoving terrorists who are not Muslim.....

-Bueller, Bueller

Amen bro! Amen!

BTW, that's crazy about your friend. How eerie.

These PC crazy people off in their la la land are going to be the demise of this country.

 

[StarChecker]

The flying public has been gripped by paranoia for quite some time.

Check out "United 93". It's on HBO this month.


Then talk about "paranoia"....schmuck.

 

[Flyer1015]

Get off your sill highhorse of political correctness. Fact is that while all Muslims might not be terrorists, give me an instance within the last decade or two involoving terrorists who are not Muslim.....

-Bueller, Bueller

Here you go:

1985 Air India B747 terrorist bombing inflight, 329 dead. Sikh terrorists. Yes, Sikh. Not Muslim.

1985, The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelamof massacre, 146 Sinhalese civilians murdered by these terrorists.

1987, Bombing of Greek Air Force bus carrying American military personnel. A group called 'November 17' claims responsibility.

1987, An assault by an IRA team on Loughall RUC base is stopped by SAS commandos, who kill eight attackers and a civilian.

1990, The IRA shoot down a British army helicopter in County Tyrone, Northern Ireland, near the border with the Irish Republic.

NUMEROUS IRA attacks on civilians. That's terrorism, too.

NUMEROUS bombings in Columbia throughout the last two decades, all drug cartel rivalry, and plenty of civilians dead.

1994, In the Cave of the Patriarchs massacre, Baruch Goldstein kills 29 Palestinian civilians in an attack.

Luis Carriles organized a string of bombings at luxury hotels in Cuba in 1997.

1998, Omagh bombing by the Real IRA (an IRA splinter group) kills 29.

A train derailment in India kills 130 people in the Rafiganj rail disaster. Naxalite terrorists.

NUMEROUS civilians killed by Columbian FARC throughout the years.

2006, The LTTE detonate two claymore mines targeting a bus carrying 140 civilians in Sri Lanka. 68 civilians, including ten children, three pregnant women and their unborns, are killed. Approximately 60 civilians are injured.

The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eealem (LTTE) has killed MANY civilians in terrorist attacks throughout the years.

There's many more if you look hard enough.

The point is you're sadly mistaken if you think terrorism in today's world is isolated to Muslim radicals only.

 

[Flyer1015]

I'm sure you do you liberal POS. Maybe if the screeners and paxs had been a little more paranoid on 9/11, some of this might not have happened. So tell me to shove it. Good for you. Just so you know, you are being watched now...........and a lot of us don't have short-term-merory loss like a lot of hacks on this board.

Hahahaha. The 'POS' namecalling. Says a lot about your character. 9/11 happened with tools that were allowed on planes back then.

Calling me liberal and all, then take a step back and blame your government for intelligence failures that led to 9/11. How certain documents titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within United States" went ignored.

 

[Flyer1015]

Check out "United 93". It's on HBO this month.


Then talk about "paranoia"....schmuck.

I REFUSE to watch a movie set to profit on the events of 9/11, but thanks for the offer!


I agree with PCL_128 that if something truly suspicious is observed, then go ahead and take the right course of action.

 

[PCL_128]

I REFUSE to watch a movie set to profit on the events of 9/11, but thanks for the offer!

I had some of the same thoughts before watching it, but the families of the victims all approved of the movie, and a portion of the profits went to 9/11 charities. This movie really shouldn't be missed. I think everyone should watch it to be reminded of exactly what we're dealing with, especially as members of this profession.

 

[AC560]

Calling me liberal and all, then take a step back and blame your government for intelligence failures that led to 9/11. How certain documents titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within United States" went ignored.

I agree and wonder why more emphasis hasn't been placed on determining why the Clinton Administration didn't do more to chase Bin Laden down. Sadly I think some key evidence in regards to that ended up in Sandy Berger's pants, never to be seen again.

 

[Hvy]

Hey tool, Americans have killed more civilians than 19 arabs. Step away from Fox News and look at the big picture. If you want to treat all arabs the same, then we should treat all Americans the same and i can guarantee you that more people have died from the hands of americans than arabs.

Ahhh....part of the "Blame America First Crowd." Pull your head out of your *** and look at what is going on worldwide. If you're not concerned about Muslims and how a very large percentage of them twist their religion to kill non-muslims you do not have a clue what is going on in the world today. It is not a gentle religion and don't fill your head with the thought that it is.

 

[Hvy]

Hahahaha. The 'POS' namecalling. Says a lot about your character. 9/11 happened with tools that were allowed on planes back then.

Calling me liberal and all, then take a step back and blame your government for intelligence failures that led to 9/11. How certain documents titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within United States" went ignored.

So it's our government's fault that muslim extremists attacked us? Liberal isn't the word that I would use to describe you.

 

[Flyer1015]

So it's our government's fault that muslim extremists attacked us? Liberal isn't the word that I would use to describe you.

I said intelligence failures as a result of incompetence within the government. VERY important documents never got to the right hands to take the right actions. Documents labeled "bin laden determined to attack the United States" should NOT have been ignored. The FBI and CIA, prior to 9/11, did not have info sharing like they should have. It was almost 'competitiveness' to see who could be better than the other, and lots of information never got into the right hands. After 9/11, serious intelligence failures were cited.

Ahhh....part of the "Blame America First Crowd." Pull your head out of your *** and look at what is going on worldwide. If you're not concerned about Muslims and how a very large percentage of them twist their religion to kill non-muslims you do not have a clue what is going on in the world today. It is not a gentle religion and don't fill your head with the thought that it is.

I liked the first bolded part of your post, because that is true. The second bolded part is where I disagree... that bolded statement is true when the radicals twist the religion to suit them. My family doctor is actually a Pakistani Muslim guy, and I would never tell him his religion isn't gentle. "Know thy enemy" , and that enemy are the radical Muslims who twist their religion to further their agendas. That's the enemy. Not good guys like my doctor.

 

[C-17 Driver]

Hahahaha. The 'POS' namecalling. Says a lot about your character. 9/11 happened with tools that were allowed on planes back then.

Calling me liberal and all, then take a step back and blame your government for intelligence failures that led to 9/11. How certain documents titled "Bin Laden determined to attack within United States" went ignored.

You said "Your Government." Are you a US citizen? I don't mean to be disrespectful. You indicated that you lived here since you were a child. If you identify yourself with another country and not as an American citizen, most of your arguments, even if valid, will fall upon deaf ears, because it was our United States that was attacked.

By using the term "your government," you marginalize yourself in the eyes of a lot of the readers and immediately turn it into an Us vs. Them. If you are not a U.S. citizen, how can you expect us to give any credence to your opinion? If the US Government is not yours, may I respectfully ask which government you took an oath of allegiance to and to protect and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic?

Oath of Allegiance for Naturalized Citizens

Oath of Allegiance


The oath of allegiance is:
"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

 

[Flyer1015]

You said "Your Government." Are you a US citizen? I don't mean to be disrespectful. You indicated that you lived here since you were a child. If you identify yourself with another country and not as an American citizen, most of your arguments, even if valid, will fall upon deaf ears, because it was our United States that was attacked.

By using the term "your government," you marginalize yourself in the eyes of a lot of the readers and immediately turn it into an Us vs. Them. If you are not a U.S. citizen, how can you expect us to give any credence to your opinion? If the US Government is not yours, may I respectfully ask which government you took an oath of allegiance to and to protect and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic?

By using the term "your government," you marginalize yourself in the eyes of a lot of the readers and immediately turn it into an Us vs. Them. If you are not a U.S. citizen, how can you expect us to give any credence to your opinion? If the US Government is not yours, may I respectfully ask which government you took an oath of allegiance to and to protect and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic?

Make no mistake, I am a US citizen.

You misunderstood me. You called me a liberal POS, so that makes it pretty clear you are on the conservative right. So, by saying 'your government' , I meant the Bush yahoo leading the office today. The Republican led government which righties love so much. That's what I meant by your government. Yes, it is my government, but I was emphasizing the conservative right by saying 'your' government, caues you are that far right/conservative.

Anyway, it would be foolish to think that 9/11 was planned only after Bush came into office. Blame goes around to the Clinton administration as well.

But in *todays* world, Bush has made it far worse instead of making us safer.

 

[Jonny Sacko]

No dude, You're not an American. You're some foreigner trying to change MY country to fit your crap way of life. Just because some lawyer said "You're in" doesn't slightly mean you're an American. I won't be as nice as that other fella, who's flying missions so I can correct you without a weapon! Remember that, and welcome to America. We got our asses kicked a couple of years ago, and won't let ANYONE try to pull that ******************** again!

 

[Flyer1015]

No dude, You're not an American. You're some foreigner trying to change MY country to fit your crap way of life. Just because some lawyer said "You're in" doesn't slightly mean you're an American. I won't be as nice as that other fella, who's flying missions so I can correct you without a weapon! Remember that, and welcome to America. We got our asses kicked a couple of years ago, and won't let ANYONE try to pull that ******************** again!

LMAO!

The difference between you and I?

I was a 'foreigner' from the early 1990s. You (your family) on the other hand immigrated to this country anywhere from the year 1500 to 19xx. Face it, at some point, we were all foreigners to this land known as America. The Native Indians were lied to, broken treaties with, and given diseased blankets as the 'greeting.' They got hosed, no doubt. So look past the history of ancestors settling in America before ripping on others. You 'beat' me to this country by several decades (or hundred-some years). Want a cookie?

Btw, love the attitude! "You're some foreigner trying to change my way of life blah blah blah" ----> even after you had been told I was a US citizen.

You personify the very image that most in the world view us Americans as arrogant.

 

[PCL_128]

No dude, You're not an American. You're some foreigner trying to change MY country to fit your crap way of life. Just because some lawyer said "You're in" doesn't slightly mean you're an American. I won't be as nice as that other fella, who's flying missions so I can correct you without a weapon! Remember that, and welcome to America. We got our asses kicked a couple of years ago, and won't let ANYONE try to pull that ******************** again!

What an ass.

 

[MountainFreak]

Hey Jonny Sacko; with all your tough talk, why aren't you in the OEF/OIF right now? I'll take a guess- your grammar is too poor and the recruiters turned you down. No, I take that back. You didn't have the guts to enlist. F-n moron....

 

[Jmoney]

Tool!

LMAO!

The difference between you and I?

I was a 'foreigner' from the early 1990s. You (your family) on the other hand immigrated to this country anywhere from the year 1500 to 19xx. Face it, at some point, we were all foreigners to this land known as America. The Native Indians were lied to, broken treaties with, and given diseased blankets as the 'greeting.' They got hosed, no doubt. So look past the history of ancestors settling in America before ripping on others. You 'beat' me to this country by several decades (or hundred-some years). Want a cookie?

Btw, love the attitude! "You're some foreigner trying to change my way of life blah blah blah" ----> even after you had been told I was a US citizen.

You personify the very image that most in the world view us Americans as arrogant.

You sir are a complete TOOL, regardless of your country of origin......

Let's all sit around here are make excuses for evil. These guys are evil and they are all muslim.......

Maybe I should be more specific-muslim terrorists shoot schoolchildren in the back as they attempt tp escape the school these "peaceful innocent muslims" have commandeered. They blow themselves up on schoolbuses and in markets and cafes all over the world. These guys even shoved schoolgirls back into a burning school building in Afghanistan because these girls were not wearing their burkas.

You have got to be kidding us by equating all this evil with all sorts of other political splinter groups around and about.

We are clearly dealing with pure evil. There are no excuses for these people.

 

[stupidpilot]

Geez, Give the lady a break will ya? She thought about the safety of her family first and being PC second. She apologized what else do you want?

 

[PCL_128]

Let's all sit around here are make excuses for evil.

Umm, where exactly did he "make excuses for evil?" I must have missed that part.

 

[BigMeat]

The great thing about being an American is that everyone has the same rights. It does not matter where you are from, your religion, your political party, etc. So for all you right wing bubba Bush loving crazies it does not matter what you think. The Constitution protects all. So that means if you step out of line trying to make it hard on fellow Americans your gonna get smacked. You know its true. You rarely hear somone talk like you do in the real world. You hide by your computers and talk like scared children. If you truly believe the way you do Im sure there is a KKK march that would be happy to have your attendance. Oh by the ways the majority of Arabs in this country are Christians. Thats not what Jesus would do is it? No Im not a lib. Im an American that believe in our Democracy. I dont believe in same sex marriage, abortion, amongst other. I do believe that as an American I have the right to stick to my beliefs and not impose them on others.

 

[Rook]

Okc........

Oh how soon we forget, Vne.

Hope some of you guys never need your oil changed, or groceries, or something to eat in Dearborn Mich. Oh and good on you PCL. You're the PIC and did what you needed to do.

 

[Flyer1015]

You sir are a complete TOOL, regardless of your country of origin......

Let's all sit around here are make excuses for evil. These guys are evil and they are all muslim.......

Maybe I should be more specific-muslim terrorists shoot schoolchildren in the back as they attempt tp escape the school these "peaceful innocent muslims" have commandeered. They blow themselves up on schoolbuses and in markets and cafes all over the world. These guys even shoved schoolgirls back into a burning school building in Afghanistan because these girls were not wearing their burkas.

You have got to be kidding us by equating all this evil with all sorts of other political splinter groups around and about.

We are clearly dealing with pure evil. There are no excuses for these people.

PCL 128 pointed it out, and I will reiterate that I have NOT made excuses for evil!

Multiple people had asked about terrorism related activities in the last two decades caused by someone other than radical Muslims, so I listed some.

All the heinous acts you listed are sad. But Muslim radicals aren't alone. Research yourself and you will find many groups (like the IRA and the LTTE) have killed many civilians using methods similar to radical Muslims. Terrorism is terrorism, and it is not limited to one race, religion, or creed of people.