Comair vs. ACA

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

And by the way, some one named beechnut said we do not have trip and duty rigs. Comair contract section 3-4 par.c
1 for 2 day/ 4.20 min day/ 1 for 3.75 trip on a look back.

We have CD lines for those who wish to bid them. They average 185 hours of duty and pay 92 hours on average, with only about 30 to 40 hours of actual flying. If you are a commuter, you get a hotel (Holiday Inn) on the days you have to fly.

Our retirement is as follows.
401k/they match 50% of the first 5% you contribute

Also, we have a plan were the company makes annual contributions to each pilots retirement account. An amount that eguals:

0-4 YEARS 2% OF YOUR EARNINGS
5-9 YEARS 4%
10-14 6%
15-19 8%
20 + 10%

You are 100% vested after 5 years of service.

 

[Beechnut]

I stand corrected. Thanks for the information.

S.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

RJPILOTT,
You just don't get it, do you????????HELLLLOOOOOOOOO, IS THERE ANY ONE IN THERE?????


The LGA flying should be done by Pilots who fly for Comair, ASA, or Delta. And when we get enough jets, it will be. And any other route on the Delta system. I work in the training dept. at Comair, and we simply cannot train enogh pilots and Delta cannot get enough jets fast enough right now, so we are using ACA and Skywest to fill the void in the mean time.

 

[RJPilott]

RJPILOTT,
You just don't get it, do you????????HELLLLOOOOOOOOO, IS THERE ANY ONE IN THERE?????

yeah, i get it. I get the fact that if you really had "inside" info which you say that you have, you wouldnt be spouting off on an anonymous message board. Its a good theory you have. It would almost make sense and be credible if you had some crediblity and got your facts straight on a consistent basis. Im not saying what you say couldnt happen. Lots of things "could" happen including the demise of Delta itself. So far what you are saying is genuine crew room banter, also known as BS. Keep it up. I see it gains you alot of respect even in an anonymous environment. Perhaps you should get out on the line and see the "real" stories floating around instead of building FOM manuals. You would have a field day with all the rumors. I think it may even explode your brain... lol

do you really think Tom Moore and Kerry Skeen would put so much time and effort into something that will eventually become dust? Actions speak louder than words my friend. Our top brass along with Skywest top brass' actions speak WAY louder than some "guy in Comair training dept with 8 years at the company" spouting off on flightinfo.com.

if you cant get jets and train pilots fast enough, why are we able to hire at a faster pace and get jets at a rapid rate in order to fly for a company that is 99% bankrupt? Is it because we are so much cheaper than Comair? Is it because we are "sell-outs" on our last contract? Someone here doesnt get it. But i dont think its me..... But hey, if you wanna have your fun, you gotta do it somewhere. Be my guest bro.... I hope the people that tell you these stories are making you feel secure...

BTW, how did you live with yourself flying Delta routes before Delta bought Comair? Dude, you're funny...lol

 

[AirBoard]

The Final Word.....

Well now isn't this fun. Anyway....

Captainv, getting back to your orginal question 'Comair vs. ACA'. The choice is quite clear; choose ACA.

However, I will provide no empirical evidence to back up my decision except this. By selecting ACA you'll never have to associate with AFELLOWAVIATOR on line, or in the training dept. ever. And that my friend is a very good thing. THANK YOU!

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

What I am saying is fact. Go on with your childess blaa blaa blaa all you want. ACA's days are limited. What a bunch of idiots.\


I will not respond to a bunch of morons any more. aca is a contract carrier. Not much future there. DELTA can opt out any time with a 90 day notice. Why do you think they have that clause in the contract?????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

 

[starchkr]

I say FLY CARGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Man i think those pax are gettin' to some of you people... Let it go, grandma didn't really mean you fly like crap, she was just upset that your F/A wouldn't give her another round!

 

[sleepy]

Go to Comair, they will be around forever. ACA has a good contract, but they are a contract carrier for DAL and UA. What will happen if UA goes under? I don't know, but do you want to take the chance. DAL is in the best shape of any major. ASA and Comair are owned by DAL. We are the only part of the company that is making money. We are probably not going anywhere.

 

[SkywayFO]

My take is take the one that calls first. I have been at ACA Since the middle of September and it is much better than where I was before and has a brite future. As far as fellow aviator goes what a D*ck. Get over it man! Nobody sold you out. I payed you striking FO more than I was making at the time as a DoJet FO at Skyway. You guys then wanted to give US Air Express Guys a leg up on hiring, and would not even look at you fellow ALPA brother that was shelling out your strike bennies. How F*ck up is that. So who sold who out who in that one. And another thing this thing about indepentent airlines, was ComAIR not one prior to becomming Deltas little toy. And you better believe that when the price is right they will spin you off just like Coex, and Pinnical and like Eagle is looking like. They will just use you as cash to make the books look better. And you better not come crying to me when it contract time again. Cause you don't deserve it. I have a lot of friend that are out of a job or making dirt at Skyway. and they all helped you out. I don't see you pushing for better money for them. And the rest of you all, trust me when I say fellowaviator is not the norm and Comair I have a few friends there and they are all stand up guys. I sat back long enough and listen to this crap, I just had to get that off my chest. Good luck either on is a great place to be. And fly safe everyone!

 

[RJPilott]

What I am saying is fact. Go on with your childess blaa blaa blaa all you want. ACA's days are limited. What a bunch of idiots.\

lol.. someone getting a bit frustrated? What you are saying is a proposal posted on an ALPA message board that sparked the interest of the MEC. VERY FAR from fact. I guess you have to get your crew room BS somewhere if you're not flying the line.

 

[SkywayFO]

I wish I could get that stupid aviator to change so I don't look like the guy

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

SKYWAYFO,

How dare you. Pulling this " i gave to your strike fund bs"...
\


We were the ones on strike you idiot. So you gave a little money, so what! We were the ones with our jobs on the line . We were the ones putting our careers on the line to raise the bar, while those at ACA were capitulating.

It really makes my stomach turn when I here as### holes like you trying to throw this in our faces, when we were sacrificeing more than you you ever dreamed about .. What an idiot.

 

[SkywayFO]

THis change is better

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

RJPILOTT,

I fly the line all the time. I work in the training dept. about 50% of the time, and fly the line the rest.

 

[RJPilott]

SKYWAYFO,

How dare you. Pulling this " i gave to your strike fund bs"...
\


We were the ones on strike you idiot. So you gave a little money, so what! We were the ones with our jobs on the line . We were the ones putting our careers on the line to raise the bar

And what did you get? ACA+1%?? wow.. what great strides! You guys really raised that bar BIG time!! lol...Not that im putting down anyone else at Comair. But i really hope the real "fellow aviators" at Comair put you in your place.

 

[acaTerry]

D@mn, guys

Keep in mind too that ACA was the first to negotiate, or should I say settle, that time period. It's easy to beat what someone else did (even if it was by 1%) once someone has already set the standard. Perhaps if CMR had settled first, ACA could have gotten a better contract.
Whatever the heck, they are both fine airlines and both have good pilot groups. I'm just holding my breath that the ACA version of AFELLOWAVIATOR does not find his way to this board....
I'm sure that most of the CMR pilots do not feel the rage this youngster has. Reminds me of JimboRealGoodPilot. Anyone else remember him? At least he was kidding.

 

[Pilot877]

Ok, the way it was explained to me, our ACA Delta Connection FRJ program fills Delta's need for a smaller than CRJ-sized jet aircraft. That makes sense, its not like airlines have only one type of aircraft.
Wheres the professional unity here? Not to sound like a tree hugger, but airline pilots have got to stick together, I think a lot of folks are sick of this pissing contest of "my airline is better than yours" put on by a couple of rotten apples, even if it does make for entertaining reading on the message board.
AFELLOWAVIATOR, I think your attitude really sucks, you should go find another hobby. Theres a whole world out there just waiting to be discovered.....

 

[rptrain]

Pilot877 wrote:

our ACA Delta Connection FRJ program fills Delta's need for a smaller than CRJ-sized jet aircraft.

Oh my God, the secret is out! Stop the presses! The Dornier is a 32-seat airplane! And wait, what will Chautauqua (for the love of Mike, it's not that hard to spell) be flying down in MCO? 37-seat airplanes, you say? Why doesn't Comair fly these routes? [drum roll] They have 44, 50, and 70 seat CRJs. If we all try really hard, we can think back to when Comair had some weird-looking airplanes with props where the jet engines should have been. However, these strange-looking machines did not fit with management's desire to be an "all-jet" airline.

The most remarkable thing about AFELLOWAVIATOR (and there are quite a few remarkable things) is that he is bitter about other carriers "stealing" his company's jobs when Comair is growing like the proverbial weed. The markets that the other carriers are moving into are those that Comair management has voluntarily vacated. Make no mistake: ACA and Chautauqua are not growing at the expense of Comair, but rather at their bequest.

From the most recent ALPA Express Newsletter:

The answer lies in the pattern of successful higher contract
demands established by Atlantic Coast, Comair and Air Wisconsin.

and

President Woerth voiced his opinion that pilot groups needed a new strategy – one that didn’t depend on circling the wagons around certain flying and trying to keep other pilots out. Instead, with new business patterns that include “portfolios” of airlines, “branded” airline networks, and families of code-sharing partners, ALPA had to refine its thinking. He called for improving and protecting contract standards and flying for the whole “brand” and not just parts of it. This “system” view of scope and contract standards is consistent with the work of the Bilateral Scope Impact Committee (BSIC)....

Atlantic Coast and Comair mentioned in the same breath? In the ALPA newsletter? What's going on here? AFELLOWAVIATOR would have us believe that ACA pilots are nothing but a bunch of sellouts who would run over their mother to cross a picket line.

We interrupt this post to bring you an update on the reality of airline operations. ACA operates 30 Dornier 328s in the Delta Connection network right now as we sit. That, boys and girls, is a lot of lift. AFELLOWAVIATOR knows for a "fact," due to his high level contacts within the simulator, that this will not last. Someday, Delta is going to look under the couch cushions in the SkyMiles lounge and find 30 airplanes that they can put into service immediately. Then those bastards at ACA will get what they deserve for caving in to management! Hopefully all you bright kids can figure out why this won't work.

Now I'm just a poor ol' line pilot, but I like think back to all the wisdom I heard during training from various instructors. Don't know about the rest of y'all, but I always take whatever I hear from the training department with a healthy dose of salt.

Many pilots have worked for years to protect us from whipsawing at the hands of management. AFELLOWAVIATOR beats his chest in this forum as the greatest, most self-sacrificing union brother ever, and then he turns around and beats down another pilot group with absolutely no justification. He doesn't speak for ALPA (as evidenced above), and based on my experience with some fantastic guys at Comair, he doesn't speak for them either.

 

[AFELLOWAVIATOR]

Pilot877,

I can appreciate what you said. Makes sense to me.

Contract carriers like ACA are used to divide and conquer pilot groups .
In our case, Delta. So they are resented. Fair? No, just fact.

Even worse are non union contract carriers, i.e. skywest. Again, is the resentment fair? No, but it is there just the same.

. Either they have there blinders on or are just in denial. They are not members of the Delta family of pilots, and we all look forward to the day they are gone, so the Delta code flying will be done by pilots within the company.

A proposal is being presented to the three MEC'S that if adopted, would require an acceleration of the process.

 

[popilot78]

hey afellowaviator, you really make me laugh. thanks for the amusement. you sound like a fool. i sure most agree w/ me. i have friends that work for comair, great people, and the good thing is that most don't feel the way you do. i feel sorry for you.