Compass agreement

[NuGuy]

Heyas,

Ancedotal evidence says that despite the trim/slice/cut/whatever in the block hours, NWA is going to be "very short" this summer.

This isn't info from a year ago, 3 months ago, 3 weeks ago...this is from yesterday.

No surprise.

Nu

 

[exeagle]

Here is some info. Take it for what it is worth. I went to one of the Phase of Flight meetings with the company suits. Any Delta guys that haven't gone and think it is a waste of time I think you would be surprised. It was actually very informative. During the Q&A at the end the subjects turned to the company, scope and possible furloughs. I brought up the flow back in my questioning about the how it would go. Some suit stepped in(so many I forgot which one it was) and said "look....with the fuel savings, the large amount of cash we have and synergies we would have to go to 20 percent under to even take that direction. BTW he said 9-11 knocked them back 12 %. He also said above and beyond it is a 18-24 months to START to gain on a furlough due to the process. Also he said with all the work that still has to be done to combine the two pilot operations, the last thing they need is to deal with is the hell that comes with furloughing a few hundred guys. Also they are still short(albeit slightly) for summer '09 and summer '10 which is still going to have a 1% rise over '09. He said we will offers some sills for fall and that is it. We are not going to furlough unless we get hit with twice what 9-11 did to us.

Thanks for the intel. Hope this is correct. BTW, anyone know if some significant information was revealed by management at the Memphis LEC meeting? The email said "the information that these individuals will impart will be worth your effort to attend."

 

[Superpilot92]

Thanks for the intel. Hope this is correct. BTW, anyone know if some significant information was revealed by management at the Memphis LEC meeting? The email said "the information that these individuals will impart will be worth your effort to attend."

disclaimer:Second hand info from a buddy at the MEM meeting this morning.

Said the same was said at the meeting. Said "staffing would be just right this summer, leading to a little fat for the fall but with fuel and cost savings right now they have -0- intentions on furloughing a single pilot. Looking at being short next summer. Said a furlough would have to be 18+ months or longer to justify it and that point has already come and gone. Also said with all the transitions in staffing requirements and overall contract changes that would only further complicate staffing needs. so they're ok with the little bit of fat this fall because it will help with recovering for the 2010 flying year. They want to be out of the gates in first place when the rebound starts and are ready to put up a fight with other competitors. That was the jist of what he told me, FWIW

 

[exeagle]

disclaimer:Second hand info from a buddy at the MEM meeting this morning.

Said the same was said at the meeting. Said "staffing would be just right this summer, leading to a little fat for the fall but with fuel and cost savings right now they have -0- intentions on furloughing a single pilot. Looking at being short next summer. Said a furlough would have to be 18+ months or longer to justify it and that point has already come and gone. Also said with all the transitions in staffing requirements and overall contract changes that would only further complicate staffing needs. so they're ok with the little bit of fat this fall because it will help with recovering for the 2010 flying year. They want to be out of the gates in first place when the rebound starts and are ready to put up a fight with other competitors. That was the jist of what he told me, FWIW

Good news...Let's hope no one gets the axe.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Didn't I tell you this a month ago.

 

[~~~^~~~]

Yes, yes, you did. Going Thursday evening to the P'Tree City brief?

 

[Deadend]

All this Compass stuff going on, i assume it would be a straight staple. I am a Delta North guy, and there is NO F**king way a compass pilot will be senior to any Delta (N or S) pilot.

I assume this is how others feel?

 

[d.fitz]

....He also said above and beyond it is a 18-24 months to START to gain on a furlough due to the process. Also he said with all the work that still has to be done to combine the two pilot operations, the last thing they need is to deal with is the hell that comes with furloughing a few hundred guys. ...

That's good info! That's what I thought was the case, but it's nice to hear the "people in the know" say the same thing!

Thanks for the post!

 

[d.fitz]

NO F**king way

NO F**king way... Never ....
(emphasis added)...

 

[exeagle]

All this Compass stuff going on, i assume it would be a straight staple. I am a Delta North guy, and there is NO F**king way a compass pilot will be senior to any Delta (N or S) pilot.

I assume this is how others feel?

I would assume a straight staple as well. Isn't that what the Compass pilots are asking for anyway??

 

[GogglesPisano]

staple?

It's going to be a hard sell. Most of the DeltaS captains and senior F/O's I fly with haven't even heard of the suggestion and when I run it past them they are of the "no ********************ing way" persuasion. They equate all regionals as "seniority-grabbing Com Air types."

They're going to take a lot of convincing.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Straight staple is what the Compass pilots are asking for.


Goggles hit on a good point... I find that sentiment very frequent. The education and knowledge on this subject is very sparse throughout our pilot population.

 

[General Lee]

I would assume a straight staple as well. Isn't that what the Compass pilots are asking for anyway??

The real question is: is that what we are proposing? Nobody can answer that. Those Compass seats are temporary seats for those guys, incase of a furlough. That was the sole reason the NWA pilots allowed Compass to exist. Those guys should be stapled, period. I have heard rumors that say otherwise. I sure would like for someone to confirm them so we can do something about it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

I would assume a straight staple as well. Isn't that what the Compass pilots are asking for anyway??

Thats how they come over when/if they flow so thats how it should be IF it ever happened. Otherwise they will just have to wait and miss out on potential seniority numbers while they wait the 30 months.

 

[mynameisjim]

I think the idea all along has been a Staple.

Opponents of the idea seem to spread that Compass want's a DOH integration, I think to get people against the idea.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, yes, you did. Going Thursday evening to the P'Tree City brief?

I would like to. I might have the kiddo though.
U?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Fact is that due to ALPA merger policy and federal law the word staple cannot be used. That is why it is not. They are leaving it out for a reason.

The only way this will work is if there is a prenup that keeps their seniority in a flow order which in essence is a staple. If it went to arbitration, which it will not, that is the way that it would be argued. If any regional wants to join our list and we can make it happen, it will one happen if we have a prenup on a staple. Noting else will fly. That is from the boys that would make the decision.

 

[Superpilot92]

I think the idea all along has been a Staple.

Opponents of the idea seem to spread that Compass want's a DOH integration, I think to get people against the idea.

Yup, Asking for DOH would be the quickest way to shut down any sort of talks. Bottom line is when they flow up they flow to the bottom hence why a staple is the only way to go. That would essentially get all compass guys on the DAL list now instead of a gradual flow up whenever DAL starts hiring. Better off starting the longevity clock now instead of waiting. First year pay at DAL is better for mostt CPZ guys anyway. 2nd year is better for all.

 

[FDJ2]

Straight staple is what the Compass pilots are asking for.

Is that in writing somewhere? I know it makes sense, I know many Compass pilots feel that way, but is that the official position of the Compass pilots?

 

[Jamis81]

Ok, so I understand all the issues about why Compass was created.. direct taking of mainline jobs etc.. but if Compass was going to be "stapled" what about Comair and Mesaba? Also wholly owned.. and in addition to them, then ASA and Pinnacle who fly solely for DAL/NWA? All of these carriers have a stake in the 76 seat flying which took mainline jobs, and all of these carriers are also ALPA.. would they be included in any possible staple? Or left out of it?