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If I had been on board with my kids, I would have given them 15 minutes warning, then blown a slide.....

Then do what? Trudge a 1/2 mile to a mile in freezing rain and snowstorm with your kids across Ice covered active taxi-ways with moving aircraft and ground equipment? Factor in the wind, you may have a good case of frostbite before you reach the terminal.

I realize that they were on the plane entirely way to long, but you can not let people jsut get out of the plane in the middle of the airport and go it on foot. The very least you need a bus, It is still much safer on the plane then pulling a stunt like that.
 
Freightdogs and jumpseaters, all monday-morning quarterbacking this one to death. I really enjoyed the tough guys talking about "blowing the slide himself, and giving the captain the finger on the way out".

You guys crack me up, see ya in the funny papers.

Hey FDF
Maybe he is a DC8 guy? In that case I hope the rope is attached! DOH!
 
To all the bigshots who would have blown a slide to evacuate passengers from a uncomfortable but safe environment, go get some help and while your at it, read the definitions of maturity and judgement and what being PIC means. You would have a hard time explaining to the FAA, the media(which seems to be a great source of accurate info according to you), or to a judge at your incompetence trial, why this was the better route than keeping people safely aboard. I was in the lineup, stuck for more than six hours after landing. Our choices were, as I saw them:
1. keep our cool, keep our passengers safe, lobby for a gate or someway to deplane safely. Keep customers informed that we were doing everything, short of evac, to get them off.
2. get irrational, threaten to do something stupid, do something stupid, regret it later when someone is was injured.
We chose the former.

We were fortunate in that we had a light load. Our lavs remained serviceable right up until we deplaned (they were full though) and we had made arrangements to have them serviced if needed. We had water, soda and juices, and beer:beer: , and of course blue chips and biscotti. Our APU was on the entire time and the cabin remained comfortable, and more importantly, safe.

No one, particularly those of us that were out there will defend what happened. But to anyone who would have blown a slide, you really need to stop and consider the ramifications of your actions before you fire off an ill conceived decision like that. This was not a V1 cut that needed instant action. Dealing with bad press because of management decisions is one thing. Trying to defend a stupid decision that results in injuries, made in haste because you're pissed off at a situation is much more difficult. We all know the statistics of passenger injury during evacs. Injuries would have happened. I could go on and on, but there are those who "get it" and those who never will. Your passenger SAFETY comes first, comfort second. You are the PIC of that aircraft, not the planet, and you have to do what is best for your passengers, even when they want to act like children and evac a safe airplane.

To anyone who brings up the lame "you lack a union so you were afraid for your job" argument my response is this: IT NEVER ENTERED MY MIND.

My company has a HUGE, well deserved black eye and is taking the criticism straight on, not deflecting it to other entities. I have not and will not respond to the criticism being heaped on JB. We deserve it. My rant is directed at the monday morning quarterbacks who were not there, attacking the professionals who were there. If you are "afraid" to jump to work on us because "we lack the balls to make the tough decisions" fine. Have fun walking to work, because I can't think of a single airline off the top of my head that hasn't had an accident, incident, "hostage event", cargo fire, etc. Hopefully your airline goes everywhere you need to go, because the rest of us in the industry are incompetent, according to your high school mentality definition of judgement.
 
To all the bigshots who would have blown a slide to evacuate passengers from a uncomfortable but safe environment, go get some help and while your at it, read the definitions of maturity and judgement and what being PIC means. You would have a hard time explaining to the FAA, the media(which seems to be a great source of accurate info according to you), or to a judge at your incompetence trial, why this was the better route than keeping people safely aboard. I was in the lineup, stuck for more than six hours after landing. Our choices were, as I saw them:
1. keep our cool, keep our passengers safe, lobby for a gate or someway to deplane safely. Keep customers informed that we were doing everything, short of evac, to get them off.
2. get irrational, threaten to do something stupid, do something stupid, regret it later when someone is was injured.
We chose the former.

We were fortunate in that we had a light load. Our lavs remained serviceable right up until we deplaned (they were full though) and we had made arrangements to have them serviced if needed. We had water, soda and juices, and beer:beer: , and of course blue chips and biscotti. Our APU was on the entire time and the cabin remained comfortable, and more importantly, safe.

No one, particularly those of us that were out there will defend what happened. But to anyone who would have blown a slide, you really need to stop and consider the ramifications of your actions before you fire off an ill conceived decision like that. This was not a V1 cut that needed instant action. Dealing with bad press because of management decisions is one thing. Trying to defend a stupid decision that results in injuries, made in haste because you're pissed off at a situation is much more difficult. We all know the statistics of passenger injury during evacs. Injuries would have happened. I could go on and on, but there are those who "get it" and those who never will. Your passenger SAFETY comes first, comfort second. You are the PIC of that aircraft, not the planet, and you have to do what is best for your passengers, even when they want to act like children and evac a safe airplane.

To anyone who brings up the lame "you lack a union so you were afraid for your job" argument my response is this: IT NEVER ENTERED MY MIND.

My company has a HUGE, well deserved black eye and is taking the criticism straight on, not deflecting it to other entities. I have not and will not respond to the criticism being heaped on JB. We deserve it. My rant is directed at the monday morning quarterbacks who were not there, attacking the professionals who were there. If you are "afraid" to jump to work on us because "we lack the balls to make the tough decisions" fine. Have fun walking to work, because I can't think of a single airline off the top of my head that hasn't had an accident, incident, "hostage event", cargo fire, etc. Hopefully your airline goes everywhere you need to go, because the rest of us in the industry are incompetent, according to your high school mentality definition of judgement.
 
right from the horses's mouth!

Hey guys/gals....havent we beat this up enough?

More arm chair quaterbacking or heroic slide deployments with finger up in the air gestures now only serves push your agenda and vent personal frustrations, and doesnt really contribute any good to anyone on here.

Isnt 8 pages of the same BS enough?
 
that, or he didn't get hired at jb and is seeking revenge.


I can't stop laughing at this. In fact there have been a couple in this thread that have said something to this affect. Right now BBB is not only worrying about those JetBlue failures commanding the hostage flights the other day, but also how he is going to spend the quarter million he'll make this year working 13 days a month. Then when his worrying is over, he'll think about the stock plan, the cheap health benefits, the 401K, the A plan, the B Plan, the 380, the 55 other jets on firm order, the staggering profits of a 100 year old company, etc, etc.

Hopefully, after his anxiety and thoughts of self-pity subside, he won't be forced to drink his life away because he is so miffed that he is not flying at JetBlue. Big Beer Belly, I am sorry that you didn't make it at JetBlue......please remember, your life is worth something, you are worth something........don't cry over spilled milk. It will turn out ok.
 
Just in on the local news in New York it was reported that there was cannibalizm at the the 8th hour of being "frozen" to the ground. Apparently, a man was found in the Lav. eating the remains of another human with those "Blue" chips that they serve. He was quoted as saying..." I just want a corn beef sandwhich...why cant I get a corn beef sandwhich".

Word spread quickly amongst the passengers who quickly became outraged because he had "hoarded" all the blue chips. He was subsequently subdued and eat'en....more news to follow.
 
How could any rational thinking aircrew strand passengers on an airplane without air, power, functioning lavs, or food for up to 11 hours?

For the love of baby jesus I can only imagine it is because JetBlue has no union and the incompetent captain and even more frightened FO fears for their jobs should they start an APU or leave an engine running (like normal pilots would!). After an hour, any NORMAL pilot would have DEMANDED that the EMPTY airplane at the gate be towed clear and we be towed/taxi in. Apparently Jetblue has cornered the market on absolute freakin' MORONS (captains) that sit in a holding pen for up to 11 HOURS with no electricity, no air, no food, no functioning lavatories and no freakin' brains! As a passenger I would have called 911 and called a halt to the INSANITY many hours before!

You IDIOTS at JetBlue deserve congressional intervention in the form of a passenger bill of rights because you are TOO STUPID to regulate yourselves! Have I mentioned that because of your STUPIDITY congress will finally force some guidance upon you!

Honest to God... stranding families in the back of your aluminum tube with no electricity, no flow of air, no heat, no meaningful food, no functioning lavatories and no information for up to 11 HOURS is such an abysmal FAILURE of the most basic kind as to require no further explanation. Apparently multiple idiot crews were involved in this unbelievable debacle... which makes me wonder if ALL the pilots at this poor airline all fear for their job and put safety of passengers second to keeping their crappy, low-paying job!

BBB

Wow! Is it that you didn't get past Phase I? Relax dude, you're gonna blow a head gasket and ruin your whole "high-and-mighty" career.

-PB
 
You had a half dozen or more instances of complete and utter incompetence on the part of JetBlue leadership and you are wondering where the problem lies? OMG! You guys at JetBlue really are clueless!

BBB

Amen! But that is the direct result of the one and only requirement to get hired here: must be willing to wheel a paraplegic up the jetway and must be willing to clean cabins.
 
To those that want to blow a slide or an overwing hatch to escape being trapped:
This very scenario was brought up by Bill O'Reilly to Judge Napolitano. The judge told Bill O that anyone that does that faces 20 years in jail due to the Patriot Act and laws made to protect airplanes and crews and unauthorized entrance onto airport property.
Have fun in jail.
 
Hell, if it was me, I would just clamp the cigar in my teeth a little tighter and power out of being frozen to the "tarmac" by firewalling the throttles. Screw the guys behind me with all their expensive, sissified data devices hanging all over their sissy planes. Then when I broke her free, I'd have kept those engines maxxed out and gone across the frozen infield! I'd would then change into my super hero costume and become UNIONMAN! I'd have made one radio call--and it would have been: Neelman, you'd better clear out gate 4--cause I'm a comin' in!!! That would get some action quick! I would play the throttles for directional control because my gear would collapse going across the ice banks, and I knew that since the aircraft was 4 feet shorter now, I would probably ram ground equipment with both wings, but I would keep up the power and as my destroyed aircraft settled at the gate, I would look up at the startled gate agent and say "Lower it bitch--these people are waiting"
 
Hell, if it was me, I would just clamp the cigar in my teeth a little tighter and power out of being frozen to the "tarmac" by firewalling the throttles. Screw the guys behind me with all their expensive, sissified data devices hanging all over their sissy planes. Then when I broke her free, I'd have kept those engines maxxed out and gone across the frozen infield! I'd would then change into my super hero costume and become UNIONMAN! I'd have made one radio call--and it would have been: Neelman, you'd better clear out gate 4--cause I'm a comin' in!!! That would get some action quick! I would play the throttles for directional control because my gear would collapse going across the ice banks, and I knew that since the aircraft was 4 feet shorter now, I would probably ram ground equipment with both wings, but I would keep up the power and as my destroyed aircraft settled at the gate, I would look up at the startled gate agent and say "Lower it bitch--these people are waiting"


Hahahaha
 
Hell, if it was me, I would just clamp the cigar in my teeth a little tighter and power out of being frozen to the "tarmac" by firewalling the throttles. Screw the guys behind me with all their expensive, sissified data devices hanging all over their sissy planes. Then when I broke her free, I'd have kept those engines maxxed out and gone across the frozen infield! I'd would then change into my super hero costume and become UNIONMAN! I'd have made one radio call--and it would have been: Neelman, you'd better clear out gate 4--cause I'm a comin' in!!! That would get some action quick! I would play the throttles for directional control because my gear would collapse going across the ice banks, and I knew that since the aircraft was 4 feet shorter now, I would probably ram ground equipment with both wings, but I would keep up the power and as my destroyed aircraft settled at the gate, I would look up at the startled gate agent and say "Lower it bitch--these people are waiting"

I've said it before, I'll say it again, GET ME JOE PATRONI. I'll be back in time if I have to pull that plane out with my teeth! Let us put it this way: You promised me a box of cigars if I pull this off, right? Well, what're you standing here for? Go get 'em! You chickened out on me! I told you I wanted all the power you got! Who do ya think you're talking to, some kid that fixes bicycles? I know every inch of the 707! Take the wings off this and you could use it as a TANK! This plane is built to withstand anything... except a bad pilot. This was not meant as an insult; I've just watched that movie far too many times!
 
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