Comair furloughs 210

[JoeMerchant]

Pattern bargaining was trumped by "portfolio whipsaw and RFPs".....We lost.....

If you want pattern bargaining to work...you have to have brand scope that protects those whose raise the bar.....Otherwise it is everyman for themselves....

 

[Raoul Duke]

BTW, for everyone that keeps spouting off that Mesa is going to delist in December needs to do their homework. NASDAQ has suspended the delisting trigger of sub $1.00 stock because of the current economic situation. Initially through Jan 16, 2009 and now extended through the end of 2009. Like it or not, Mesa will stay on the exchange

 

[bob_sakamano]

Too bad that same Union has no spine today. All the focus on is DS and Emaestro.
They ask at the end of each VARS "How many times has your contract been voilated today?"...but they should answer their own question with "It doesn't matter because we won't defend the contract".
I know I know, people will come on and tell me to get involved. Get involved with what? Going to Vegas? Or making up an imaginary assesment fee, after DAL has said there will be no merger at the regional level...yet we're still getting bills for the fee. But wait, we'll get the money back if there is no merger. But not all the money, just what ever is left over from the lawyers.
Our Union is a joke and I think our pilot group has spoken....44% is in bad standing.

Count me in as one in bad standing. Maybe they can give me a knucklehead award!

 

[DX Rick]

Count me in as one in bad standing. Maybe they can give me a knucklehead award!

I haven't flown with one guy this month that isn't in bad standing.

BTW, for everyone that keeps spouting off that Mesa is going to delist in December needs to do their homework. NASDAQ has suspended the delisting trigger of sub $1.00 stock because of the current economic situation. Initially through Jan 16, 2009 and now extended through the end of 2009. Like it or not, Mesa will stay on the exchange

Who ever thinks Mesa is going bye bye is a fool. They will always be around.
If by chance they do shut down, the rest of the industry will not improve like everyone believes. It will continue to suck. Someone else will step up and take the roll of the bottom feeder.

Personally, I think Comair will be the first regional shut down.
Oh yeah. Remember to fly PPAS and call "on time" for every departure. BEcause Delta is watching these numbers, see how much we save them in fuel ($90k last month alone) and this is going to save us!

PS
I don't know how to remove the image of the little guy rolling his eyes. how do i?

 

[RiddleEagle18]

I haven't flown with one guy this month that isn't in bad standing.


Who ever thinks Mesa is going bye bye is a fool. They will always be around.
If by chance they do shut down, the rest of the industry will not improve like everyone believes. It will continue to suck. Someone else will step up and take the roll of the bottom feeder.

Personally, I think Comair will be the first regional shut down.
Oh yeah. Remember to fly PPAS and call "on time" for every departure. BEcause Delta is watching these numbers, see how much we save them in fuel ($90k last month alone) and this is going to save us!

PS
I don't know how to remove the image of the little guy rolling his eyes. how do i?

That 90k was just in APU savings alone. PPAS saves alot more. Oh well..... it was fun while it lasted

 

[JoeMerchant]

Personally, I think Comair will be the first regional shut down.

Several "good" regionals have been shut down before.....West Air, ACA, and Alleghany......Air Willy came close......XJT isn't far away either.....

In this business you don't want to be the highest cost operator.....

 

[DX Rick]

Another Anti ALPA statement.
It's nice that we're furloughing guys, not just here beut at other ALPA carriers.
While we have guys looking for work, our hard working, dedicated union is in Las Vegas at a convention.
What did they accomplish in Vegas? I'm still getting 8 hours of rest at night. Still working 16 hours a day.
We're still furloughing. ExpressJet still taking paycuts and we'll be next.
So exactly what was accomplished in Vegas? I hope it was worth it. This Union claims to be strapped for cash, but just enough to go to Vegas.

 

[bob_sakamano]

Well they've accomplished a lot!

No More Soap stickers, for one.

Voted "No confidence" on DS, for another.

C'mon DX, where's your ALPA pride? :beer:

 

[JoeMerchant]

CMR used to have one of the strongest ALPA groups......ALPA has failed.....

 

[DX Rick]

C'mon DX, where's your ALPA pride? :beer:

It's in remote parking with all 24 airplanes.

 

[bob_sakamano]

CMR used to have one of the strongest ALPA groups......ALPA has failed.....

Joe, you are so right. What an absolute shame. The current MEC and crew have nothing but tunnel vision and suffer from cronyism.

The current MEC has too much hate for DS and spends all their energy fighting him. Can't see the forest for the trees. Truly depressing.

If Comair does die, current ALPA leadership will have been a factor.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Joe, you are so right. What an absolute shame. The current MEC and crew have nothing but tunnel vision and suffer from cronyism.

The current MEC has too much hate for DS and spends all their energy fighting him. Can't see the forest for the trees. Truly depressing.

If Comair does die, current ALPA leadership will have been a factor.

My guess is they are following marching orders from ALPA national....There are many at ALPA national and at DALPA that would love to see you guys go away.....My advice to you would be to start an immediate decertification move with a move to form an in house union....You don't need outside influences right now......

 

[bob_sakamano]

I just got furloughed and will be doing overseas contract work until things shake out back in the US. Hopefully, the remaining Comair pilot group is strong enough to say "enough is enough" and do what is necessary.

There's nothing I can do but refuse to pay my outstanding ALPA assessments and encourage those with a vote.

I fear Comair is heading to way of ACA/flyI, Skyway etc. It's sad. Shame on Delta. Shame on ALPA.

 

[JoeMerchant]

Is it true that 44% of the CMR pilots are in bad standing? Is ALPA trying to get them fired? This could be a huge victory for those who are tiring of the ALPA BS.....They can't fire everyone for going into bad standing.......

The folks in bad standing need to band together.....There is strength in numbers.....ALPA doesn't know anything about strength in numbers....but you can show them....

 

[JoeMerchant]

I just got furloughed and will be doing overseas contract work until things shake out back in the US. Hopefully, the remaining Comair pilot group is strong enough to say "enough is enough" and do what is necessary.

There's nothing I can do but refuse to pay my outstanding ALPA assessments and encourage those with a vote.

I fear Comair is heading to way of ACA/flyI, Skyway etc. It's sad. Shame on Delta. Shame on ALPA.

One more thing you can do is to take the postage paid ALPA PAC envelopes and send a message to ALPA...ALPA has to pay the postage on it.....

 

[bob_sakamano]

One more thing you can do is to take the postage paid ALPA PAC envelopes and send a message to ALPA...ALPA has to pay the postage on it.....

I could be a real jackass and pay them in rolls of pennies in the PAC envelope. $17.50, postage due per envelope. Ha!

I hope you guys fare better that Comair, but that's not really saying much.

All hands, abandon ship. Time for the orchestra to start playing "Nearer My God To Thee"

 

[JoeMerchant]

I could be a real jackass and pay them in rolls of pennies in the PAC envelope. $17.50, postage due per envelope. Ha!

I hope you guys fare better that Comair, but that's not really saying much.

All hands, abandon ship. Time for the orchestra to start playing "Nearer My God To Thee"

Our only hope is that we were spun off.....Jerry is a sharp dude.....

Good luck to you and never forget how your "union brotherhood" took care of you....

 

[DX Rick]

Hopefully, the remaining Comair pilot group is strong enough to say "enough is enough" and do what is necessary.

There's nothing I can do but refuse to pay my outstanding ALPA assessments and encourage those with a vote.
.

The guys who have said "enough is enough" have left, or will be leaving.
They know the industry will not improve. They have no faith in ALPA and figured that there is no future or living to be made at the airlines anymore.
Pensions? HAHAHA! Only for the management.

Don't pay the assesment fee. Chances are you won't return to Comair or an ALPO carrier.
If that letter that AF sent out has any true to it, furloughed NWA guys will be flying our airplanes. But I have yet to see the write up, showing any truth to that. It won't suprise me if it's true.


Joe, all the regionals will be smart to vote ALPA off. We're doing nothing but undercutting each other to survive and ALPA does nothing to help.

 

[Turbine Pilot]

All I've gotta say is I fly for Mesa and the "old" Comair guys that went on strike were the best of the best. They risked their jobs for improvement, bettering the industry at the time. Thanks guys!

 

[bob_sakamano]

Yeah, I don't plan on coming back to Comair. There's nothing left. No QOL, no character or spirit. If by some miracle there is a recall, I won't bite on a 7 year upgrade and 15 years to hold a line.

I couldn't face going to another regional and starting over again. I plan on staying overseas until the economy is good enough to find a decent corporate job.

 

[DX Rick]

Yeah, I don't plan on coming back to Comair. There's nothing left. No QOL, no character or spirit. If by some miracle there is a recall, I won't bite on a 7 year upgrade and 15 years to hold a line.

I couldn't face going to another regional and starting over again. I plan on staying overseas until the economy is good enough to find a decent corporate job.

Sad but true.
Comair is the new Mesa.

 

[Gr82Aviate]

Several "good" regionals have been shut down before.....West Air, ACA, and Alleghany......Air Willy came close......XJT isn't far away either.....

In this business you don't want to be the highest cost operator.....

How about Golden West, Pacific Coast, Imperial, Desert Sun, etc...

 

[wmuflyguy]

The guys who have said "enough is enough" have left, or will be leaving.
They know the industry will not improve. They have no faith in ALPA and figured that there is no future or living to be made at the airlines anymore.
Pensions? HAHAHA! Only for the management.

Don't pay the assesment fee. Chances are you won't return to Comair or an ALPO carrier.
If that letter that AF sent out has any true to it, furloughed NWA guys will be flying our airplanes. But I have yet to see the write up, showing any truth to that. It won't suprise me if it's true.


Joe, all the regionals will be smart to vote ALPA off. We're doing nothing but undercutting each other to survive and ALPA does nothing to help.

Ford's memo was garbage. It went straight into the trash along with the 100% lapel pin.

 

[DX Rick]

Ford's memo was garbage. It went straight into the trash along with the 100% lapel pin.

Not doubting it, but where does he get all of his information? He has some pretty some accusations in that memo.

They're seriously handing those out? Where? What a joke. I guess they replace the Christmas ham.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Not doubting it, but where does he get all of his information? He has some pretty some accusations in that memo.

They're seriously handing those out? Where? What a joke. I guess they replace the Christmas ham.

He didn't provide any sources and I have been unable to find anywhere in the PWA of his accusation. He hates scope and wants to be able to underbid mainline for larger aircraft.

The pin was in our mailboxes...what a joke

 

[JoeMerchant]

He didn't provide any sources and I have been unable to find anywhere in the PWA of his accusation. He hates scope and wants to be able to underbid mainline for larger aircraft.

If you're talking about the flowback that is forced on you if you take 900s....It's in the new DAL JPWA and it came from the NWA contract....It is very real.....

 

[wmuflyguy]

If you're talking about the flowback that is forced on you if you take 900s....It's in the new DAL JPWA and it came from the NWA contract....It is very real.....

Please post it then.

 

[DoinTime]

If you're talking about the flowback that is forced on you if you take 900s....It's in the new DAL JPWA and it came from the NWA contract....It is very real.....

Nice try! Maybe next time you check the facts.

 

[wmuflyguy]

Nice try! Maybe next time you check the facts.

We'll see if he can produce the facts.

 

[DX Rick]

We'll see if he can produce the facts.

And if just happens to be true, in every sense of the new definition of the word SCAB. This would make NWA pilots scabs, since they're flying furloughed work.