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Hi!

Yep, NBO. It looks like they'll move my base to DBX soon. NBO is sort of the HQ for the operation (now NBO, Karthoum and DBX). NBO is alright, but I think DBX will be a lot better, overall.

I lost my US job in Dec, 2008 (passed on Compass interview in Aug, 2007...did not make sense to me or my CEO at the time!), and this NBO job is the ONLY one I could find, worldwide.

Have been updating my stuff at Compass continually since Dec.

cliff
DC-9
NBO
 
callowayhd said:
got the call back and will be in the next wave of guys going trhough

should be sweet to flow to delta in 3 years!
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I'm guessing you have a lot of experience based on the aircraft you have flown. That's good. Do you have a Bachelor's degree? I have heard rumors that DALPA is going to make that a requirement to flow. They stopped pushing for it when it was realized the flow won't happen for years. When it comes time to flow, the issue will be brought up again. I personally wouldn't feel very good about the flow if I worked for Compass.
 
hockeypilot44 said:
I'm guessing you have a lot of experience based on the aircraft you have flown. That's good. Do you have a Bachelor's degree? I have heard rumors that DALPA is going to make that a requirement to flow. They stopped pushing for it when it was realized the flow won't happen for years. When it comes time to flow, the issue will be brought up again. I personally wouldn't feel very good about the flow if I worked for Compass.
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The contract would have to be changed to require a bachelor's degree. What is Delta going to give up to require a bachelor degree which will affect virtually no one?
 
InTransit said:
Is this really true? My buddies went there and took direct upgrades a couple years back and now I wonder if I'm missing out. One went on to Cathay. They've got United and ATA guys now, and it all seems to come down to getting a paycheck more than anything else. Am I really better as the 8 year regional FO with no upgrade in sight? I don't know anymore, just my honest assessment...
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DAL took a few, and the fact is that the people in hiring had no clue what GoJet did to TSA. They did not care either. That is the facts, they really have no idea what goes on at this level. One of the guys knew that left TSA wen to Go and got a job here at DAL. Those are the facts, and that undercut a lot of his former pilots. DAL was the end game, he got it and now is here. Ugly truth.

It all comes down to the type of person you are. Some things are more important than a job.
 
What???

DrewBlows said:
The contract would have to be changed to require a bachelor's degree. What is Delta going to give up to require a bachelor degree which will affect virtually no one?
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He said DALPA was gonna push for it.... And why do you automatically assume the company would not want it? Really a moot point in the next couple years, but there is time for all those who could be effected to finish that degree, which is rarely a bad thing
 
hockeypilot44 said:
I'm guessing you have a lot of experience based on the aircraft you have flown. That's good. Do you have a Bachelor's degree? I have heard rumors that DALPA is going to make that a requirement to flow. They stopped pushing for it when it was realized the flow won't happen for years. When it comes time to flow, the issue will be brought up again. I personally wouldn't feel very good about the flow if I worked for Compass.
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Mesaba requires it to flow, and I am sure that all other flows if they happen will require it. As for CPS, I am sure that if it is an issue, DALPA and DAL can amend the agreement and flow terms in two short strokes of a pen. DAL wants a degree, as do most pilots here.
 
ACL65PILOT said:
Mesaba requires it to flow, and I am sure that all other flows if they happen will require it. As for CPS, I am sure that if it is an issue, DALPA and DAL can amend the agreement and flow terms in two short strokes of a pen. DAL wants a degree, as do most pilots here.
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Don't mention 2 short strokes. crj567/tanker clown gets all excited thinking about his next $5 favor in the mens' room!
 
Scope out RJ's said:
Don't mention 2 short strokes. crj567/tanker clown gets all excited thinking about my mom doing him again for $5 in the mens' room!
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My daddy can beat up your daddy!

-Seriously, Gen-you need some new material! Maybe you should try a "creative writing" class down at you local vo-tech school. I know it may be a bit above your intelligence level, but maybe after years of schooling you one day will be able to construct an actual insult which an adult may find clever.


-You really need to find something better to do with your spare time, Gen-you just shouldn't try and swim in the "big boy" pool if you are still stuck at this level of severe retardation.
 
crj567 said:
My daddy can beat up your daddy!
Just how do you know which is your daddy? It must be very confusing!
-Seriously, Gen-you need some new material! Maybe you should try a "creative writing" class down at you local vo-tech school. I know in your part of the world where "vo-tech schools" and trailers are a really cool way to live, but no thanks. .I know it may be a bit above your intelligence level, but maybe after years of schooling you one day will be able to construct an actual insult which an adult may find clever. Well, since you're no adult, I don't expect much!


-You really need to find something better to do with your spare time, Hanging out with your mom in her trailer can get pretty boring, maybe I'll start your sister. Gen-you just shouldn't try and swim in the "big boy" pool if you are still stuck at this level of severe retardation. Too bad the "gene pool" passed your family by. You're stuck drowning in it
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Have a wonderful night tanker clown. I'm sure right about now, it's foot massage time for the colonel. Make sure to keep your hands below his knees this time!
 
Full of LUV said:
He said DALPA was gonna push for it.... And why do you automatically assume the company would not want it? Really a moot point in the next couple years, but there is time for all those who could be effected to finish that degree, which is rarely a bad thing
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I misread it, I thought he said Delta would push for a Bachelor's degree, which would mean they would have to negotiate to change the agreement. He said DALPA would push for it which makes zero sense to me. Why does DALPA care who DAL hires? If someone could explain how this helps Delta pilots I would appreciate it.

As has already been pointed out, the point is moot since no one is flowing anyway. As far as I know Compass doesn't have anyone without a degree. If there are one or two guys who don't have a degree I'm guessing no one will make an issue of it. Delta can control who is hired at Compass now so if they want a degree they can make it a requirement.
 
DrewBlows said:
I misread it, I thought he said Delta would push for a Bachelor's degree, which would mean they would have to negotiate to change the agreement. He said DALPA would push for it which makes zero sense to me. Why does DALPA care who DAL hires? If someone could explain how this helps Delta pilots I would appreciate it.

As has already been pointed out, the point is moot since no one is flowing anyway. As far as I know Compass doesn't have anyone without a degree. If there are one or two guys who don't have a degree I'm guessing no one will make an issue of it. Delta can control who is hired at Compass now so if they want a degree they can make it a requirement.
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There are just a few..........around 5
 
DrewBlows said:
I misread it, I thought he said Delta would push for a Bachelor's degree, which would mean they would have to negotiate to change the agreement. He said DALPA would push for it which makes zero sense to me. Why does DALPA care who DAL hires? If someone could explain how this helps Delta pilots I would appreciate it.

As has already been pointed out, the point is moot since no one is flowing anyway. As far as I know Compass doesn't have anyone without a degree. If there are one or two guys who don't have a degree I'm guessing no one will make an issue of it. Delta can control who is hired at Compass now so if they want a degree they can make it a requirement.
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I can try. Everyone that I talk to here feels that with every one having a Bachelor degree from an accredited school stops the "I am smarter than you crap." I know many of the people that decide who gets hired and how doesn't and I would be floored to see this change. It really is part of the culture here.
Could the culture change, yes, but I would not hold my breath. The smart thing to do is go get a degree in anything from an accredited school now while we are not hiring.
Fact is that 99.99% of guys that do not have the degree would never do that, but there one or two that would. For some reason DAL knows this. There have been people that got a BS or BA from a school and after they left the school lost their accreditation. Guess what, they could not interview.
Mesaba's flow requires it. CPS's does not, I am sure every other one will. If CPS is sold, spun off or gets their own MEC, I see this being changed too!
 
ACL65PILOT said:
I can try. Everyone that I talk to here feels that with every one having a Bachelor degree from an accredited school stops the "I am smarter than you crap." I know many of the people that decide who gets hired and how doesn't and I would be floored to see this change. It really is part of the culture here.
Could the culture change, yes, but I would not hold my breath. The smart thing to do is go get a degree in anything from an accredited school now while we are not hiring.
Fact is that 99.99% of guys that do not have the degree would never do that, but there one or two that would. For some reason DAL knows this. There have been people that got a BS or BA from a school and after they left the school lost their accreditation. Guess what, they could not interview.
Mesaba's flow requires it. CPS's does not, I am sure every other one will. If CPS is sold, spun off or gets their own MEC, I see this being changed too!
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Ummmm...you sure about that? Unless it has changed, it didn't. I know a guy who flowed without it. Great pilot but no degree.
 
There was no requirement for a degree in the Mesaba flow agreement.
Has it been changed in the last year? Don't know
 
I may be getting furloughed at the current job here in a few months. I've been looking around and have thought about sending an app to Compass. The only hangup I have, is that on the online app, there is a question asking "If hired at Compass...you will have to resign any seniority at another carrier, is this okay?"

Does anyone with knowledge of their operation have any insight into how "hard" they are about this? Given the volatile nature of the industry, especially now and in the next few years, I would hate to resign seniority at a good company only to end up furloughed from the subsequent job and have no fallback. I have heard of some carriers having the same requirement, but not really following through with it.
 
Hi!

The other consideration, is how does YOUR company look at seniority resignations. I read that, at more than one airline, when they received the letter of resignation, they would throw it in the trash, and recall the guy anyway. Maybe that would be the case for your airline???

cliff
NBO
 
I know for a fact that if you are not willing to resign your number it is a deal breaker. I was called for the Compass interview and admitted to DS (HR Rep) that I was surprised that she called. I had checked the "NO" box when it came to giving up my Legacy number. She did try to sell me with the flow through agreement but I have been around long enough to know where the carrot at the end of the stick has been. She understood my concern and let me know that I should reapply if I ever change my mind. Some friends of mine said that I should have gone for it as my present CP's office would just chuck the letter in the garbage. This is what has happened in the past but as we all know there is a new way of thinking (not good) coming out of most CP's offices. So I checked with our furlough coordinator and he said to be sure and get it in writing because our Head CP has been accepting resignation letters at face value and removing the pilots from the seniority list. Got to reduce that list any way they can. I started out in this F***ed up business 15 years and 8000 hrs ago flying the Red Tail Express out of MSP for food stamp wages. I am not going to go back in time and start all over again (Reserve, Commuting Expenses, QOL etc.) for $22k a year and no Legacy number to return to. I will let someone who can afford it do the I Fall's or Hibbing turn this January. If you want to find me this winter just head down to Lowes. It's heated, Never had a ground stop for snow removal, I definitely won't miss my commute so I have to head back to my freezing cold crash pad and listen to my roomates do there best snoring impression of the "Three Tenors", only to get woke up at 3 am by Terrence in scheduling and told I get to do it all over again as they are short FO's and I am JM'd. (For the grammer police, I know that this post is just one big run on sentence but I am kind of raging against the machine here so give me a break). I am home every night to beat the wife and kiss the kid's and dog. (Something like that) for more money. If I get called back then Great, if not then I know that it is time for a change and will happily hand the torch over to the next contestant on "Airline Career Wheel Of Fortune". (Rant Over)
For the poster wanting to know what it takes to get a call my stats are.
1. 9700+ Total Time
2. 5000+ Turbine PIC
3. 700+ and typed in the E-190
4. No letters of Rec. but worked 10 yrs for the Operating Certificate's previous owner.
Best of Luck, It's tough out there.
 
FWIW, I was never asked to and never did give up my number at the carrier I'm furloughed from when I started at Compass.
 
Lots of people at Compass still have their senority number at their previous carrier.
 
I am sure this is true, however in this job market Compass has decided to add this question to the job application. I understand they need to pare down the resume stack. The big difference this time around is that some CP offices are now accepting your letter of resignation. I guess you have to ask yourself if you are willing to put your trust in the CP office not to take action on a signed letter of resignation that you provided them? If you wanted out of your previous job and don't care about your number then go for it. But it sounds like the poster who may get furloughed has the same concerns I do.
Are you willing to play Russian Roulette with your seniority number in this crappy job market? It is definitely an individual decision based on your present circumstances.
 
LaGarbage Man said:
I am sure this is true, however in this job market Compass has decided to add this question to the job application. I understand they need to pare down the resume stack. The big difference this time around is that some CP offices are now accepting your letter of resignation. I guess you have to ask yourself if you are willing to put your trust in the CP office not to take action on a signed letter of resignation that you provided them? If you wanted out of your previous job and don't care about your number then go for it. But it sounds like the poster who may get furloughed has the same concerns I do.
Are you willing to play Russian Roulette with your seniority number in this crappy job market? It is definitely an individual decision based on your present circumstances.
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Compass doesn't make you resign. The only way your CP would get a letter of resignation is if you sent it.

Compass is a very disorganized company, if at some point someone decided that pilots should resign their seniority number they never took it farther than asking it on the application. Even if someone in the HR department decided they were going to do something about it (they won't) you could simply retract your resignation once sent. That said, I can see why someone would be uncomfortable with this.
 
The last new hire class for the year started yesterday. Don't know when the first class will start for 2010. Good luck...
 
Thanks for the Intel Drew. I hope it can make someone's decision a little easier.
Glad to hear it is working out for the Compass crew, I know quite a few of my old compadres landed over there and wish nothing but the best for them. You know who you are if you get the "Terrence" reference.
Like you said, It come down to a comfort level. For me it has a been a long road and I am not willing to go back to where it all started for me. (Literally and Figuratively)
Right now I am going to concentrate on some more schooling to bring me up to date and then look harder at career change. (There is a booming business in my neck of the woods, It's called the US Gov.) That's right I am going to try and go to work for "The Man". As I said before, If I get called back then great, if not then hopefully I have found someplace to move on to, but I am still going to hold on to my number so that for once in this career I feel like the choice is mine, not some one else's.
 
As much as I try to be an optimist, I don't trust any HR/CP related function at my company. I have heard of the handshake deals to throw away resignations that were forced at other companies, but I just can't afford to take the chance, especially with that flow through possibly turning into a flow back should DL furlough. However, if I stand a good chance of being able to skirt by without being confronted with having to resign, I'll still definitely try to get on. If it ever came down to it, I would just call it quits if that happened.
 
What is the latest regarding classes? Just got called for an interview.

Actually what is the total story regarding the airline? Expansion/growth? More or changing domiciles with the merger?

Thanks.
 

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