Comair furloughs 210

[clarkwgriswald]

In regards to delta flying, do you guys really believe that mesa going bk would benefit comair in any way? Approaching five years here and not one good thing has happened. There are plenty of other carriers that can replace mesa flying should it become necessary. Comair, for what many believe to be its limited future, will continue to be nothing more than a reserve airline in the dci system.

 

[DX Rick]

Why are we all 6xxx flight numbers now?

 

[flyboyike]

Why are we all 6xxx flight numbers now?

And why is Republic 5xxx now?

 

[crjdxr]

Double secret probation.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

There once was a Pilot group who said Enough! They put their careers on the line and walked out for 89 days. They said "we would rather risk every thing than continue with the status quoe. They fought a good fight and won a contract that put them at the top of the Regional Industry. Did they get every thing they wanted? No. But they were satisfied they had done there part. The other Regional Pilot groups would now pick up the torch and continue the fight.
Boy, were they wrong.Republic pilots were in a 30 day cooling off period. They had a decision to make. Under cut the Comair pilot group or demand what Comair Pilots got plus a little.
That is called pattern bargaining. A common practice that dates back decades.
They chose the path of cowards. They were told if they under cut the Comair Pilots, they would get a bunch of Shiny New Jets. Quick upgrades. They bought into it. They could not resist. The Mesa Pilots had already bowed to ornstein. They watched as jo played them like a fiddle. They saw all this play out and they STLL bowed to the same tactics jo had used to beat his pilots into submission.
It was sad to watch. All it did was give them an excuse to stab the Comair Pilots in the back.
Now today, Comair is sending 206 pilots packing.
All hopes of bargain pattern bargaining is gone because of the actions of a couple of short sited pilot groups.
So if you guys and gals ever wonder why a Comair Pilot looks the other way when you pass him or her in the terminals, just think about the 206 fine pilots who no longer have jobs due in large part to your short sited actions at a time when you could of stood tall and joined the Comair Pilots in saying "Enough!"

Pot,

How dare you insult an entire pilot group like this? You call a group the problem, yet you are flying a regional jet arent you? YOU are part of the problem as well....You are simply an idiot.....

Kettle

 

[McNugent]

And why is Republic 5xxx now?

Delta is re-working the flight #'s. ASA isn't all 4xxx anymore, some will be 5xxx.

 

[staylow]

DX wins the thread with a JaRule reference!

I owe you one beer my friend!

It's not JaRule. It's the Cash Money Millionaires...Birdman, lil' Wayne, etc.

 

[staylow]

I have to say after reading all the "Mesa Sucks" threads I must admit pilots are their own worst enemies. Yea...we all know Mesa/Freedom/Air Midwest sucks, but so does Comair, Republic, Great Lakes, ASA, Eagle. All regionals suck...in some form or another. Is your regional airline giving you a great quality of life? How about $80,000.00 to be the FO on a CRJ/ERJ/B1900D? How about a consistant 15-17 days off a month? NONE. I hear pilots complaining about how mainline pilots are $hitty to them and how terrible it is to sit on the jumpseat of a mainline flight because all the crews are a$$holes. Then 20 minutes later I see the same guys walk down the concourse and snub some guy from another regional who just said "what up"? What did that one regional guy ever do to a mainline guy? Nothing. And what did the one regional guy do to the regional guy...nothing. And if a guy chooses to go to the Delta Connection Academy in Florida and pay $120,000.00 to be a Comair pilot good for that guy. And if another guy choose to go to Midland Community College and pay $20,000.00 to get a job at Mesa good for him. Who cares...anyone on this board who says they didn't/wouldn't take the first offer they got after flight instructing is full of $hit. If you really did hold out for your "really great" regional airline your an idiot. This is why the airlines are jacked up. IT'S THOSE GUYS!!! F*cking it up for everyone else. Everyone thinks they're better than everyone else. Damn that's so dumb. That includes you mainline jacka$$es who constantly post on the REGIONAL board. Go back to your board...damn. That's even dumber. I need a beer...now.

 

[comrcap]

recall

Genious crew planner at Comair predicts recalls in 2Q '09. Wait a minute ??? Sh#t' I don't know. These are the same dumbas#es that put out upgrades when they KNEW that we were going to furlough!

Puppet Mgmt 101 at its best


But hey! Good things are happening in Flight Ops! (memo)

 

[CX880]

I have to say after reading all the "Mesa Sucks" threads I must admit pilots are their own worst enemies. Yea...we all know Mesa/Freedom/Air Midwest sucks, but so does Comair, Republic, Great Lakes, ASA, Eagle. All regionals suck...in some form or another. Is your regional airline giving you a great quality of life? How about $80,000.00 to be the FO on a CRJ/ERJ/B1900D? How about a consistant 15-17 days off a month? NONE. I hear pilots complaining about how mainline pilots are $hitty to them and how terrible it is to sit on the jumpseat of a mainline flight because all the crews are a$$holes. Then 20 minutes later I see the same guys walk down the concourse and snub some guy from another regional who just said "what up"? What did that one regional guy ever do to a mainline guy? Nothing. And what did the one regional guy do to the regional guy...nothing. And if a guy chooses to go to the Delta Connection Academy in Florida and pay $120,000.00 to be a Comair pilot good for that guy. And if another guy choose to go to Midland Community College and pay $20,000.00 to get a job at Mesa good for him. Who cares...anyone on this board who says they didn't/wouldn't take the first offer they got after flight instructing is full of $hit. If you really did hold out for your "really great" regional airline your an idiot. This is why the airlines are jacked up. IT'S THOSE GUYS!!! F*cking it up for everyone else. Everyone thinks they're better than everyone else. Damn that's so dumb. That includes you mainline jacka$$es who constantly post on the REGIONAL board. Go back to your board...damn. That's even dumber. I need a beer...now.

I totally agree with you especially about the beer. I think it's fair to say that 80% have it right, it's the rest that ******************** it all up. Fly the line, build time and move on. We are our own enemy. Guys out there are trying to make the regionals like the majors, you can't have it both ways. As long as you don't have 8 days off per month making min guarantee, you're golden. With the exception of one airline out there, no one has it that ********************ty we should all be happy we have a job.

 

[Minimaniac]

I constantly see ComAir guys bashing pilots of every other regional for destroying career advancement, pay, and quality of life issues. But who, may I ask, took delivery of the first regional jets in the United States? Who forever cemented regionals as C-scale work forces, and first took away the potential growth of the mainline carriers? I believe it was a certain Delta connection airline that took the first CRJ, and I believe that airline's name started with a C....

But the truth is, the pilots at comair that started us all down the steep slope of career destruction are for the most part NOT at Comair anymore. Likewise, the majority of pilots who voted in the current Mesa, Chautauqua, and pinnacle contracts are no longer at those airlines. If you want to live in the past, go to the beginning and look to yourselves. if you want to look to the present, understand who makes up the work groups of those you focus your hate at. If you want to look to the future, then drop the schnitty attitude and help work on a collective plan for the future. The pilot groups you so despise are all in contract negotiations now, with fresh voters in the ranks. If you keep up your despicable attitude towards them, you just may find them dancing in the streets when you lose your job. We all vote with our hearts, and right now my heart wants to see some of you on your butt. Show some support and intelligence, and my heart will want to see us all in a better place. I am going to make my airline a better place to work. But I have the choice of raising the bar to a level above you, or just slightly beneath you. Be a man, act like a comrade, and don't hold the past over the heads of those who were not a part of it.

 

[V-1]

So what if they recall in q2 2009...after the increase in summer flying ends in September 2009 we'll be having this same discussion again a year from now after Comair furloughs their seasonal help.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

I constantly see ComAir guys bashing pilots of every other regional for destroying career advancement, pay, and quality of life issues. But who, may I ask, took delivery of the first regional jets in the United States? Who forever cemented regionals as C-scale work forces, and first took away the potential growth of the mainline carriers? I believe it was a certain Delta connection airline that took the first CRJ, and I believe that airline's name started with a C....

But the truth is, the pilots at comair that started us all down the steep slope of career destruction are for the most part NOT at Comair anymore. Likewise, the majority of pilots who voted in the current Mesa, Chautauqua, and pinnacle contracts are no longer at those airlines. If you want to live in the past, go to the beginning and look to yourselves. if you want to look to the present, understand who makes up the work groups of those you focus your hate at. If you want to look to the future, then drop the schnitty attitude and help work on a collective plan for the future. The pilot groups you so despise are all in contract negotiations now, with fresh voters in the ranks. If you keep up your despicable attitude towards them, you just may find them dancing in the streets when you lose your job. We all vote with our hearts, and right now my heart wants to see some of you on your butt. Show some support and intelligence, and my heart will want to see us all in a better place. I am going to make my airline a better place to work. But I have the choice of raising the bar to a level above you, or just slightly beneath you. Be a man, act like a comrade, and don't hold the past over the heads of those who were not a part of it.

Well researched and well said. I owe ya a beer or two.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

I'll take a beer from you Saluki for having to post here and correct you.....unfortunately, those words of wisdom come from the world-reknown poet Juvenile.

:beer:

You win a beer too! Honestly I havent been black in a LONG time...my memory is hazy!

 

[cmrflyer]

I constantly see ComAir guys bashing pilots of every other regional for destroying career advancement, pay, and quality of life issues. But who, may I ask, took delivery of the first regional jets in the United States? Who forever cemented regionals as C-scale work forces, and first took away the potential growth of the mainline carriers? I believe it was a certain Delta connection airline that took the first CRJ, and I believe that airline's name started with a C....

But the truth is, the pilots at comair that started us all down the steep slope of career destruction are for the most part NOT at Comair anymore. Likewise, the majority of pilots who voted in the current Mesa, Chautauqua, and pinnacle contracts are no longer at those airlines. If you want to live in the past, go to the beginning and look to yourselves. if you want to look to the present, understand who makes up the work groups of those you focus your hate at. If you want to look to the future, then drop the schnitty attitude and help work on a collective plan for the future. The pilot groups you so despise are all in contract negotiations now, with fresh voters in the ranks. If you keep up your despicable attitude towards them, you just may find them dancing in the streets when you lose your job. We all vote with our hearts, and right now my heart wants to see some of you on your butt. Show some support and intelligence, and my heart will want to see us all in a better place. I am going to make my airline a better place to work. But I have the choice of raising the bar to a level above you, or just slightly beneath you. Be a man, act like a comrade, and don't hold the past over the heads of those who were not a part of it.

I vote with my brain (something you obviously don't have).
Your grasp of the industry is a little off.
The Delta pilot group turned down the CRJ because it wasn't good enough for them. Maybe they were making decisions with their heart and not their brains too.
Get a grip, and grow up.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Girl, you looks good, won't you back that thang up
You'se a fine motherfocka, won't you back that thang up
Call me Big Daddy when you back that thang up
Hoe, who is you playin wit? Back that thang up.

You son of a...I just laughed my arse off...which is not good because:

• A.) it is quiet in the office and I sounded like an idiot.
• B.) I just had my appendix ripped out Tuesday morning and laughing still hurts.

DX wins the thread with a JaRule reference!

I owe you one beer my friend!

That would be Juvenile, holmes. Get your annoying, late 90's/early 00's wannabe gangsta rappers straight. CASH MONEY RECORDS FO' THE NINE-NINE AND THE TWO-THOUSAND!!

In all seriousness, though...best of luck to the guys at Comair that are being furloughed. This business sucks sometimes.

 

[bigshooter107]

MESA SUCKS.

 

[McNugent]

Is it just me or are Comair pilots in a perpetual state of denial?

 

[Freight Dog]

Is it just me or are Comair pilots in a perpetual state of denial?

It's you...

The entire friggin' subcontractor regional jet industry is in a perpetual state of denial. Look at the GoJet threads...

 

[Speedtape]

It's you...

The entire friggin' subcontractor regional jet industry is in a perpetual state of denial. Look at the GoJet threads...

You are correct and this is just the way the mainline managements want it. Divide and conquer. As long as we do not stand united, they will continue to kick our arses. Once again, regional jobs and careers are unstable--even at Comair! Of course, what airline job is stable, longterm? That is a lesson, by now, that should be well learned by all!