Compass agreement

[GogglesPisano]

staple?

It's going to be a hard sell. Most of the DeltaS captains and senior F/O's I fly with haven't even heard of the suggestion and when I run it past them they are of the "no ********************ing way" persuasion. They equate all regionals as "seniority-grabbing Com Air types."

They're going to take a lot of convincing.

 

[PeanuckleCRJ]

Straight staple is what the Compass pilots are asking for.


Goggles hit on a good point... I find that sentiment very frequent. The education and knowledge on this subject is very sparse throughout our pilot population.

 

[General Lee]

I would assume a straight staple as well. Isn't that what the Compass pilots are asking for anyway??

The real question is: is that what we are proposing? Nobody can answer that. Those Compass seats are temporary seats for those guys, incase of a furlough. That was the sole reason the NWA pilots allowed Compass to exist. Those guys should be stapled, period. I have heard rumors that say otherwise. I sure would like for someone to confirm them so we can do something about it.

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Superpilot92]

I would assume a straight staple as well. Isn't that what the Compass pilots are asking for anyway??

Thats how they come over when/if they flow so thats how it should be IF it ever happened. Otherwise they will just have to wait and miss out on potential seniority numbers while they wait the 30 months.

 

[mynameisjim]

I think the idea all along has been a Staple.

Opponents of the idea seem to spread that Compass want's a DOH integration, I think to get people against the idea.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Yes, yes, you did. Going Thursday evening to the P'Tree City brief?

I would like to. I might have the kiddo though.
U?

 

[ACL65PILOT]

Fact is that due to ALPA merger policy and federal law the word staple cannot be used. That is why it is not. They are leaving it out for a reason.

The only way this will work is if there is a prenup that keeps their seniority in a flow order which in essence is a staple. If it went to arbitration, which it will not, that is the way that it would be argued. If any regional wants to join our list and we can make it happen, it will one happen if we have a prenup on a staple. Noting else will fly. That is from the boys that would make the decision.

 

[Superpilot92]

I think the idea all along has been a Staple.

Opponents of the idea seem to spread that Compass want's a DOH integration, I think to get people against the idea.

Yup, Asking for DOH would be the quickest way to shut down any sort of talks. Bottom line is when they flow up they flow to the bottom hence why a staple is the only way to go. That would essentially get all compass guys on the DAL list now instead of a gradual flow up whenever DAL starts hiring. Better off starting the longevity clock now instead of waiting. First year pay at DAL is better for mostt CPZ guys anyway. 2nd year is better for all.

 

[FDJ2]

Straight staple is what the Compass pilots are asking for.

Is that in writing somewhere? I know it makes sense, I know many Compass pilots feel that way, but is that the official position of the Compass pilots?

 

[Jamis81]

Ok, so I understand all the issues about why Compass was created.. direct taking of mainline jobs etc.. but if Compass was going to be "stapled" what about Comair and Mesaba? Also wholly owned.. and in addition to them, then ASA and Pinnacle who fly solely for DAL/NWA? All of these carriers have a stake in the 76 seat flying which took mainline jobs, and all of these carriers are also ALPA.. would they be included in any possible staple? Or left out of it?

 

[mynameisjim]

Is that in writing somewhere? I know it makes sense, I know many Compass pilots feel that way, but is that the official position of the Compass pilots?

I'm not sure there is anything official. It is a grassroots effort because Compass has no voting union representation.

Basically this is not something the Compass pilots can do. They just brought up the idea and hope some Delta pilots run with it.

 

[ACL65PILOT]

There is not issue with the Ford-Cooksey settlement with CPS. Now OH and the rest are ALPA carriers that fall under the settlement agreements of Ford-Cooksey. I am not saying that it cannot be done, you just will need to deal with those hurdles first.
Also you need to note the special differences between CPS and the other DCI carriers.
-Bilateral Flow
-DAL pilots own every seat at CPS, not so with Mesaba.
-For now we share the same MEC.

 

[General Lee]

Is that in writing somewhere? I know it makes sense, I know many Compass pilots feel that way, but is that the official position of the Compass pilots?

Why? Do they want to negotiate something? If so, I say "who cares?" No negotiations. Those E175 seats are not theirs, but rather they are holding them for possible furloughs in the future. They knew that when they interviewed. Offering them something other than a staple would be ridiculous. I talked to a commuting CPZ pilot and he said we should "do this" so we could get some future E190s. I told him we already had a rate for that, and that we didn't need to staple them to get them. If Delta ever wants something larger than 76 seats, then they would have to go through us. It would be nice to staple those guys to give our bottom guys more people beneath them, but it is not necessary since we already have the flow down. But, if one CPZ guy is put ahead of one current mainline pilot, I think a lot of guys will be outraged. You need to remind the MEC that please. I have tried.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[NuGuy]

Ok, so I understand all the issues about why Compass was created.. direct taking of mainline jobs etc.. but if Compass was going to be "stapled" what about Comair and Mesaba? Also wholly owned.. and in addition to them, then ASA and Pinnacle who fly solely for DAL/NWA? All of these carriers have a stake in the 76 seat flying which took mainline jobs, and all of these carriers are also ALPA.. would they be included in any possible staple? Or left out of it?

Heyas,

When Comair, ASA, Pinnacle and who ever decide that they are going to put ALL of their seats up for grabs for flow downs, no questions asked, then they get a seat at the table.

Until then, they have no where near the stake invested that the CPZ guys have.

To get the great reward, you need to man up at the poker table. If not, then STFU, and put in an app like everyone else.

Nu

 

[jonjuan]

Heyas,

When Comair, ASA, Pinnacle and who ever decide that they are going to put ALL of their seats up for grabs for flow downs, no questions asked, then they get a seat at the table.

Until then, they have no where near the stake invested that the CPZ guys have.

To get the great reward, you need to man up at the poker table. If not, then STFU, and put in an app like everyone else.

Nu

Just how much of a risk was this really for the cps pilots, many of whom are recent newhires and previously furloughed from expressjet, eagle, comair, etc? C'mon-it's not as though compass were a career destination. In fact, many went there to go after the quick upgrade to a regional/mainline aircraft.