Comair vs. ACA

[Av8tor]

"Amen" RJPilott great post! AFELLOWAVIATOR Shut up already, Im sick of your crap blaming us for your lame contract!

 

[Flash 7]

I have read both contracts and I know both Comair and ACA pilots.

From what I've read and heard Comair and ACA pay are about the same. The only difference in that area would be that Comair flys the 70 seaters with a lot more on the way and those pay rates of course are higher than anything ACA flys.

Other minor diferences in the contracts are that Comair has a Commuting clause, ACA doesn't.

But, ACA has a lot more bases to choose from than Comair.

Comair has duty rig & Trip Rig.

Comair pays for a hotel in between CDO pairings.

Comair has a company funded pension & 401K matching.

I didn't see anything in the ACA contract that matched this.


As far as the schedules go. I just looked at a Bid package for both Companys and In my opinion Comair seemed to have slightly better Schedules with More lines with more time off (CRJ BID lines for both, CVG & ORD). I think as Commuter Comair would be a little easier.

I'm not in any way trying to bash ACA, I think they are a Great Company. However, Besides pay I think Comair has a better Package to offer.

Of Course flying for Eagle I can tell you that both contracts look much better than ours!

 

[Av8tor]

I have read both contracts and I know both Comair and ACA pilots.

From what I've read and heard Comair and ACA pay are about the same. The only difference in that area would be that Comair flys the 70 seaters with a lot more on the way and those pay rates of course are higher than anything ACA flys.

Other minor diferences in the contracts are that Comair has a Commuting clause, ACA doesn't.

But, ACA has a lot more bases to choose from than Comair.

Comair has duty rig & Trip Rig.

Comair pays for a hotel in between CDO pairings.

Comair has a company funded pension & 401K matching.

I didn't see anything in the ACA contract that matched this.


As far as the schedules go. I just looked at a Bid package for both Companys and In my opinion Comair seemed to have slightly better Schedules with More lines with more time off (CRJ BID lines for both, CVG & ORD). I think as Commuter Comair would be a little easier.

I'm not in any way trying to bash ACA, I think they are a Great Company. However, Besides pay I think Comair has a better Package to offer.

Of Course flying for Eagle I can tell you that both contracts look much better than ours!

#1. ACA does have a commuter policy.
#2. We do have a company match on our 401K
#3. Comair doesn't have an ORD base, ACA does.

Please Get you facts straight before you post.

 

[RJPilott]

Other minor diferences in the contracts are that Comair has a Commuting clause, ACA doesn't.

Yes we do have a commuting policy. It is a carry over from our last contract. We also have 2 airlines that provide free travel passes to ACA. (UAL,DL)

But, ACA has a lot more bases to choose from than Comair.

Comair has duty rig & Trip Rig.

Comair pays for a hotel in between CDO pairings.

Comair has a company funded pension & 401K matching.

I didn't see anything in the ACA contract that matched this..

ACA has all of the above, however our rigs leave something to be desired. We get 1 for 2 on CDO pairings and paid hotel. Any time we spend 5 or more hours at an airport, we get a hotel, paid. 4 hour min block per day based on a "look back" for the month. Also something to consider, ACA does NOT pay for hotel during training and only 200/wk during training. Im not too sure about company funded pension (dont think we have it), but we do have 401k. Hope this helps......


whoops, looks like i posted the same time as Av8tor. oh well

 

[Beechnut]

Hey Flash, I think you need to take another look at those contracts. In addition to being incorrect about ACA commuter clause there is another point that needs to be corrected. While Comair may (?) have a look back rig or a look back minimum day, they do NOT have trip and duty rigs.


S.

 

[Flash 7]

My mistake on the commuter Clause. That was carried over and ACA does have 401K matching but no pension (thats what I meant to say).

Someone from Comair can correct me, but it states that Comair has duty rig & trip rig. 1 for 2 and 1 for 3.75.


I think BOTH companys are Excellent in the regional market and you couldn't go wrong with either.


Personally given the choice, I would go to Comair.

 

[Beechnut]

Flash, what are you reading?

S.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

I do not believe I was talking to any of you kids, the man wanted a prospective, and I gave it to him.

Another thing to consider is your stature in the industry. The likes of ACA, SKYWEST, CHITAGUA(however you spell that) are all independent, and when they use them to raid some ones base, they are not thought of very well. It is not there fault, they do not control any of it, but they are resented just the same.

Again, this is my prospective for the pilot who ask, if you children don't like what I have to say, I'm sorry. That's life.

 

[RJPilott]

...and when they use them to raid some ones base, they are not thought of very well. It is not there fault, they do not control any of it, but they are resented just the same.

Raid someones base? Are you referring to ACA coming to CVG? Hello... moron.... Comair is taking all the LGA flying. There is no "raid" as you put it. Its called a movement of flying. Hell, if it were up to me (and the majority of LGA pilots, FA's), you can have your 7 leg CVG-DAY (TOL,BNA, CRW etc etc) days and we'll go back to LGA. I hope this NYer runs into you in CVG. Im sure we'll have a good time. Well, i know i will at least

 

[Anaconda]

While Comair may (?) have a look back rig or a look back minimum day, they do NOT have trip and duty rigs.

we don't???

C. For each bid period, a pilot will be credited and paid, at the applicable rate of pay set
forth in paragraph A.1., above, the greater of the following:
1. Flight time, including any additional pay credits set forth in paragraph D., below
and displacement pay as set forth in paragraph E., below. Flight time will be
calculated by flight segment, using scheduled or actual block-to-block time,
whichever is greater.
2. One (1) minute of credit for each two (2) minutes of duty time calculated on a bid
period basis. Except as provided in paragraph E.2., below, this provision will not
apply to time spent in training.
3. One (1) minute of credit for each three and three-quarters (3¾) minutes of trip
time calculated on a bid period basis. Except as provided in paragraph E.2.,
below, this provision will not apply to time spent in training.
4. An average of four hours and twenty minutes (4:20) for each duty day calculated
on a bid period basis. Except as provided in paragraph E.2., below, this
provision will not apply to time spent in training.