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AFELLOWAVIATOR
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SKYWAYFO,
How dare you. Pulling this " i gave to your strike fund bs"...
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We were the ones on strike you idiot. So you gave a little money, so what! We were the ones with our jobs on the line . We were the ones putting our careers on the line to raise the bar, while those at ACA were capitulating.
It really makes my stomach turn when I here as### holes like you trying to throw this in our faces, when we were sacrificeing more than you you ever dreamed about .. What an idiot.
How dare you. Pulling this " i gave to your strike fund bs"...
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We were the ones on strike you idiot. So you gave a little money, so what! We were the ones with our jobs on the line . We were the ones putting our careers on the line to raise the bar, while those at ACA were capitulating.
It really makes my stomach turn when I here as### holes like you trying to throw this in our faces, when we were sacrificeing more than you you ever dreamed about .. What an idiot.
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acaTerry
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D@mn, guys
Keep in mind too that ACA was the first to negotiate, or should I say settle, that time period. It's easy to beat what someone else did (even if it was by 1%) once someone has already set the standard. Perhaps if CMR had settled first, ACA could have gotten a better contract.
Whatever the heck, they are both fine airlines and both have good pilot groups. I'm just holding my breath that the ACA version of AFELLOWAVIATOR does not find his way to this board....
I'm sure that most of the CMR pilots do not feel the rage this youngster has. Reminds me of JimboRealGoodPilot. Anyone else remember him? At least he was kidding.
Keep in mind too that ACA was the first to negotiate, or should I say settle, that time period. It's easy to beat what someone else did (even if it was by 1%) once someone has already set the standard. Perhaps if CMR had settled first, ACA could have gotten a better contract.
Whatever the heck, they are both fine airlines and both have good pilot groups. I'm just holding my breath that the ACA version of AFELLOWAVIATOR does not find his way to this board....
I'm sure that most of the CMR pilots do not feel the rage this youngster has. Reminds me of JimboRealGoodPilot. Anyone else remember him? At least he was kidding.
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Ok, the way it was explained to me, our ACA Delta Connection FRJ program fills Delta's need for a smaller than CRJ-sized jet aircraft. That makes sense, its not like airlines have only one type of aircraft.
Wheres the professional unity here? Not to sound like a tree hugger, but airline pilots have got to stick together, I think a lot of folks are sick of this pissing contest of "my airline is better than yours" put on by a couple of rotten apples, even if it does make for entertaining reading on the message board.
AFELLOWAVIATOR, I think your attitude really sucks, you should go find another hobby. Theres a whole world out there just waiting to be discovered.....
Wheres the professional unity here? Not to sound like a tree hugger, but airline pilots have got to stick together, I think a lot of folks are sick of this pissing contest of "my airline is better than yours" put on by a couple of rotten apples, even if it does make for entertaining reading on the message board.
AFELLOWAVIATOR, I think your attitude really sucks, you should go find another hobby. Theres a whole world out there just waiting to be discovered.....
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Pilot877 wrote:
Oh my God, the secret is out! Stop the presses! The Dornier is a 32-seat airplane! And wait, what will Chautauqua (for the love of Mike, it's not that hard to spell) be flying down in MCO? 37-seat airplanes, you say? Why doesn't Comair fly these routes? [drum roll] They have 44, 50, and 70 seat CRJs. If we all try really hard, we can think back to when Comair had some weird-looking airplanes with props where the jet engines should have been. However, these strange-looking machines did not fit with management's desire to be an "all-jet" airline.
The most remarkable thing about AFELLOWAVIATOR (and there are quite a few remarkable things) is that he is bitter about other carriers "stealing" his company's jobs when Comair is growing like the proverbial weed. The markets that the other carriers are moving into are those that Comair management has voluntarily vacated. Make no mistake: ACA and Chautauqua are not growing at the expense of Comair, but rather at their bequest.
From the most recent ALPA Express Newsletter:
Atlantic Coast and Comair mentioned in the same breath? In the ALPA newsletter? What's going on here? AFELLOWAVIATOR would have us believe that ACA pilots are nothing but a bunch of sellouts who would run over their mother to cross a picket line.
We interrupt this post to bring you an update on the reality of airline operations. ACA operates 30 Dornier 328s in the Delta Connection network right now as we sit. That, boys and girls, is a lot of lift. AFELLOWAVIATOR knows for a "fact," due to his high level contacts within the simulator, that this will not last. Someday, Delta is going to look under the couch cushions in the SkyMiles lounge and find 30 airplanes that they can put into service immediately. Then those bastards at ACA will get what they deserve for caving in to management! Hopefully all you bright kids can figure out why this won't work.
Now I'm just a poor ol' line pilot, but I like think back to all the wisdom I heard during training from various instructors. Don't know about the rest of y'all, but I always take whatever I hear from the training department with a healthy dose of salt.
Many pilots have worked for years to protect us from whipsawing at the hands of management. AFELLOWAVIATOR beats his chest in this forum as the greatest, most self-sacrificing union brother ever, and then he turns around and beats down another pilot group with absolutely no justification. He doesn't speak for ALPA (as evidenced above), and based on my experience with some fantastic guys at Comair, he doesn't speak for them either.
Oh my God, the secret is out! Stop the presses! The Dornier is a 32-seat airplane! And wait, what will Chautauqua (for the love of Mike, it's not that hard to spell) be flying down in MCO? 37-seat airplanes, you say? Why doesn't Comair fly these routes? [drum roll] They have 44, 50, and 70 seat CRJs. If we all try really hard, we can think back to when Comair had some weird-looking airplanes with props where the jet engines should have been. However, these strange-looking machines did not fit with management's desire to be an "all-jet" airline.
The most remarkable thing about AFELLOWAVIATOR (and there are quite a few remarkable things) is that he is bitter about other carriers "stealing" his company's jobs when Comair is growing like the proverbial weed. The markets that the other carriers are moving into are those that Comair management has voluntarily vacated. Make no mistake: ACA and Chautauqua are not growing at the expense of Comair, but rather at their bequest.
From the most recent ALPA Express Newsletter:
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Atlantic Coast and Comair mentioned in the same breath? In the ALPA newsletter? What's going on here? AFELLOWAVIATOR would have us believe that ACA pilots are nothing but a bunch of sellouts who would run over their mother to cross a picket line.
We interrupt this post to bring you an update on the reality of airline operations. ACA operates 30 Dornier 328s in the Delta Connection network right now as we sit. That, boys and girls, is a lot of lift. AFELLOWAVIATOR knows for a "fact," due to his high level contacts within the simulator, that this will not last. Someday, Delta is going to look under the couch cushions in the SkyMiles lounge and find 30 airplanes that they can put into service immediately. Then those bastards at ACA will get what they deserve for caving in to management! Hopefully all you bright kids can figure out why this won't work.
Now I'm just a poor ol' line pilot, but I like think back to all the wisdom I heard during training from various instructors. Don't know about the rest of y'all, but I always take whatever I hear from the training department with a healthy dose of salt.
Many pilots have worked for years to protect us from whipsawing at the hands of management. AFELLOWAVIATOR beats his chest in this forum as the greatest, most self-sacrificing union brother ever, and then he turns around and beats down another pilot group with absolutely no justification. He doesn't speak for ALPA (as evidenced above), and based on my experience with some fantastic guys at Comair, he doesn't speak for them either.
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Pilot877,
I can appreciate what you said. Makes sense to me.
Contract carriers like ACA are used to divide and conquer pilot groups .
In our case, Delta. So they are resented. Fair? No, just fact.
Even worse are non union contract carriers, i.e. skywest. Again, is the resentment fair? No, but it is there just the same.
. Either they have there blinders on or are just in denial. They are not members of the Delta family of pilots, and we all look forward to the day they are gone, so the Delta code flying will be done by pilots within the company.
A proposal is being presented to the three MEC'S that if adopted, would require an acceleration of the process.
I can appreciate what you said. Makes sense to me.
Contract carriers like ACA are used to divide and conquer pilot groups .
In our case, Delta. So they are resented. Fair? No, just fact.
Even worse are non union contract carriers, i.e. skywest. Again, is the resentment fair? No, but it is there just the same.
. Either they have there blinders on or are just in denial. They are not members of the Delta family of pilots, and we all look forward to the day they are gone, so the Delta code flying will be done by pilots within the company.
A proposal is being presented to the three MEC'S that if adopted, would require an acceleration of the process.
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Contract carriers like ACA are used to divide and conquer pilot groups .
Okay let me ask you this. You obviously have been drinking the Delta Kool Aid for quite some time cause us 'contract carriers' are just bottom feeders.
Delta sees some opportunity to grow but realizes they are going to need 100 aircraft plus pilots in order to facilitate this. You probably already know since you're in the training dept Comair can't wake up the next day and put this plan into action. If they said they could they'd be fools and would fall flat on their face (on time, completion etc.). Sooooo Delta looks around at other establised airlines who may be able to help Delta expand their markets - enter the contract carrier. According to you, our days are numbered until Comair and ASA can fill all the routes with their own aircraft and pilots, what a gravy train that will be. Until then the contract carrier will hold the route for you. In return for making you're future even brighter you can no nothing better than sh*t on us. Think about it.
It doesn't really matter anyway, anytime a Comair CRJ pulls up I always have a chat with the crew and find them to be terrific people. Usually they like a tour of the Door knob. I know your an exception to them and don't reflect the pilot group.
Contract carriers like ACA are used to divide and conquer pilot groups .
Okay let me ask you this. You obviously have been drinking the Delta Kool Aid for quite some time cause us 'contract carriers' are just bottom feeders.
Delta sees some opportunity to grow but realizes they are going to need 100 aircraft plus pilots in order to facilitate this. You probably already know since you're in the training dept Comair can't wake up the next day and put this plan into action. If they said they could they'd be fools and would fall flat on their face (on time, completion etc.). Sooooo Delta looks around at other establised airlines who may be able to help Delta expand their markets - enter the contract carrier. According to you, our days are numbered until Comair and ASA can fill all the routes with their own aircraft and pilots, what a gravy train that will be. Until then the contract carrier will hold the route for you. In return for making you're future even brighter you can no nothing better than sh*t on us. Think about it.
It doesn't really matter anyway, anytime a Comair CRJ pulls up I always have a chat with the crew and find them to be terrific people. Usually they like a tour of the Door knob. I know your an exception to them and don't reflect the pilot group.
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This thread started out as a person trying to decide between COMAIR and aca. I offered my opinion, and for some reason, it offended some people. I am only repeating what I hear at Comair day in and day out.
Alot of Delta and Comair and ASA pilots put a proposal together for the Union. The proposals purpose, among other things, is to accelerate the process of getting rid of contract carriers. It is not just me.
I have stated what I feel, and some here have turned it into a personal battle. I have been treated very rudely, but not one of you has had one thing to offer that would prove my statements wrong.
WE DO NOT WANT CONTRACT CARRIERS FLYING DELTA SYSTEM ROUTES. Is that sooooo hard to understand? I am an ass for not only thinking this, but stateing it too?? Give me a break.
Alot of Delta and Comair and ASA pilots put a proposal together for the Union. The proposals purpose, among other things, is to accelerate the process of getting rid of contract carriers. It is not just me.
I have stated what I feel, and some here have turned it into a personal battle. I have been treated very rudely, but not one of you has had one thing to offer that would prove my statements wrong.
WE DO NOT WANT CONTRACT CARRIERS FLYING DELTA SYSTEM ROUTES. Is that sooooo hard to understand? I am an ass for not only thinking this, but stateing it too?? Give me a break.
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Afellowaviator
Comair has now joined a list with these great companies. Why are you bashing a carrier for doing what your company did for 18 years.
1. Piedmont
2. PSA
3. Allegheny
4. American Eagle
What makes you think Delta what do to you what USAir and American have done with their red headed step children. The bottom line is dollars and cents. I am so glad I don't fly for Comair because the thought of being on a 5 day trip with you makes me want to puke.
ACA all the way
Comair has now joined a list with these great companies. Why are you bashing a carrier for doing what your company did for 18 years.
1. Piedmont
2. PSA
3. Allegheny
4. American Eagle
What makes you think Delta what do to you what USAir and American have done with their red headed step children. The bottom line is dollars and cents. I am so glad I don't fly for Comair because the thought of being on a 5 day trip with you makes me want to puke.
ACA all the way
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anaconda,
I was very skeptical myself, but at least something is in the works. My problem with it was the Delta furloughees coming onboard ahead of current pilots on our list. Sounded too much like j4j to me, but if eventually all new hires at Delta were from our ranks, it may work..
I have made a lot of enemies here, I really did not intend to, but I guess they did not like what I have had to say. I'm actually a pretty likable guy. I have had many, many FO's tell me I was one of there favorite Captains to fly with.
I was very skeptical myself, but at least something is in the works. My problem with it was the Delta furloughees coming onboard ahead of current pilots on our list. Sounded too much like j4j to me, but if eventually all new hires at Delta were from our ranks, it may work..
I have made a lot of enemies here, I really did not intend to, but I guess they did not like what I have had to say. I'm actually a pretty likable guy. I have had many, many FO's tell me I was one of there favorite Captains to fly with.
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cock n bull
We make too much money for them to screw up our company....
I know the truth hurts, but everything I have said is factual. No, it is not personel, just business.
Again , WE DO NOT WANT ANY CONTRACT CARRIERS DOING ANY DELTA SYSTEM FLYING. WE DO NOT WANT YOU........WE WANT OUR AIRLINE TO GROW, WE WANT OUR PILOTS TO UPGRADE, WE WANT OUR PEOPLE TO PROSPER....GEEEEEEEEEZ Take it personal if you want, I don't care, you would feel the same way..When you kids grow up, you will learn life aint fair.. deal with it.
Is this sooooo hard to understand????What do you want us to say," HEY LEO, COULD YOU PLEASE BRING IN ANOTHER CONTRACT CARRIER SO OUR CAREERS WILL STAGNATE SOME MORE, SO OUR FO'S WILL NEED EVEN MORE YEARS TO UPGRADE, SO WE WILL WILL HAVE FEWER BASES??
We make too much money for them to screw up our company....
I know the truth hurts, but everything I have said is factual. No, it is not personel, just business.
Again , WE DO NOT WANT ANY CONTRACT CARRIERS DOING ANY DELTA SYSTEM FLYING. WE DO NOT WANT YOU........WE WANT OUR AIRLINE TO GROW, WE WANT OUR PILOTS TO UPGRADE, WE WANT OUR PEOPLE TO PROSPER....GEEEEEEEEEZ Take it personal if you want, I don't care, you would feel the same way..When you kids grow up, you will learn life aint fair.. deal with it.
Is this sooooo hard to understand????What do you want us to say," HEY LEO, COULD YOU PLEASE BRING IN ANOTHER CONTRACT CARRIER SO OUR CAREERS WILL STAGNATE SOME MORE, SO OUR FO'S WILL NEED EVEN MORE YEARS TO UPGRADE, SO WE WILL WILL HAVE FEWER BASES??
AFELLOWAVIATOR
You've callled contract carrier pilots morons, idiots, and bottom feeders and you wonder why people are pis*ed at you??!?! Then you go on to say how you're just repeating what you've heard from other Comair pilots..ie crew room bs.
You feel pretty stongly about other airlines flying your routes which is understandable but how is that something an ACA pilot can control. Would you like us to walk out and demand the flying be returned to a Delta owned carrier. As far as I'm concerned as long as your company is not shrinking then the net effect is still a positive one. If you guys had to furlough while ACA walked away with your routes then you've got a legitimate issue. Of course, upgrades may take longer through all of this but at least no one is on the street.
If you're 'really not a bad guy' then perhaps you should stop calling your fellow pilots idiot and morons for doing what they love to do.
You've callled contract carrier pilots morons, idiots, and bottom feeders and you wonder why people are pis*ed at you??!?! Then you go on to say how you're just repeating what you've heard from other Comair pilots..ie crew room bs.
You feel pretty stongly about other airlines flying your routes which is understandable but how is that something an ACA pilot can control. Would you like us to walk out and demand the flying be returned to a Delta owned carrier. As far as I'm concerned as long as your company is not shrinking then the net effect is still a positive one. If you guys had to furlough while ACA walked away with your routes then you've got a legitimate issue. Of course, upgrades may take longer through all of this but at least no one is on the street.
If you're 'really not a bad guy' then perhaps you should stop calling your fellow pilots idiot and morons for doing what they love to do.
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Thats it? Thats all you could come up with??? Your statement has nothing to do with the subject. In case you did not hear , Delta bought ASA and Comair.
Is the fact that we do not want contract carriers doing Delta system flying surprise you? Any of you? Is this a huge shock????????????
My god! This thread was about a person wanting input about going to COMAIR or aca. I gave my opinion. You know, contracts end, and as soon as we have enough jets and pilots, yours will end. I simply pointed out that aca is a contract carrier, and COMAIR is not.
Thats it? Thats all you could come up with??? Your statement has nothing to do with the subject. In case you did not hear , Delta bought ASA and Comair.
Is the fact that we do not want contract carriers doing Delta system flying surprise you? Any of you? Is this a huge shock????????????
My god! This thread was about a person wanting input about going to COMAIR or aca. I gave my opinion. You know, contracts end, and as soon as we have enough jets and pilots, yours will end. I simply pointed out that aca is a contract carrier, and COMAIR is not.
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AIRBOARD,
Actually, first, AV8TOR told me to "shut up" then RJPILOTT called me a "moron". And I never used the term "bottom feeder". I did use the term "moron" and "idiot", but this was in respnse to the idiotic post they made.
My opinions are based on fact, and I was attacked for posting them on this board. Go read my first post on this thread, I was responding to a person who was trying to decide between aca and Comair.
These kids get a little defensive. Maybe they never thought that we DO NOT WANT CONTRACT CARRIERS DOING DELTA SYSTEM FLYING, AND ALL FUTURE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS AT COMAIR, ASA, AND DELTA WILL PARTLY FOCUS ON ELIMINATING ALL CONTRACT FLYING.
The company plans to do this at some time, and they will use contract carriers as a bargainibg chip, but you will be gone at some time, sooner better than later.
Do I dislike contract pilots? Hell no. It is just business.
And by the way, aca+1% is what they offered, not what we accepted.
We actually got more. Then you factor in the company funded retirement, and our contract is way above aca's
Actually, first, AV8TOR told me to "shut up" then RJPILOTT called me a "moron". And I never used the term "bottom feeder". I did use the term "moron" and "idiot", but this was in respnse to the idiotic post they made.
My opinions are based on fact, and I was attacked for posting them on this board. Go read my first post on this thread, I was responding to a person who was trying to decide between aca and Comair.
These kids get a little defensive. Maybe they never thought that we DO NOT WANT CONTRACT CARRIERS DOING DELTA SYSTEM FLYING, AND ALL FUTURE CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS AT COMAIR, ASA, AND DELTA WILL PARTLY FOCUS ON ELIMINATING ALL CONTRACT FLYING.
The company plans to do this at some time, and they will use contract carriers as a bargainibg chip, but you will be gone at some time, sooner better than later.
Do I dislike contract pilots? Hell no. It is just business.
And by the way, aca+1% is what they offered, not what we accepted.
We actually got more. Then you factor in the company funded retirement, and our contract is way above aca's
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AFELLOWAVIATOR is JimboRealGoodPilot in disguise!!
My freinds at CMR tell me it was settled at 2-3%.......and at that for 70 seat pay. ACA only runs the 50 seaters. What a gap. BTW, we have 11 REAL days off minimum, golden days. My freinds at CMR also tell me that some of CMR's 11 off minimum that you can be called out. Sounds like reserve to me. In any case, they still seem happy, so CMR must not be a bad place to be.
ANNNNNNDDDDD......I really, really think AFELLOWAVIATOR is JimboRealGoodPilot back in disguise. Y'all remember him----the guy who used to krap with a "k".....
I have come to this conclusion because nobody could be this ignorant and bitter. Maybe you should change your name to ISOLATEDBITTERAVIATOR.
BTW, I'll bet anything that the "many, many" FO's who told you they liked flying with you were on probation and said whilst you were filling out their report card....
And, let's grow up and stop this babytalk about whose airline is better than whose. Go to the major airline board. Notice something missing? YES!! Immaturity is conspicuously silent!! Daggone, let's act like big kids.
Oh, BTW, Anaconda...didn't I tell you about 2 months ago to get that army stuff off your profile? Jarheads rule! LOL
My freinds at CMR tell me it was settled at 2-3%.......and at that for 70 seat pay. ACA only runs the 50 seaters. What a gap. BTW, we have 11 REAL days off minimum, golden days. My freinds at CMR also tell me that some of CMR's 11 off minimum that you can be called out. Sounds like reserve to me. In any case, they still seem happy, so CMR must not be a bad place to be.
ANNNNNNDDDDD......I really, really think AFELLOWAVIATOR is JimboRealGoodPilot back in disguise. Y'all remember him----the guy who used to krap with a "k".....
I have come to this conclusion because nobody could be this ignorant and bitter. Maybe you should change your name to ISOLATEDBITTERAVIATOR.
BTW, I'll bet anything that the "many, many" FO's who told you they liked flying with you were on probation and said whilst you were filling out their report card....
And, let's grow up and stop this babytalk about whose airline is better than whose. Go to the major airline board. Notice something missing? YES!! Immaturity is conspicuously silent!! Daggone, let's act like big kids.
Oh, BTW, Anaconda...didn't I tell you about 2 months ago to get that army stuff off your profile? Jarheads rule! LOL
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To all those interested:
I'm not that bright and I'll probably prove this fact more than once during this post.
An understandable concept. But really not what ALPA is envisioning in the future for "regionals" as RPTrain quoted from the ALPA newsletter. But, how do you, CMR and ASA, negotiate around the bargaining chip (we contract carriers) DAL will use against you when Ma Delta manipulates your business model at will to make it less indebted? Being wholly owned has both advantages and disadvantages that are dependent on many things, but the economy comes to mind as having the most influence.
Basically, SkyWest, ACA, Chautauqua are in the DAL system for at least three reasons: 1) Cost; 2) Cross integration to prevent the financial devastation CMR brought to DAL when they struck and basically closed CVG; and 3) Need.
So, as mainlines figure out strategies to become profitable and play "regionals" against each other to benefit their bottom line, how do we "regional" pilots strategize in solidarity to improve our careers (e.g. QOL, pay, benefits, retirement) and secure (as much as can be in this industry) our futures?
Tailwinds...
I'm not that bright and I'll probably prove this fact more than once during this post.
An understandable concept. But really not what ALPA is envisioning in the future for "regionals" as RPTrain quoted from the ALPA newsletter. But, how do you, CMR and ASA, negotiate around the bargaining chip (we contract carriers) DAL will use against you when Ma Delta manipulates your business model at will to make it less indebted? Being wholly owned has both advantages and disadvantages that are dependent on many things, but the economy comes to mind as having the most influence.
Basically, SkyWest, ACA, Chautauqua are in the DAL system for at least three reasons: 1) Cost; 2) Cross integration to prevent the financial devastation CMR brought to DAL when they struck and basically closed CVG; and 3) Need.
So, as mainlines figure out strategies to become profitable and play "regionals" against each other to benefit their bottom line, how do we "regional" pilots strategize in solidarity to improve our careers (e.g. QOL, pay, benefits, retirement) and secure (as much as can be in this industry) our futures?
Tailwinds...
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AFELLOWAVIATOR Hall of Shame
Let's look back on what this stalwart individual has contributed over the past couple of months.
posted 9/17/02:
posted on 9/25/02:
Delta bought Comair in January of 2000. AFELLOWAVIATOR, here's a direct question for you: were you hired by Comair before 01/00? If the answer is yes, you had better shut up before you make any more of a fool of yourself. Even if you were hired after 01/00, they way you want to pull up the ladder behind you is despicable. Delta buys your company, so now you have an inalienable, God-given right to all of the system flying? Wake up and smell the new, new economy. ACA is not a bunch of whores you have jumped into bed with Delta. ACA is a top-notch airline with fantasic pilots, a leading contract (disputing that it's anything below #3 is pure folly), and a niche airplane that meets Delta's needs. You've proven yourself to be nothing but an elitist snob.
And as for "My opinions are based on fact," you've been proven quite wrong in the past. Remember the thread about operational performace figures for the Delta Connection carriers? The only "facts" I've ever seen you post are heresay and innuendo.
Let's look back on what this stalwart individual has contributed over the past couple of months.
posted 9/17/02:
We all have seen lately how much he cares for pilots outside of the Delta "family." I wonder just how much Delta mainline folks share his warm and fuzzy "we are family" mantra.
posted on 9/25/02:
compare that with what he writes in his last post:
It seems you can't win with AFELLOWAVIATOR. Either you're a bum for associating with ALPA, the "pathetic union," or you're a bum for being non-union like Skywest.
Delta bought Comair in January of 2000. AFELLOWAVIATOR, here's a direct question for you: were you hired by Comair before 01/00? If the answer is yes, you had better shut up before you make any more of a fool of yourself. Even if you were hired after 01/00, they way you want to pull up the ladder behind you is despicable. Delta buys your company, so now you have an inalienable, God-given right to all of the system flying? Wake up and smell the new, new economy. ACA is not a bunch of whores you have jumped into bed with Delta. ACA is a top-notch airline with fantasic pilots, a leading contract (disputing that it's anything below #3 is pure folly), and a niche airplane that meets Delta's needs. You've proven yourself to be nothing but an elitist snob.
And as for "My opinions are based on fact," you've been proven quite wrong in the past. Remember the thread about operational performace figures for the Delta Connection carriers? The only "facts" I've ever seen you post are heresay and innuendo.
AFELLOWAVIATOR
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acatery,
The 70 seater pays 12% more than the 50 seater.
My my, I have struck a nerve..... Been told to shut up, been called a moron..... and you people call me rude????Fact is, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH..(thats from a movie)
Well, enjoy the 30 dci aircraft while you can. Ever wonder why Delta will not grow your fleet? Because your days are numbered as a DCI carrier. No, not because you can't get any more dojets. I know the truth hurts, and I really did not expect this childish behavior, but I did hear a lot of young pilots fly for aca.
I threw no insults when I got in this thread, you people did.
The 70 seater pays 12% more than the 50 seater.
My my, I have struck a nerve..... Been told to shut up, been called a moron..... and you people call me rude????Fact is, YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH..(thats from a movie)
Well, enjoy the 30 dci aircraft while you can. Ever wonder why Delta will not grow your fleet? Because your days are numbered as a DCI carrier. No, not because you can't get any more dojets. I know the truth hurts, and I really did not expect this childish behavior, but I did hear a lot of young pilots fly for aca.
I threw no insults when I got in this thread, you people did.
Caveman
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AFELLOWAVIATOR originally wrote:
"When I first read the question, my response was " what kind of question was that?" But then I realized that some one in your position, being on the out side looking in, most likely would not have the prospective that some one who has been in the industry for a while has."
That doesn't seem particuilarly hostile to me.
He also wrote:
"In my opinion, ACA would be the wrong choice by a long shot. And here is why. ACA is a contract carrier. Comair is a wholly owned. With all the aircraft we have on order, it is just a matter of time until the contract carriers at Delta will be gone. Leo Mullin, the CEO of Delta, wanted to get as much market share with the RJ as fast as he could while the aircraft is still fairly new to the market. So, until he can fill the market with his own jets, he is using contract carriers."
One man's opinion but not derogatory or contemptuous towards anyone.
Also:
"Our contract is better, and ACA pilots have little chance of improving theirs in the future. Why? The pilot group at ACA did not show any desire to have an industry leading contract. Why do I say that? They basically folded after just 10 months of talks, when the average section 8 talks take 3+ years. That was there choice, and I am only stating facts. As a contract carrier, it is true that the company does has less to offer, so maybe they were correct in there stance."
Maybe a little holier than thou and probably a bit controversial but, again, not really hostile.
And finally:
"Being at Comair for eight years, I can say the company is top notch, and if you would like, I will fax you parts of our contract if it will help you.
Thank You"
Seems pretty helpful to me. Why is everyone so pissed at this guy? You may disagree with his position but he didn't start the personal attacks on this thread.
"When I first read the question, my response was " what kind of question was that?" But then I realized that some one in your position, being on the out side looking in, most likely would not have the prospective that some one who has been in the industry for a while has."
That doesn't seem particuilarly hostile to me.
He also wrote:
"In my opinion, ACA would be the wrong choice by a long shot. And here is why. ACA is a contract carrier. Comair is a wholly owned. With all the aircraft we have on order, it is just a matter of time until the contract carriers at Delta will be gone. Leo Mullin, the CEO of Delta, wanted to get as much market share with the RJ as fast as he could while the aircraft is still fairly new to the market. So, until he can fill the market with his own jets, he is using contract carriers."
One man's opinion but not derogatory or contemptuous towards anyone.
Also:
"Our contract is better, and ACA pilots have little chance of improving theirs in the future. Why? The pilot group at ACA did not show any desire to have an industry leading contract. Why do I say that? They basically folded after just 10 months of talks, when the average section 8 talks take 3+ years. That was there choice, and I am only stating facts. As a contract carrier, it is true that the company does has less to offer, so maybe they were correct in there stance."
Maybe a little holier than thou and probably a bit controversial but, again, not really hostile.
And finally:
"Being at Comair for eight years, I can say the company is top notch, and if you would like, I will fax you parts of our contract if it will help you.
Thank You"
Seems pretty helpful to me. Why is everyone so pissed at this guy? You may disagree with his position but he didn't start the personal attacks on this thread.
cocknbull
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Afellowaviator
If you did not feel threatened by ACA you would not care.
Do you not think Delta guys don't care that you took over many of there routes.
Do you think that they aren't upset some of their brothers are on food stamps while Comair is hiring.
Delta guys aren't stupid.
I hear alot of Comair pilots talk about this great contract that will allow Comair pilots to flow through to Delta under one seniority list. I also here how Delta will phase out ACA, Chautauqua, and American Eagle as soon as ASA and Comair can handle it. Get real. Delta is a good old boys club. The thought of ex-military pilots starting at Comair instead of Delta makes them cringe. They would much rather see there military brothers then guys who took their flying and caused many of them to be furloghed. If this contract did happen Comairs profit margin would start to shrink. Eventually Comair and ASA would be in the same boat as American Eagle.
The bottom line is ACA makes money. There will always be air carriers who want to use us to make them some cash. We are not worried.
If you did not feel threatened by ACA you would not care.
Do you not think Delta guys don't care that you took over many of there routes.
Do you think that they aren't upset some of their brothers are on food stamps while Comair is hiring.
Delta guys aren't stupid.
I hear alot of Comair pilots talk about this great contract that will allow Comair pilots to flow through to Delta under one seniority list. I also here how Delta will phase out ACA, Chautauqua, and American Eagle as soon as ASA and Comair can handle it. Get real. Delta is a good old boys club. The thought of ex-military pilots starting at Comair instead of Delta makes them cringe. They would much rather see there military brothers then guys who took their flying and caused many of them to be furloghed. If this contract did happen Comairs profit margin would start to shrink. Eventually Comair and ASA would be in the same boat as American Eagle.
The bottom line is ACA makes money. There will always be air carriers who want to use us to make them some cash. We are not worried.
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