Complete Incompetence!

[mdf]

Sheesh!!!!! I know this was jacked up, but come on. If I got on this board, and complained everytime you box hauling companies messed up some of my shipments, I would have a General Lee type post count. Bad Karma BBB. Bad Karma.

 

[ferlo]

The Captain is Singularly responsible for the welfare of the people. 30 years ago, this would have never happend. Back then, Captains authority really meant something. Over the years, it's been slowly given up and taken away. Obviously this crew was totally unaware of their mandated authority as PIC.

The laws are still on the books, I don't care what the company says, what the agents want, what the ground controllers, need, whatever. The Captain has to have the stones to say enough is enough. The FARs are in place to back him up. I would have blown the slides myself and given the "captain" the finger as I walked into any unlocked door I could find. It's disgraceful.

 

[skiandsurf]

Way to show some marbles Ski! That's exactly the kind of can-do attitude I was hoping more JetBlue captains would have demonstrated in this last debacle. Instead, they sat there meekly while their passengers suffered. Now, because of their leadership FAILURE, Congress will legislate humane treatment in similar situations in a "passenger bill of rights". If only more captains had demonstrated your leadership there wouldn't be a need for Congress to intervene and "do what's right".

BBB

I think too many pilots are "afraid" of getting into trouble with either the company or the FAA. I do, and have always done my job without the fear of getting into trouble. I have done a lot of things that others might think are crazy or troublesome. I do things that are safe and meaningful. I am not afraid of the FAA or my company. I do things safely.......ie...I landed at EWR without a clearance, but it was safer for me to land than to go back into that crazy, busy airspace.....never heard a word from anyone.

The problem is airlines hire guys that can read a manual and do what it says. They do not hire pilots with common sense. If the plane crashes, they want the voice recorder to have all of the proper calls all the way till their dead, not "oh sh*t, put that checklist down and help me fly the plane". The "100 feet above" impact call shows the pilots were properly trained and therefore are not at fault, even though everyone is dead.

Rant over.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

100%-dead-on-balls-accurate. Aka: DOBA

 

[1st Overnite]

Does jetblue pay block time or a trip segment?

 

[freightdogfred]

Freightdogs and jumpseaters, all monday-morning quarterbacking this one to death. I really enjoyed the tough guys talking about "blowing the slide himself, and giving the captain the finger on the way out".

You guys crack me up, see ya in the funny papers.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Well, I actually agree with BBB. This was a really bad situation and I am upset. Not quite as upset as our BB friend so I have a suggestion. JetBlue needs to work on getting a union, hiring more qualified people, and try to improve the industry. For BBB, my suggestion is different. B6 will probably not change as quickly as he would like, and the very existance of B6 seems to really, really, I mean really bother this freight dog operator, so I suggest that he end it all with pills or a gunshot to the temple. I mean, the suffering has to end for him and I can't stand for a person to be in this much (apparent) pain. I hope this doesn't seem to be too dramatic.

DDD

 

[afres bum]

the mishap pilot was once quoted...

I think too many pilots are "afraid" of getting into trouble with either the company or the FAA. I do, and have always done my job without the fear of getting into trouble. I have done a lot of things that others might think are crazy or troublesome. I do things that are safe and meaningful. I am not afraid of the FAA or my company. I do things safely.......ie...I landed at EWR without a clearance, but it was safer for me to land than to go back into that crazy, busy airspace.....never heard a word from anyone.

 

[canyonblue]

So much so that a parent figure (Congress) is FORCED to intervene ........................

BBB

Parent figure? More like the Uncle that raped you and then put you through College. Name one thing the government does right?

 

[Daedalus]

BBB,

You've proven here that you're no smarter than the average passenger (i.e., self-loading baggage) that flies on US airlines everyday in this country. While you've decided to condemn the 1600 pilots of JetBlue for the sensational headline grabbing media reports of a small handful of JetBlue flightcrews, the last three days of operations at JetBlue have demonstrated incredible acts of leadership by the vast majority of Captains across the entire system that are not worthy of media reporting, but are nevertheless equally relevant in telling the whole story of what has happened.

While it is easy for you to pile on and serve us your condescending rebuke of how poorly we acted as a group. You have no credibility to start this thread since 1.) you weren't in the cockpits of those aircraft as events unfolded, and 2.) you do not fly passengers into and out of JFK airport as a pilot. If you're passing judgement on us because of what you've read in USA Today or MSNBC I'm here to tell you that don't even have thimble full of understanding to the whole story that has occurred.

All you have done here is proven that you are at least as clueless as those you have accussed of being the same at JetBlue. Now if you're feeling smug about stirring this pot go back and look at the mirror and say to yourself out loud "but for the grace of God I hope I never find myself in a situation like that." Because if you think it can't happen to you then you are the true FOOL.

I truly wish no ill on any of us who have to carry out the tremendous responsibilities that are laid at our feet as airline captains for part 121 passenger airlines in this day. When I read about the story of the AA Captain who faced this same situation in Austin the other day, my immdiate reaction was not to burn him at the stake in a public forum, but to try and learn more about the details so I could better understand what happen to him and learn through his experience. Thankfully, by waiting a few extra days and reading more than just the reports from the drive-by media from that event many of the important details of that event event became known and provided much more clarity to what happened.

BBB, you and your ilk would do yourselves a great favor to remember that as well. Constructive criticism involves more than just highlighting the faults, but offering up objective solutions on how the rest of us can learn from your wisdom and experience. After six pages on this thread I haven't read it yet.

Peace out.....

 

[My Man SMITH!]

My nine year old would be the first to tell you that he wouldn't enjoy being stuck on a plane for that long, so do you honestly think the crews weren't doing everything in their power to get the customers back to the gate? I agree, this was handled poorly and management admitted to that. But to sit here and bash crews for their apparent "unhumane" actions is flat out appalling. By the way, I don't think this happened to just JB either. Guess this thread proves we're not all professional.

 

[Front Office]

Jet "green"

 

[SpeedBird]

Jet "green"

Hey popeye, 17,000 hours and multiple type ratings have apparently been wasted if this is how you truly feel with your sophmoric quip.

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

Hey Man...11 hours is along time to sit up front. You think the crew were to scared to leave the cockpit to piss ? Not only is this pure incompetence, but to be unable to develope a plan in 11 hours is even sadder. Let's not forget the overall "New york" mentallity. You think port authority had a plan to help out ? That corner of the Northeast is filled with the most inept folk you can find. I thought the south was bad.....

 

[PURPLEHAZE21]

BBB...As Captain, what would you have done to save the lives of those passengers ? Would you have Bodly told them "This is your Captain speaking: Buckle up...I'm gonna ram the terminal with the plane and get you all inside one way or another".....There's blame everywhere...but what gets me is the lack of no plan by any company or airport for this type of problem. That's where the true incompetence comes from....

P.S. Fire up the hoo-ka and relax....

 

[startingover]

BBB has shown himself as another spoon-fed military pilot who has shown up here in the real world with no real clue on what we do and the issues we face on a day to day basis.

 

[ground stop]

that, or he didn't get hired at jb and is seeking revenge.

 

[Jetz]

Im sorry, but this whole "frozen to the tarmac" rationale is ...laughable. You must be kidding me! This is the ultimate b/s catch phrase to put the icing on the cake. They wanted to get the aircraft to the gate, but it was frozen to the ground...oh please!

Idea 1: get some deice fluid on it. Low pressure, spray a little on the ground around the gear. Hillary wont allow that, it hurts the environment. Idea 2, get a friggin mx down there with a shovel. Idea 3 pour the coals to it...screw the greenhouse gasses.

Incompetence. Lack of overall operational experience? Naw, just a poor choice of words to the media and that damn global warming.

See, global warming is affecting everything. :0 Not many snowstorms anymore, mgmt does not know how to deal with it when it does finally happen.

Airplanes frozen to the tarmac just dosen't fly with me.

 

[XBOEINGDRVR]

jetz, were you there? if so you would have noticed that the whole airport was an ice skating ring, groung equipment, tugs, de-ice trucks were usless trying to drive on ice. also, the port authority had issues with trucks drivin on taxiways. what a tool...

 

[skiandsurf]

the port authority had issues with trucks drivin on taxiways. what a tool...

What about the airport manager allowing airplanes on the taxiway, that fire trucks cant even drive on. You got to put some of the blame with the airport manager. I sure he will fire someone else for his lack of management.