Comair to furlough 500??!!

[Sir Muttley]

Explain why ASA allowed the furloughed pilots to come over and you could not again? Oh, it was the golden rule, that was later BROKEN. You couldn't do it back then, right? Why were you different than ASA? Explain it please. You are better than them? Flying Gods. Riiiiight. Ridiculous. Delta owned both of you back then, but only they could help our furloughs. You have no excuse.

Bye Bye--General Lee

General, obviously your reading comprehension skills are lacking to say the least, assuming you did read my post. Comair DID offer ALL furloughed Delta pilots a position at Comair. The Comair pilot group and MEC had no problem giving each and every one of the Delta pilots preferential hiring. The problem lies with the furloughed pilots themselves. The fact of the matter is most, (I say most because there are some furloughed DAL pilots that came over to Comair) just couldn't part their lips from Delta's big ole crusty tit! Now get over it!

As for ASA, you can't compare ASA to Comair, regardless of ownership. Each company has their own individual policies and procedures and are at liberty to make independent business decisions. It's not that one company is better than the other, or their pilots are gods, just that each company has a different business plan and needs to make decisions to fully execute that plan. The Comair MEC agreed with the Comair management regarding their seniority resignation policy for new hires.

A Delta, ASA, Comair, merger may have been welcome after Delta purchased the two carriers 5+ years ago, but you nor I had any input in that decision. Did Delta pilots support any such endeavor? I think not. On second thought maybe you Delta pilots just simply sold us out! I'll have to see what kind of self-centered "Genital Lee" story I can come up with why Delta pilots wouldn't back us up and create a single seniority list......I'll get back to you on that!

 

[General Lee]

General, obviously your reading comprehension skills are lacking to say the least, assuming you did read my post. Comair DID offer ALL furloughed Delta pilots a position at Comair. The Comair pilot group and MEC had no problem giving each and every one of the Delta pilots preferential hiring. The problem lies with the furloughed pilots themselves. The fact of the matter is most, (I say most because there are some furloughed DAL pilots that came over to Comair) just couldn't part their lips from Delta's big ole crusty tit! Now get over it!

As for ASA, you can't compare ASA to Comair, regardless of ownership. Each company has their own individual policies and procedures and are at liberty to make independent business decisions. It's not that one company is better than the other, or their pilots are gods, just that each company has a different business plan and needs to make decisions to fully execute that plan. The Comair MEC agreed with the Comair management regarding their seniority resignation policy for new hires.

A Delta, ASA, Comair, merger may have been welcome after Delta purchased the two carriers 5+ years ago, but you nor I had any input in that decision. Did Delta pilots support any such endeavor? I think not. On second thought maybe you Delta pilots just simply sold us out! I'll have to see what kind of self-centered "Genital Lee" story I can come up with why Delta pilots wouldn't back us up and create a single seniority list......I'll get back to you on that!

Well, most of us pilots thought one list was a good idea, but your senior dogs thought DOH was entitled to them. That is one reason why the preferential hiring thing went out the window. Your senior dogs, most who probably couldn't get hired by a major anyway due to a multitude of reasons, wanted it all. They didn't want to get a preferential interview, because they knew they would have failed. So, they went to that ex Comair chief pilot and refused for the rest of you. Sad but true. The VOCAL MINORITY, the senior pilots, scared the majority of junior guys into doing what they said. You all know it is true. We had no problem with a staple type situation----because ALL of us interviewed and had to go through the process. Your senior people didn't want to, and the junior people lost out.

Then you say I can't compare ASA to Comair. Oooooooh....kay. Are you sure about that? Who owned both at the time? Who? You can't get out of your head that Comair is OWNED BY DELTA. But, your MEC Chair Lawson wanted something else before he would persuade Comair management to allow furloughed pilots on without seniority resignation. Oh yeah, he wanted more 70 seaters, and so did management. It is true, and YOU KNOW IT BUDDY. Keep doing your little dance, you look pathetic. Sir Smutty---nice name.


Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[Sir Muttley]

We can be superheroes: Genital Lee and Sir Smutty.....I like that.....and were both Delta pilots who would have ever thought!

 

[jetflyer]

Are you guys CUTTING AND PASTING THESE ARGUMENTS FROM 3 YEARS AGO!!??

Let's get back to the doom and gloom of Comair being liquidated!

Even being at Comair the LIQUIDATION DOOM AND GLOOM is more FUN THAN READING THESE ARGUMENTS AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN AND AGAIN.

Oh and by the way My MEC can beat up your MEC!

Jet

 

[Puck Mugger]

Nero fiddled while Rome burned......

 

[standaman]

Nero fiddled while Rome burned......

But here is a question?

Is Nero Comair or Delta?

Is Rome Comair or Delta?

 

[FN FAL]

Nero fiddled while Rome burned......

is anybody else getting the feeling that pitting mainline v. regional is the same as that episode of "Twighlight Zone" where the aliens were able to invade by turning power off in one house or the other with a divide and conquer strategy?

 

[~~~^~~~]

Oh and by the way My MEC can beat up your MEC!

Jet

Actually, your average ol line pilot can beat up the Delta MEC. I refer you to the matter of Ford v. ALPA.

And General, come up with some new material. The DOH lie is just, tired, old, stale, material. You are a bright guy - admit it - your MEC screwed up and still believes in an ALPA apartied to this day. The alternative proposed by Mr. Ford would have resulted in a more financially secure Delta and would have prevented any Delta pilots from being furloughed.

 

[regionaltard]

Anyone wondering how this profession could have fallen so far, so fast, need look no further than Exhibit A.

As much as management enjoys screwing pilots, it's got to be even more fun for them to just stand back and watch us run each other into the ground.

 

[spinproof]

Actually, your average ol line pilot can beat up the Delta MEC. I refer you to the matter of Ford v. ALPA.

And General, come up with some new material. The DOH lie is just, tired, old, stale, material. You are a bright guy - admit it - your MEC screwed up and still believes in an ALPA apartied to this day. The alternative proposed by Mr. Ford would have resulted in a more financially secure Delta and would have prevented any Delta pilots from being furloughed.

A precise observation.

 

[DGdaPilot]

I don't understand why all these mainline pilots think it's every regional pilots dream to move up to a mainline. When I was with Comair, I was treated well, pay was decent, and I liked nearly everyone I met. I would have considered retiring there if some outside forces didn't come up. Hey General, those senior Comair pilots that you're refering to: did ya ever think that they act the way they do because they like their job and have no intent to become a mainline pilot? Whooooaaa....never thought of that, did ya?

 

[Puck Mugger]

Ad Infinitum

I was making reference to all the retards hashing out the same old argument while the industry crumbles around them.

Surplus vs. the Deltoids. General vs. the Bruised Egos of Comair.

It is all so moot I am amazed that anyone can find the enegry to babble the same old crap year in and year out.

 

[737 Pylt]

Actually, your average ol line pilot can beat up the Delta MEC. I refer you to the matter of Ford v. ALPA.

Fins:
Didn't know you had a sense of humor! How many of the rjdc's claims were thrown out??

And General, come up with some new material. The DOH lie is just, tired, old, stale, material. You are a bright guy - admit it - your MEC screwed up and still believes in an ALPA apartied to this day. The alternative proposed by Mr. Ford would have resulted in a more financially secure Delta and would have prevented any Delta pilots from being furloughed.

YGTBSM! ford's suit would benefit nobody but himself. But then again as a supporter of such a scumbag outfit it doesn't surprise me. How much in monetary damages were you guys looking for?? You are obviously frustrated in your career (as we all are) but your constant finger pointing (in your own words) is just, tired, old, stale material!
737

 

[pilotyip]

Remember in the the old days you went to work for SWA, FedEx to get expereince to go to a major. Now SWA and FedEx are the premier jobs. Pretty soon the bar will be lowered so much that USA Jet and Kalitta are looked at as the premier jobs. Only kidding LOL.

 

[Puck Mugger]

Fins:
Didn't know you had a sense of humor! How many of the rjdc's claims were thrown out??


YGTBSM! ford's suit would benefit nobody but himself. But then again as a supporter of such a scumbag outfit it doesn't surprise me. How much in monetary damages were you guys looking for?? You are obviously frustrated in your career (as we all are) but your constant finger pointing (in your own words) is just, tired, old, stale material!
737

No kidding.

How laughable does the RJDC suit seem now. Talk about marginilized and irrelevant. I would love to see the smirk on the judge's face the next time they appear in front of him.

I would imagine that are a lot of the malcontents that are wishing they had the $$$ they had dumped into this rediculous attempt at a backdoor to a widebody job.

Should have put the money into a CD at the bank. At least they would have gotten a 3% return.

 

[~~~^~~~]

How laughable does the RJDC suit seem now. Talk about marginilized and irrelevant.

Dan Ford filed his lawsuit in time to protect the CY 96 scope which allowed airplanes up to 105 seats on the Delta Connection property. ASA had a few of them when I hired in.

The current battle is over the 100 seat airframes. I think Mr. Ford's suit is incredibly relevant. If Delta were to put 100 seat jets at mainline CA Ford might be able to throw down an injunction until his case is settled. (I don't know, and I'm not that close to the action)

and 737FO, if this were about money it would have already been settled. ALPA has money and is willing to do the kind of deal they did to get rid of the Jet America lawsuit. You are a good researcher, look up that case and look at our EVP's (things that make you go, "huh?") Capt. Ford was quoted as having said this was about changing the union's behavior and I believe him.

Besides, ALPA simply must do something to stop alter ego. Your proposed 100 seat rates should be enough to convince you of the need for a return to ALPA's core beliefs.

 

[General Lee]

Fins,

Delta can do whatever it wants, give planes to whoever it wants right now. Even in Chap 11, Grinstein said that 100 seat market is for Delta, not DCI. Ford will then sue Grinstein to try to get what he wants next....

Bye Bye--General Lee

 

[michael707767]

If Delta were to put 100 seat jets at mainline CA Ford might be able to throw down an injunction until his case is settled. .

this statement just shows what fools you guys are. Even if Delta had scope allowing ASA or CMR to fly a 100 seat jet, there would be nothing preventing Delta from flying them at the mainline too.

 

[michael707767]

Dan Ford filed his lawsuit in time to protect the CY 96 scope which allowed airplanes up to 105 seats on the Delta Connection property. ASA had a few of them when I hired in.

.

again, since you are trying to mislead people, Contract 96 did not allow 105 seat airplanes, which is to say it did not allow any 105 seat airplane. The BEA-146 was the only airplane allowed in Contract 96 and it was a very limited number and they were only allowed to be flown at ASA.....not CMR. So if Ford was trying to protect Contract 96 scope, he really had no standing since CMR was never allowed to operate a BAE-146, so what would he be trying to protect?

 

[Puck Mugger]

Don Quixote has nothing on these RJDC clowns.

They are delusional crusaders. Arguing is pointless.