Come to recurrent armed?

[CRJ puppy]

Swing and a miss.

Not so much in Georgia. Google up on the Georgia 'Right to Kill' law.

http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/2397441.html

et al.

If you have a reasonable threat to your life or your property, you may use deadly force.

For the naysayers who whined loudly when this bill was passed...no noticeable increase in violence has been recorded.

Considering the differences between what I had to do to get a concealed carry permit in Georgia, and what my friends in Texas have to do, you could make a sound argument that Georgia is more pro gun than Texas.

Just sayin'.

As has no noticeable DECREASE in violence or crime been recorded.

 

[timmay]

Swing and a miss.

Not so much in Georgia. Google up on the Georgia 'Right to Kill' law.

http://www.wrdw.com/home/headlines/2397441.html

et al.

If you have a reasonable threat to your life or your property, you may use deadly force.

For the naysayers who whined loudly when this bill was passed...no noticeable increase in violence has been recorded.

Considering the differences between what I had to do to get a concealed carry permit in Georgia, and what my friends in Texas have to do, you could make a sound argument that Georgia is more pro gun than Texas.

Just sayin'.

Might want to read that bill a little closer before you go "poppin a cap" when somebody is trying to steal your stereo.
Seeking Out Danger

Under the "Shoot First" law, as long as the shooter "is not engaged in unlawful activity" and is "attacked in any other place where he or she has a right to be" the shooter has the right to use deadly force. Therefore, if a fistfight escalates to lethal violence, the shooter could receive immunity under the law even if he initiated the confrontation, as long as he "reasonably believed" that firing the gun was necessary to prevent a "forcible felony" or "great bodily harm" to himself.

 

[FishandFly]

As has no noticeable DECREASE in violence or crime been recorded.

At least it helps out the good guy at the cost of a bad guy.

 

[kf4amu]

Sounds like you live in Texas where gun laws are rather lax, however most states require that your life be in danger prior to using deadly force. Going after a car thief with a firearm is just stupid.

There's a fine line between "going after a car thief with a firearm" and attempting to stop someone from stealing your stuff.

It's perfectly legal to stop someone from stealing your belongings. If that thief escalates it to a point you feel your life in in danger, the firearm comes out for defense.

2 separate scenarios, but they are closely tied. Without a firearm for defense, I would be less likely to confront a thief.

 

[kf4amu]

As has no noticeable DECREASE in violence or crime been recorded.

So what? Allowing citizens their right to bear arms should not be predicated on a decrease in violence.

 

[CRJ puppy]

So what? Allowing citizens their right to bear arms should not be predicated on a decrease in violence.

Ok, for the record...I own three guns. But I have NEVER felt the need to "carry" to somehow protect myself from some ambiguous threat.

The aluminum foil that lines all my hats takes care of that quite nicely thank you.

:uzi:

 

[IBNAV8R]

What two things do ALL these highly publicized mass shootings have in common?

1. They take place in supposed "gun free zones."

2. They stop when the shooter either turns the gun on himself or, *GASP* someone shoots him. Unfortunately, this means either waiting for police or waiting for someone to go out of the "gun free zone" to retrieve a weapon.

 

[Raskal]

What two things do ALL these highly publicized mass shootings have in common?

1. They take place in supposed "gun free zones."

2. They stop when the shooter either turns the gun on himself or, *GASP* someone shoots him. Unfortunately, this means either waiting for police or waiting for someone to go out of the "gun free zone" to retrieve a weapon.

If you're going to go on a shooting spree then doing it in a "gun free" zone would certainly make the most sense, wouldn't it? I'm with you on this.

 

[chignutsak]

With regard to the professional vs. amateur discussion: I've got a nice C note myself that says I'm more than adequate in my abilities with a handgun to defend myself, even though I'm not currently a professional law enforcement officer.

I never implied that LEO is the only route to learning how to effectively employ a firearm in a tactical and self-defensive manner. How about the military? But in my highly unscientific personal experience, the vast majority of civilians I know who carry have not received any training beyond what is required by their local jurisdictions. They all bought their weapons (ignoring the hunters) for self-defense purposes, but never really received anything more than rudimentary training in that regard. Some of them can shoot the hell out of a paper target. That's great, and it is a fun hobby. But what that does to help you in the Flight Safety parking lot, I have no idea.

 

[chignutsak]

chig
1. Are you saying crime only happens in bad neighborhoods, and that not going to these particular atm's ensures that you are safe?

Give me a break, you are much safer going to an ATM in Woodstock, as opposed to one near Flight Safety.

Have you ever fired a weapon? Do you realize that police officers firearms training is as little as a week? Do you realize that your being an airline pilot and an American almost guarantees that you too could be an effective gun carrying citizen of the USA? I would be willing to bet that after a few good times at the range you would fair quite well defending yourself. This ain't no cat 2
Have you ever fired a weapon? Do you realize that police officers firearms training is as little as a week? Do you realize that your being an airline pilot and an American almost guarantees that you too could be an effective gun carrying citizen of the USA? I would be willing to bet that after a few good times at the range you would fair quite well defending yourself. This ain't no cat 2.

I am in the military, so yes, I have fired a weapon. I know many LEO's; next time I see one I will ask about the length of their training. I know one who told me that her academy was eight months long. I find it hard to believe that they would spend just one week on firearms and their employment. Even if it were true, that is one week more of VERY intense training than the average Joe bothers to seek out.

To your assertion that it is a trivial and piddly skill to learn, as compared to we mighty airline pilots, well, that is just arrogant. My original analogy spoke of a C-152, YOU are the one who amped it up to cat 2. At any rate, all true professions require intense initial and ongoing recurrent training, to go along with the trainee's serious demeanor and devotion to the task. Otherwise they are not professional vocations; they are hobbies.

 

[kf4amu]

Ok, for the record...I own three guns. But I have NEVER felt the need to "carry" to somehow protect myself from some ambiguous threat.

The aluminum foil that lines all my hats takes care of that quite nicely thank you.

:uzi:

It's just like being prepared in the cockpit for all outcomes. Use the tools available, some you hope you never use. Implying there is something wrong with being prepared is complacent and dangerous

 

[xdashdriver]

Paranoia paranoia paranoia, the boogey man's gonna get ya.... lol thanks for the laugh. Grow a pair and go to sim like everyone else, with out your small dick compensator. What a Sally.

Perhaps you would like to say that to the 65 year old woman that got robbed in my town the other week (NOT a high-crime inner city area at all) while walking by a convention center...or perhaps the two other women who have been walking out of the grocery store and been robbed in clear daylight in a nice area of town just a couple of months ago. And these are just 3 examples of many more I could share but hopefully my point has been made.

Violent crime is very real and it affects thousands of real people every single day at any hour of the day and it affects them all for life. It happens to people like you and me, right in the cities and towns and neighborhoods we all live in. If it hasn't happened to you yet, then consider yourself lucky. If you want to stick your head in the sand and pretend like it doesn't happen, then go ahead. It may never happen to you and I wish that for you, but being prepared is a wise choice.

I deal with people every single day that thought "it won't happen to me" for a variety of reasons. A significant portion of my time with them is then spent suggesting ways of being better prepared in case it were to happen again.

 

[xjgearbtch]

Patrol boy chill, there's a fine line between being prepared and paranoia. You can live your life in fear I don't care. You guys with protection anxiety issues crack me up.

 

[xdashdriver]

And people that have the "it won't happen to me" mentality ensure my job security, so I guess I shouldn't complain. Once you're done laughing at us though, rest assured when you become a victim, we won't laugh at you.

Crime prevention and personal protection are very serious and real issues for thousands every day, so no, I won't chill or else I wouldn't be doing my job, just like you no doubt are very serious about flight safety when it comes time to do yours.

 

[IBNAV8R]

Which article would you rather read (or have read by your next of kin).

HUSBAND AND WIFE FOUND DEAD; ROBBERS GET AWAY WITH 1994 FORD ESCORT AND $20. POLICE HAVE NO SUSPECTS.

CARJACKING ATTEMPT FAILS; SUSPECT ARRESTED AT LOCAL HOSPITAL HAD LONG CRIMINAL RECORD.

I agree, the right to carry a weapon also means a responsibility to get proper training and stay proficient.

 

[xjgearbtch]

The old you're not safe because you don't agree with me. Great logical reasoning.

Avenge Ruby Ridge!!! Ha ha ha

 

[IBNAV8R]

The old you're not safe because you don't agree with me. Great logical reasoning.

Avenge Ruby Ridge!!! Ha ha ha

What does this discussion have to do with Ruby Ridge?

It's a matter of choice. Do you prepare for an engine fire? You know the memory and/or immediate action items? How likely is this scenario? Not very. Does that make you paranoid? Why bother when you could easily land at the nearest airport with a fire station - just minutes away. Like me, you probably have made the conscious choice, or perhaps your company has made the choice for you, not to leave the outcome purely to chance and luck.

Again, it's a matter of choice. Some have chosen to prepare themselves to effect the outcome of an hopefully unlikely event. Others have chosen to leave the outcome to chance and the benevolence of a criminal perpetrator. I find no fault in that. After all, help is just minutes away.

 

[FishandFly]

Give me a break, you are much safer going to an ATM in Woodstock, as opposed to one near Flight Safety.



I am in the military, so yes, I have fired a weapon. I know many LEO's; next time I see one I will ask about the length of their training. I know one who told me that her academy was eight months long. I find it hard to believe that they would spend just one week on firearms and their employment. Even if it were true, that is one week more of VERY intense training than the average Joe bothers to seek out.

To your assertion that it is a trivial and piddly skill to learn, as compared to we mighty airline pilots, well, that is just arrogant. My original analogy spoke of a C-152, YOU are the one who amped it up to cat 2. At any rate, all true professions require intense initial and ongoing recurrent training, to go along with the trainee's serious demeanor and devotion to the task. Otherwise they are not professional vocations; they are hobbies.

I don't think I am being arrogant. I've got a couple buddies who are cops. I can't remember the exact time at the range but it was minimal and to minimal standards. The 8 months was made up of the difficult parts of the job like legalities and procedures. Shooting straight seems like it would be the relaxing time.

I'm quite surprised you are in the military. I say this because you don't seem to exude confidence about your ability to defend yourself. (not trying to be a prick here). How much time did you spend on the range and what was/is your mos?

As for the complexity of flying a cat 2 versus defending yourself with a weapon, this seems very straightforward to me. Compare one to the other and the cat 2 is far more complex. I acknowledge/imagine that someone defending their family or their person with a gun could be very dynamic, but unless you know magic I think the situation sucks a lot less if you are armed and have even the slightest fighting chance to effect the outcome.

The great thing about this country is that those who want greater control of their family's safety have the right to do so. I've got no real problem with those who choose to either hope nothing will ever happen or rely on help from others if something does happen, but that is simply not the way I approach things.

 

[ohplease!]

I've got a couple buddies who are cops. I can't remember the exact time at the range but it was minimal and to minimal standards. The 8 months was made up of the difficult parts of the job like legalities and procedures.

time at the academy in Ga. is 10wks...not 8 months.
time at the range is about 1wk and is NOT nearly as intense as you'd like to think it would be. (I have many cop buddies and spend a great deal of time at their range with their training officers).


The "average joe" that decides to carry full time, spends hours more time on a range and seeks out training in combat/situational shooting than even above average officers (various reasons).

Of course there is a small percentage that do not train, prepare or take the right seriously (just like the pilots you see the day before and day of looking at flash cards and brushing the dust off of their manuals and putting in 20 updates before a checkride....rather than putting down the USA Today and reading through those manuals periodically).

You'd be supprised at the number of "professional" officers that have great difficulty with re-qual because they do not take the time to train...even though nearly all agencies provide ranges, weapons, ammo and range officers....ala pilots who don't prepare for checkrides (or for the real event for that matter).

This debate is as bad as abortion, politics or religion....nobody on either side is going to "convince" the other they are right and you are wrong.

I know I don't have to tell the vast majority of CCW holders this but, if you feel it prudent to carry ANYWHERE, prepare it (and yourself mentally), conceal it so people with "gun fright" can continue to feel safe that there are no guns around to jump out and shoot everyone in the room (because we all know that guns just jump up off the floor and start going off by themselves) and STFU about it.

If the worst imaginable situation does catch you in the middle, take care of you and yours and once thats taken care of, take care of those who either choose not prepare or don't believe there is ever a need for "avg joe" to prepare. It is your civic duty to step in on behalf of those who are not able to defend themselves (of course this is my opinion).


end discussion.....

 

[clay700]

Having just left recurrent you are all up to speed on the high guard and blading?!?!??Right? Whats the problem ladies?