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My nine year old would be the first to tell you that he wouldn't enjoy being stuck on a plane for that long, so do you honestly think the crews weren't doing everything in their power to get the customers back to the gate? I agree, this was handled poorly and management admitted to that. But to sit here and bash crews for their apparent "unhumane" actions is flat out appalling. By the way, I don't think this happened to just JB either. Guess this thread proves we're not all professional.
 
Hey Man...11 hours is along time to sit up front. You think the crew were to scared to leave the cockpit to piss ? Not only is this pure incompetence, but to be unable to develope a plan in 11 hours is even sadder. Let's not forget the overall "New york" mentallity. You think port authority had a plan to help out ? That corner of the Northeast is filled with the most inept folk you can find. I thought the south was bad.....
 
BBB...As Captain, what would you have done to save the lives of those passengers ? Would you have Bodly told them "This is your Captain speaking: Buckle up...I'm gonna ram the terminal with the plane and get you all inside one way or another".....There's blame everywhere...but what gets me is the lack of no plan by any company or airport for this type of problem. That's where the true incompetence comes from....

P.S. Fire up the hoo-ka and relax....
 
BBB has shown himself as another spoon-fed military pilot who has shown up here in the real world with no real clue on what we do and the issues we face on a day to day basis.
 
Im sorry, but this whole "frozen to the tarmac" rationale is ...laughable. You must be kidding me! This is the ultimate b/s catch phrase to put the icing on the cake. They wanted to get the aircraft to the gate, but it was frozen to the ground...oh please!

Idea 1: get some deice fluid on it. Low pressure, spray a little on the ground around the gear. Hillary wont allow that, it hurts the environment. Idea 2, get a friggin mx down there with a shovel. Idea 3 pour the coals to it...screw the greenhouse gasses.

Incompetence. Lack of overall operational experience? Naw, just a poor choice of words to the media and that damn global warming. ;)

See, global warming is affecting everything. :0 Not many snowstorms anymore, mgmt does not know how to deal with it when it does finally happen.

Airplanes frozen to the tarmac just dosen't fly with me.
 
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jetz, were you there? if so you would have noticed that the whole airport was an ice skating ring, groung equipment, tugs, de-ice trucks were usless trying to drive on ice. also, the port authority had issues with trucks drivin on taxiways. what a tool...
 
the port authority had issues with trucks drivin on taxiways. what a tool...

What about the airport manager allowing airplanes on the taxiway, that fire trucks cant even drive on. You got to put some of the blame with the airport manager. I sure he will fire someone else for his lack of management.
 
If I had been on board with my kids, I would have given them 15 minutes warning, then blown a slide.....

Then do what? Trudge a 1/2 mile to a mile in freezing rain and snowstorm with your kids across Ice covered active taxi-ways with moving aircraft and ground equipment? Factor in the wind, you may have a good case of frostbite before you reach the terminal.

I realize that they were on the plane entirely way to long, but you can not let people jsut get out of the plane in the middle of the airport and go it on foot. The very least you need a bus, It is still much safer on the plane then pulling a stunt like that.
 
Freightdogs and jumpseaters, all monday-morning quarterbacking this one to death. I really enjoyed the tough guys talking about "blowing the slide himself, and giving the captain the finger on the way out".

You guys crack me up, see ya in the funny papers.

Hey FDF
Maybe he is a DC8 guy? In that case I hope the rope is attached! DOH!
 
To all the bigshots who would have blown a slide to evacuate passengers from a uncomfortable but safe environment, go get some help and while your at it, read the definitions of maturity and judgement and what being PIC means. You would have a hard time explaining to the FAA, the media(which seems to be a great source of accurate info according to you), or to a judge at your incompetence trial, why this was the better route than keeping people safely aboard. I was in the lineup, stuck for more than six hours after landing. Our choices were, as I saw them:
1. keep our cool, keep our passengers safe, lobby for a gate or someway to deplane safely. Keep customers informed that we were doing everything, short of evac, to get them off.
2. get irrational, threaten to do something stupid, do something stupid, regret it later when someone is was injured.
We chose the former.

We were fortunate in that we had a light load. Our lavs remained serviceable right up until we deplaned (they were full though) and we had made arrangements to have them serviced if needed. We had water, soda and juices, and beer:beer: , and of course blue chips and biscotti. Our APU was on the entire time and the cabin remained comfortable, and more importantly, safe.

No one, particularly those of us that were out there will defend what happened. But to anyone who would have blown a slide, you really need to stop and consider the ramifications of your actions before you fire off an ill conceived decision like that. This was not a V1 cut that needed instant action. Dealing with bad press because of management decisions is one thing. Trying to defend a stupid decision that results in injuries, made in haste because you're pissed off at a situation is much more difficult. We all know the statistics of passenger injury during evacs. Injuries would have happened. I could go on and on, but there are those who "get it" and those who never will. Your passenger SAFETY comes first, comfort second. You are the PIC of that aircraft, not the planet, and you have to do what is best for your passengers, even when they want to act like children and evac a safe airplane.

To anyone who brings up the lame "you lack a union so you were afraid for your job" argument my response is this: IT NEVER ENTERED MY MIND.

My company has a HUGE, well deserved black eye and is taking the criticism straight on, not deflecting it to other entities. I have not and will not respond to the criticism being heaped on JB. We deserve it. My rant is directed at the monday morning quarterbacks who were not there, attacking the professionals who were there. If you are "afraid" to jump to work on us because "we lack the balls to make the tough decisions" fine. Have fun walking to work, because I can't think of a single airline off the top of my head that hasn't had an accident, incident, "hostage event", cargo fire, etc. Hopefully your airline goes everywhere you need to go, because the rest of us in the industry are incompetent, according to your high school mentality definition of judgement.
 

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