Comair furloughs 210

[Minimaniac]

I constantly see ComAir guys bashing pilots of every other regional for destroying career advancement, pay, and quality of life issues. But who, may I ask, took delivery of the first regional jets in the United States? Who forever cemented regionals as C-scale work forces, and first took away the potential growth of the mainline carriers? I believe it was a certain Delta connection airline that took the first CRJ, and I believe that airline's name started with a C....

But the truth is, the pilots at comair that started us all down the steep slope of career destruction are for the most part NOT at Comair anymore. Likewise, the majority of pilots who voted in the current Mesa, Chautauqua, and pinnacle contracts are no longer at those airlines. If you want to live in the past, go to the beginning and look to yourselves. if you want to look to the present, understand who makes up the work groups of those you focus your hate at. If you want to look to the future, then drop the schnitty attitude and help work on a collective plan for the future. The pilot groups you so despise are all in contract negotiations now, with fresh voters in the ranks. If you keep up your despicable attitude towards them, you just may find them dancing in the streets when you lose your job. We all vote with our hearts, and right now my heart wants to see some of you on your butt. Show some support and intelligence, and my heart will want to see us all in a better place. I am going to make my airline a better place to work. But I have the choice of raising the bar to a level above you, or just slightly beneath you. Be a man, act like a comrade, and don't hold the past over the heads of those who were not a part of it.

 

[V-1]

So what if they recall in q2 2009...after the increase in summer flying ends in September 2009 we'll be having this same discussion again a year from now after Comair furloughs their seasonal help.

 

[rogerwilcoout]

I constantly see ComAir guys bashing pilots of every other regional for destroying career advancement, pay, and quality of life issues. But who, may I ask, took delivery of the first regional jets in the United States? Who forever cemented regionals as C-scale work forces, and first took away the potential growth of the mainline carriers? I believe it was a certain Delta connection airline that took the first CRJ, and I believe that airline's name started with a C....

But the truth is, the pilots at comair that started us all down the steep slope of career destruction are for the most part NOT at Comair anymore. Likewise, the majority of pilots who voted in the current Mesa, Chautauqua, and pinnacle contracts are no longer at those airlines. If you want to live in the past, go to the beginning and look to yourselves. if you want to look to the present, understand who makes up the work groups of those you focus your hate at. If you want to look to the future, then drop the schnitty attitude and help work on a collective plan for the future. The pilot groups you so despise are all in contract negotiations now, with fresh voters in the ranks. If you keep up your despicable attitude towards them, you just may find them dancing in the streets when you lose your job. We all vote with our hearts, and right now my heart wants to see some of you on your butt. Show some support and intelligence, and my heart will want to see us all in a better place. I am going to make my airline a better place to work. But I have the choice of raising the bar to a level above you, or just slightly beneath you. Be a man, act like a comrade, and don't hold the past over the heads of those who were not a part of it.

Well researched and well said. I owe ya a beer or two.

 

[Salukipilot4590]

I'll take a beer from you Saluki for having to post here and correct you.....unfortunately, those words of wisdom come from the world-reknown poet Juvenile.

:beer:

You win a beer too! Honestly I havent been black in a LONG time...my memory is hazy!

 

[cmrflyer]

I constantly see ComAir guys bashing pilots of every other regional for destroying career advancement, pay, and quality of life issues. But who, may I ask, took delivery of the first regional jets in the United States? Who forever cemented regionals as C-scale work forces, and first took away the potential growth of the mainline carriers? I believe it was a certain Delta connection airline that took the first CRJ, and I believe that airline's name started with a C....

But the truth is, the pilots at comair that started us all down the steep slope of career destruction are for the most part NOT at Comair anymore. Likewise, the majority of pilots who voted in the current Mesa, Chautauqua, and pinnacle contracts are no longer at those airlines. If you want to live in the past, go to the beginning and look to yourselves. if you want to look to the present, understand who makes up the work groups of those you focus your hate at. If you want to look to the future, then drop the schnitty attitude and help work on a collective plan for the future. The pilot groups you so despise are all in contract negotiations now, with fresh voters in the ranks. If you keep up your despicable attitude towards them, you just may find them dancing in the streets when you lose your job. We all vote with our hearts, and right now my heart wants to see some of you on your butt. Show some support and intelligence, and my heart will want to see us all in a better place. I am going to make my airline a better place to work. But I have the choice of raising the bar to a level above you, or just slightly beneath you. Be a man, act like a comrade, and don't hold the past over the heads of those who were not a part of it.

I vote with my brain (something you obviously don't have).
Your grasp of the industry is a little off.
The Delta pilot group turned down the CRJ because it wasn't good enough for them. Maybe they were making decisions with their heart and not their brains too.
Get a grip, and grow up.

 

[WalterSobchak]

Girl, you looks good, won't you back that thang up
You'se a fine motherfocka, won't you back that thang up
Call me Big Daddy when you back that thang up
Hoe, who is you playin wit? Back that thang up.

You son of a...I just laughed my arse off...which is not good because:

• A.) it is quiet in the office and I sounded like an idiot.
• B.) I just had my appendix ripped out Tuesday morning and laughing still hurts.

DX wins the thread with a JaRule reference!

I owe you one beer my friend!

That would be Juvenile, holmes. Get your annoying, late 90's/early 00's wannabe gangsta rappers straight. CASH MONEY RECORDS FO' THE NINE-NINE AND THE TWO-THOUSAND!!

In all seriousness, though...best of luck to the guys at Comair that are being furloughed. This business sucks sometimes.

 

[bigshooter107]

MESA SUCKS.

 

[McNugent]

Is it just me or are Comair pilots in a perpetual state of denial?

 

[Freight Dog]

Is it just me or are Comair pilots in a perpetual state of denial?

It's you...

The entire friggin' subcontractor regional jet industry is in a perpetual state of denial. Look at the GoJet threads...

 

[Speedtape]

It's you...

The entire friggin' subcontractor regional jet industry is in a perpetual state of denial. Look at the GoJet threads...

You are correct and this is just the way the mainline managements want it. Divide and conquer. As long as we do not stand united, they will continue to kick our arses. Once again, regional jobs and careers are unstable--even at Comair! Of course, what airline job is stable, longterm? That is a lesson, by now, that should be well learned by all!

 

[Goose Egg]

...anyone on this board who says they didn't/wouldn't take the first offer they got after flight instructing is full of $hit. If you really did hold out for your "really great" regional airline your an idiot..

As I recall, I didn't take the first job offer I received from a regional. What airline, you ask? It was Comair. At the time, I questioned my own judgement, but with hindsight, I think I made the right call, especially considering that my Comair interview didn't even occur until May 2007. I don't believe in a "really great" regionals either, however, I do believe in a "really great" situation, which is what I held out for. If you still think I'm an idiot, well, you are entitled to your opinion.

Like I said, I have to agree about there not being any such thing as a "really great" regionals. There are good and bad, but none that are "really great." But, you've got to start somewhere.

-Goose

 

[staylow]

As I recall, I didn't take the first job offer I received from a regional. What airline, you ask? It was Comair. At the time, I questioned my own judgement, but with hindsight, I think I made the right call, especially considering that my Comair interview didn't even occur until May 2007. I don't believe in a "really great" regionals either, however, I do believe in a "really great" situation, which is what I held out for. If you still think I'm an idiot, well, you are entitled to your opinion.

Like I said, I have to agree about there not being any such thing as a "really great" regionals. There are good and bad, but none that are "really great." But, you've got to start somewhere.

-Goose

Goose Egg...you missed the point completely...here, let me draw it for you in the sand. The point of my thread was, one regional is no better than any other regional. Yea...some will argue they make more money or they get to fly the guppie killer or some other horse $hit. The fact remains the same...no one has a "great regional" job. And I am pretty sure that when the opprotunity comes, 99% of the pilots will move on. So, if you think that you do, stop reading this now. But if you don't, here is the rest of the thread...I've grown tired of watching one regional guy snub another regional guy because he works for some other "crappy regional." ONE REGIONAL IS NO BETTER THAN ANY OTHER!!! The reason mainline can whipsaw every DCI carrier so easily is because there is no unity amoung each DCI carriers...instead we make it simple for management to jack us around, because everyone thinks they are so much better than the other. Which in my opinion...if I was making $80K as a FO...had 15 days off every month...and a QOL...my regional then would be the best. But I am not. Infact 206 pilots are getting launched over October and November...my regional is like the rest...we suck. I hope this helped. Now I need another six beers...damn.

 

[Broke in CVG]

ONE REGIONAL IS NO BETTER THAN ANY OTHER!!! T

Except Mesa. They are all better than Mesa because.... MESA SUCKS!

 

[acarpe3448]

Just saw on our XJT forum somebody post that Comair announced 210 furloughs today, apparently back to April 07 hires. Can anyone else back that up?

HEY!!!! Thats Great News. I hear that Delta is parking another 100 50 seaters also! Now start that applications and read up on how to file for unemployment!

 

[Goose Egg]

Well, if that was your point, you probably shouldn't have started with "you're full of [expletive deleted] if you didn't take the first regional job that came along." I didn't, and I made the right call.

And I suppose I partially agree with you--I wouldn't say a regional job is "great" compared to what else is available out there for flying jobs, or at least could be available in better times. Where I take issue with you is that I think that some regionals are better than others. Some situations are better than others. So according to the working conditions I could be experiencing in my regional work life, I have a great situation. I work for a great regional airline... for me.

I also take issue with your assertion that 99% of regional pilots would move on if they had the chance. In reality, for many people, that just wouldn't make sense. You should know this.

About people snubbing others because of the company they work for; It's not something that I personally make a practice of (as if I had anything to be prideful about in the first place!) , but people will be jerks, and you just can't control that. People will snub you, but you can't let it affect you. It's more of a commentary on the type of person that they are vs. a reflection of your status in the industry, and that's how you should look at it. So some CRJ FO thinks that they are now too good to make eye contact with me in the terminal. So what? Do I let it ruin my day? No way. Dude, you just need to chill.

I...if I was making $80K as a FO...had 15 days off every month...and a QOL...my regional then would be the best.

Yeah, and if I won the lottery I'd pay off all my student loans and then buy a 500,000 square foot house with a kidney-shaped pool and a tennis court and have a few cars and a boat and some dancing girls and.... a butler. Yeah, a butler. It'd be wierd at first but I think I could get used to it. And then Jeeves, Amber, and I could snub people as we drove around. I'd never have any problems again.

My point is that people perceive regionals as being "crappy" because they expect that by being a regional pilot they should be making $80k for being an FO, and it will never happen. I expect that I have years of dues paying ahead of me and hope to move on, yet understand that I work for a very well-run and solid company. I have a "great" situation with a "good" regional.

If you say "all regionals are crappy," it leads me to believe that you just aren't seeing the situation objectively. But I'll try not to snub you anyway.

-Goose