Complete Incompetence!

[mdf]

Sheesh!!!!! I know this was jacked up, but come on. If I got on this board, and complained everytime you box hauling companies messed up some of my shipments, I would have a General Lee type post count. Bad Karma BBB. Bad Karma.

 

[ferlo]

The Captain is Singularly responsible for the welfare of the people. 30 years ago, this would have never happend. Back then, Captains authority really meant something. Over the years, it's been slowly given up and taken away. Obviously this crew was totally unaware of their mandated authority as PIC.

The laws are still on the books, I don't care what the company says, what the agents want, what the ground controllers, need, whatever. The Captain has to have the stones to say enough is enough. The FARs are in place to back him up. I would have blown the slides myself and given the "captain" the finger as I walked into any unlocked door I could find. It's disgraceful.

 

[skiandsurf]

Way to show some marbles Ski! That's exactly the kind of can-do attitude I was hoping more JetBlue captains would have demonstrated in this last debacle. Instead, they sat there meekly while their passengers suffered. Now, because of their leadership FAILURE, Congress will legislate humane treatment in similar situations in a "passenger bill of rights". If only more captains had demonstrated your leadership there wouldn't be a need for Congress to intervene and "do what's right".

BBB

I think too many pilots are "afraid" of getting into trouble with either the company or the FAA. I do, and have always done my job without the fear of getting into trouble. I have done a lot of things that others might think are crazy or troublesome. I do things that are safe and meaningful. I am not afraid of the FAA or my company. I do things safely.......ie...I landed at EWR without a clearance, but it was safer for me to land than to go back into that crazy, busy airspace.....never heard a word from anyone.

The problem is airlines hire guys that can read a manual and do what it says. They do not hire pilots with common sense. If the plane crashes, they want the voice recorder to have all of the proper calls all the way till their dead, not "oh sh*t, put that checklist down and help me fly the plane". The "100 feet above" impact call shows the pilots were properly trained and therefore are not at fault, even though everyone is dead.

Rant over.

 

[Oakum_Boy]

100%-dead-on-balls-accurate. Aka: DOBA

 

[1st Overnite]

Does jetblue pay block time or a trip segment?

 

[freightdogfred]

Freightdogs and jumpseaters, all monday-morning quarterbacking this one to death. I really enjoyed the tough guys talking about "blowing the slide himself, and giving the captain the finger on the way out".

You guys crack me up, see ya in the funny papers.

 

[DIAMONDDD]

Well, I actually agree with BBB. This was a really bad situation and I am upset. Not quite as upset as our BB friend so I have a suggestion. JetBlue needs to work on getting a union, hiring more qualified people, and try to improve the industry. For BBB, my suggestion is different. B6 will probably not change as quickly as he would like, and the very existance of B6 seems to really, really, I mean really bother this freight dog operator, so I suggest that he end it all with pills or a gunshot to the temple. I mean, the suffering has to end for him and I can't stand for a person to be in this much (apparent) pain. I hope this doesn't seem to be too dramatic.

DDD

 

[afres bum]

the mishap pilot was once quoted...

I think too many pilots are "afraid" of getting into trouble with either the company or the FAA. I do, and have always done my job without the fear of getting into trouble. I have done a lot of things that others might think are crazy or troublesome. I do things that are safe and meaningful. I am not afraid of the FAA or my company. I do things safely.......ie...I landed at EWR without a clearance, but it was safer for me to land than to go back into that crazy, busy airspace.....never heard a word from anyone.

 

[canyonblue]

So much so that a parent figure (Congress) is FORCED to intervene ........................

BBB

Parent figure? More like the Uncle that raped you and then put you through College. Name one thing the government does right?

 

[Daedalus]

BBB,

You've proven here that you're no smarter than the average passenger (i.e., self-loading baggage) that flies on US airlines everyday in this country. While you've decided to condemn the 1600 pilots of JetBlue for the sensational headline grabbing media reports of a small handful of JetBlue flightcrews, the last three days of operations at JetBlue have demonstrated incredible acts of leadership by the vast majority of Captains across the entire system that are not worthy of media reporting, but are nevertheless equally relevant in telling the whole story of what has happened.

While it is easy for you to pile on and serve us your condescending rebuke of how poorly we acted as a group. You have no credibility to start this thread since 1.) you weren't in the cockpits of those aircraft as events unfolded, and 2.) you do not fly passengers into and out of JFK airport as a pilot. If you're passing judgement on us because of what you've read in USA Today or MSNBC I'm here to tell you that don't even have thimble full of understanding to the whole story that has occurred.

All you have done here is proven that you are at least as clueless as those you have accussed of being the same at JetBlue. Now if you're feeling smug about stirring this pot go back and look at the mirror and say to yourself out loud "but for the grace of God I hope I never find myself in a situation like that." Because if you think it can't happen to you then you are the true FOOL.

I truly wish no ill on any of us who have to carry out the tremendous responsibilities that are laid at our feet as airline captains for part 121 passenger airlines in this day. When I read about the story of the AA Captain who faced this same situation in Austin the other day, my immdiate reaction was not to burn him at the stake in a public forum, but to try and learn more about the details so I could better understand what happen to him and learn through his experience. Thankfully, by waiting a few extra days and reading more than just the reports from the drive-by media from that event many of the important details of that event event became known and provided much more clarity to what happened.

BBB, you and your ilk would do yourselves a great favor to remember that as well. Constructive criticism involves more than just highlighting the faults, but offering up objective solutions on how the rest of us can learn from your wisdom and experience. After six pages on this thread I haven't read it yet.

Peace out.....