Comair vs. ACA

[DarnNearaJet]

AFELLOWPILOTHATER:

I seem to remember the new head of DCI in an interview about a year ago explaining that he likes the idea of several DCI carriers -- the more the better -- to basically whipsaw the carriers and and create more cost-effectiveness. So much for your "contract carriers are just filling the gap before Delta gives us all the DCI flying," idea.

ACA reqcently received a congratulatory letter from a senior DL executive on the miraculous turn-around for ACA's operational performance. For several days in October we were the number 1 DCI carrier.

Everything you say about the contract carriers, Delta pilots say about you.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

DARNNEARAPILOT,


UH, OK. GLAD YOU SET US ALL STRAIGHT. I AM SURE YOU ARE IN MORE OF A POSITION TO KNOW THESE THINGS THAN I AM.

 

[j41driver]

AIRBOARD,
.... our contract is way above aca's

Then why in the hell are you always complaining about us "folding" in only 10 months? You got "way more" than ACA, right?

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Driver,

The reason is we were trying to raise the bar and make mgt. pay what the jet was worth. ACA so quickly settleing for what they did made it virtually impossible to do this.

If you do not understand the basic princicple of pattern bargaining then you will never understand my point.

 

[acaTerry]

You are a bitter man indeed. How long were you in negotiations? Somebody, besides ACA was also in negotiations, and settled before we did. So why $hit on us?
Additionally, we did not have a big daddy mainline who owned us to put it all together after settlement if a strike materialized. We got better than you had at the time and you got more than we did BECAUSE YOU HAD US TO MEASURE AGAINST. If you have such big balls then why didn't YOU hold YOUR strike longer? Why do you expect ACA pilots to do YOUR negotiating?
You REALLY, REALLY need a beer and a valium. We all do the same thing---we fly planes. So why do you try so hard to divide us all? I am really tired of this high-schoolish name calling. So we are contract pilots. BIG FRAPPIN DEAL!! Newsflash---you were too until not so long ago. Another newsflash--DAL does not like you guys any better than you like ACA pilots. Third newsflash--No matter what you call ACA or Skywest, you are NOT a DAL pilot. And being bitter at us for things like doing our job is not going to make you get to DAL or anywhere else any faster.
The kid earlier asked for an honest response to his question. You could have done this without heading into your personal tirade against ACA because we did not put CMR first in OUR negotiations. As I asked earlier, if you were so convicted, why did you not hold out longer YOURSELVES? The shoe is on the other foot now, isn't it?
Sorry Mr. Negative Outlook, you can't blame someone else for your own problems. You have every right to dissapprove the whole idea of contract carriers. I would too. But two things that you need to show some maturity on are 1)realizing that DAL mainline pilots are saying the SAME things about you and your jets, which I'm sure you have issue with and 2) that whether you like contract carrying or not, calling us "sellouts" and calling SKW pilots things too neither betters your situation nor reflects well on your professionalism or on the points you are trying to make here.
YOUR contract, YOUR problem, YOUR fault. Not ACA's, not Skywest's. Show some maturity.

 

[spinproof]

afellowavaitor

You can't make chicken salad from chiken **it ! The world is full of "Armchair" Patriots. Those not willing to fight for a better life and better working conditions deserve neither!

How anyone can justify accepting the "Status quo" as progress all the while telling you that you didn't do enough should speak for itself!

Thanks for holding out as long as you and your fellow Comair pilots did. We who follow salute you. Those who don't have "Battle Stars" should shut up! They have nothing relavent to say!

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Terry,

You say I am a bitter man? Read your post. My goodness. Your little rant was a bunch of empty words with no substance. You would hardly be in a position to comment on the length of our strike now would you?

I see now why you settled after JUST 10 SHORT MONTHS. You have no grasp on what we were attempting to do,period. As in clueless.

At least we were willing to take it to the battle field, even after you guys folded after 10 SHORT MONTHS. But talking to yoy guys about any of this is pointless because you have no idea what we were trying to do. No idea what so ever.

Enjoy your little "piece of the pie" mgt. allowed you to have and take pride in knowing you helped RJ operators (mgt.) secure low wages and work rules that it will take decades for us pilots who are willing to fight to overcome.

Like I said, absolutely clueless.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

SPINPROOF,

Thank you.

 

[rightrudder]

How long have you been at Comair, AFELLOWAVIATOR?

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

8 years next month.

 

[rightrudder]

8 years next month.

So let me get this straight, you were hired at Comair when the only way to get a job there was to pay for training. This undercut all decent, hardworking pilots paying their dues trying to get positions. It also undercut wages - why should management pay people a decent wage when people are willing to sell themselves and fellow pilots short by paying for training.

You are hypocritical to put down ACA for not holding out for a better contract when you yourself helped undermine the profession when you elected to pay a company for training.

I'm not trying to start a pft war here, just pointing out that you are the last person with a right to criticize anyone of hurting the profession

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I was not required to pay for my training at Comair. Next.....

 

[rightrudder]

that's B.S., either that or you don't really work for Comair. Which is the truth?

Pathetic!

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

OHHH ALL KNOWING ALL SEEING RIGHTRUDDER..................


THE ONE WHO KNOWS ALL ASPECTS OF MY LIFE....TELL ME, WILL I BE A MILLIONAIR ONE DAY??????????????


You seem rather smug when it comes to knowing my life. What else am I wrong about?

I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR MY TRAINING AT COMAIR...PERIOD...


NEXT QUESTION.....................

 

[Jeepman]

originally posted by @fellowj@cka$$ (a.k.a. afellowaviator)

I have made a lot of enemies here, I really did not intend to, but I guess they did not like what I have had to say. I'm actually a pretty likable guy. I have had many, many FO's tell me I was one of there favorite Captains to fly with.



HA! What crack are you smoking now. Here are the facts my fellow unaviator

1. You are anything but friendly. Even your fellow Comair pilots are on this board stating their disgust with you.

2. After Comair went on strike Delta realized how iomportant having contract carriers were and that is why you have 4 carriers going into the same airport & crisscrosing each other. DELTA WILL NEVER GO TO JUST WHOLLY OWNED AIRLINES

3. YOU ARE THE MOST IMMATURE PILOT I HAVE EVER HEARD. Why bash your fellow pilots. I have heard rumors of ASA flying out of SLC and you know what?......I DON'T CARE!! Is it their decision to come here, no. Is it ASA's decision, NO. IT IS DELTA.

4. Comair & ASA are not God's gift to mankind. Im think all of Delta's contract carriers are quality. THINK ABOUT IT IDIOT!! If (in your wet dream) Delta just wanted to go with ASA & Comair then they would stop growing everyone else & give you guys all the flying. Is this happening?

I don't know who you are but you are making some fast enemies here. Been at Comair 8 years eh? My guess is you tried to goi elsewhere but didn't for whatever reason. GET OVER IT. This board is for people seeking info about regionals and all you do is bash everyone else. WHY DON'T YOU TELL PEOPLE ABOUT HOW TO PREPARE FOR AN INTERVIEW AT COMAIR.......oh wait, that would be to positive

GROW UP!!!!!

 

[rightrudder]

I DID NOT HAVE TO PAY FOR MY TRAINING AT COMAIR...PERIOD...

If you were hired in Nov. 94, as you claim, you paid for your training. Everyone who was hired at Comair at that time paid for their training. Period.

Explain to us how you were exempt? Perhaps because you are special? I think not.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

JEEPMAN, JEEPMAN,

Where did that come from? If attacked, I will attack back. My original post on this thread was polite, informative, and in good taste, as other pilots have pointed out. You guys are responsible for the current tone hear, not me.

I tell you what, I really ruffled some feathers here, didn't I. Oh well.

Deal with it. I hope your obvious inability to keep a cool, level headed prospective does not translate to the way you operate an airplane.
Do you get this bent out of shape on the flight deck? If so, I would recommend taking yourself off line for a while and seeking help. Safety of flight should be your number one concern.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

RIGHTFLUDDER,

I do not have to explain anything to you. I already stated that I did not have to pay for training at Comair, period.

next question please.......

 

[goodpilotithink]

WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't imagine treating some one like this. I have flown with AFELLOWAVIATOR a number of times, and I will tell you he is in the top 3 captains to fly with. The fo's love him and the fa's do too.

I had a hunch I knew who he was, and sure enough, I ask him and I was right.

He saved my ass when I was a new hire. I had some problems in my sim training and he went way, way beyond the call of duty to get me thru the program, In the cockpit and in the sim he is fun, and professional, and an extremely good pilot.

You guys have no idea how foolish you look treating him like this.And by the way, he may not of paid for training. I know a lot of instructors who spent 2 years as an instructor, then went to the line. He was probably one of those.

AFELLOWAVIATOR, sorry about all this, we at Comair love ya man!

 

[rightrudder]

I do not have to explain anything to you. I already stated that I did not have to pay for training at Comair, period.

I figured it out, you did not have to pay, daddy did.


Goodpilotithink wrote:

"WOW!!!!!!!!!!!

I can't imagine treating some one like this. I have flown with AFELLOWAVIATOR a number of times, and I will tell you he is in the top 3 captains to fly with. The fo's love him and the fa's do too.

I had a hunch I knew who he was, and sure enough, I ask him and I was right.

He saved my ass when I was a new hire. I had some problems in my sim training and he went way, way beyond the call of duty to get me thru the program, In the cockpit and in the sim he is fun, and professional, and an extremely good pilot.

You guys have no idea how foolish you look treating him like this.And by the way, he may not of paid for training. I know a lot of instructors who spent 2 years as an instructor, then went to the line. He was probably one of those.

AFELLOWAVIATOR, sorry about all this, we at Comair love ya man!"



.....doesn't this sound suspicously like AFELLOWAVIATOR?

Grammar and sentence style is exactly the same.

What a joke!

 

[goodpilotithink]

Captain Afellowaviator,

Don't let them get you down man, they showed there stripes. I'll be your wing man anytime!

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Bullship, you can be mine.

Now they think you is me! Unbeleivable. That is there m.o.. Some one gets on here as says something they don't agree with and they attack. What a bunch if kids.On a liter side,


You have any of that LGA stuff next month? I have a couple three day trips with a alot of it. You know, it is kinda nice having aca doing our short flights out of CVG. You see where the result is our trips got a lot more productive? I guess they are good for something after all.

 

[Jeepman]

AFELLOWAVIATOR


First of all I am not an angry person, in fact often times I avoid confrontation. I apoligize for my durrogatory remarks.

It just blows me away how you slam other "fellow" pilots & their airlines. Alot of your colleagues have stated what a great guy you are. If that is true then why do you keep the bashing others & instead tell others how to get hired at Comair. AT LEAST SOMETHING POSITIVE!!! That's all I'm saying.

Peace.

JP

 

[RJPilott]

.....doesn't this sound suspicously like AFELLOWAVIATOR?

Grammar and sentence style is exactly the same.

What a joke!

Dont forget the same exact words misspelled repeatedly.... lol perhaps AVIATOR taught the kid english on the side? too funny

 

[goodpilotithink]

Hey! Thank you for the compliment.

 

[Rotorhead]

Profile For goodpilotithink

Date Registered: 10-21-2002




Whatever........Pretty sad when you have to be your own best friend.

Lets see, I found flightinfo.com..........
I saw a post about my airline............
There is one of my pilots getting bashed........
I think I know him.............
I do, I do!!!!!!!!!!
I better register on the site.............
I'll run to his rescue and post what a great guy he really is........

 

[sligo1]

Hey Jeepman,
Isn't that cute " I'll be your wingman anytime", you two sound like a couple of queens at a Tupperware Party. The fact is your buddy "Fellow Aviator" has created his own problems in this forum. He may be the greatest person in your company, but his approach to his fellow pilots here really depicts a person that just wants to excite others. Hey "Fellow Aviator", why don't you write back when you've made it to the"big leagues", but for now your just one of us flying a "Replacement Jet", at just another regional airline.

 

[SJCAPT]

I think all of you have beaten this issue to death!!! Lets see what Duane Woerth's "Next Generation of Scope" brings to all of us. It sounds like the BOD meeting indicated that the Mainline and the W/O's will push for scope restricting flying within the Brand. We'll see how this changes the "portfolio" concept. In the meantime we are all pawns in the game! By the way did anyone see the NWA resolution that was just passed regarding Mesaba and Pinnacle? Check it out.

Respectfully,

SJCAPT

 

[ACE]

captainv,

It looks like your question has become out of control. Both ACA and Comair are good companies. I was put in your situation 3 years ago when I was hired by ACA, Comair, and Eagle. I chose Comair. All 3 companies had dropped pay for training, so that was not an issue. Comair was actually the last one to hire me. I did not jump on my first opportunity. You have to look at the long term when you make your decision. Upgrade takes a lot longer at Comair, you would be looking at 3 to 4 years. I believe it is only about 1 to 2 years at ACA. Comair's contract is a lot better. ACA pilots don't want to see this , but it is the truth. Reserve is running about 6months at Comair. I don't know how it is at ACA. You can go straight to the jet at either company. It is true that we want to do away with contract carriers. This may or may not happen. We will see with are next contract. It will take the strength of all 3 Delta, Comair, and ASA to accomplish this. When you make your decison, look at all sides of each company ie. upgrade, reserve, dominciles, equipment, contract, and the future of the company, which is not easy to determine. Good luck.

 

[Rotorhead]

captainv,

It Comair's contract is a lot better. ACA pilots don't want to see this , but it is the truth.

Then why is ACA number 2 on the list of ALPA dues generation (for regional jet operators) behind Eagle, a much larger pilot group?