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Thebadcat1313 said:
There is no god. Why can't people undestand that things/accidents just happen due to error? The 4 year old little girl was run over by a car because of the driver not because it's a god's will. The crash in LEX happened because a mistake was made not because of a god's will. Did s god plan to kill all those folks? Ridiculous! It has nothing to do with a god. Belief in a god goes back thousands of years just to explain things that could not be explained at that time but we are smarter now and know better. People just don't want to be responsible whether good or bad.

How many of you god fearing people are really angry at this post at this moment? Just think about it for 2 minutes tomorrow......

All i can say is god bless you and people like me are here to pray for people like you. You still have time to at least try and understand instead of thinking you are smarter than everyone else. What if you are wrong? That sure is the wrong thing to be wrong about if you know what i mean. I used to be skeptical myself, ever since i put my life into christ and the church my life has totally changed. Good luck
 
Thebadcat1313 said:
There is no god. Why can't people undestand that things/accidents just happen due to error? The 4 year old little girl was run over by a car because of the driver not because it's a god's will. The crash in LEX happened because a mistake was made not because of a god's will. Did s god plan to kill all those folks? Ridiculous! It has nothing to do with a god. Belief in a god goes back thousands of years just to explain things that could not be explained at that time but we are smarter now and know better. People just don't want to be responsible whether good or bad.

How many of you god fearing people are really angry at this post at this moment? Just think about it for 2 minutes tomorrow......

Finally some words of common sense!! Good or bad $h!t happens..we all deal with the results.
 
The_Russian said:
What about circadian rhythms of the human body? His body WAS off its sleep cycle. That can make a big difference in performance! Airlines and the FAA are not properly educated on the effects of sleep cycles vs rest requirements. Nor does the regulatory rest period compensate for a sleep cycle change. Jim may have been a victim of this.

Rest rules do not need to be linear, as they are now. They must be made flexable to accommodate sleep patterns.
We are all tired some times, recognize it and adjust for it. We dont need more regulations for this, we have enough.
 
The_Russian said:
What about circadian rhythms of the human body? His body WAS off its sleep cycle. That can make a big difference in performance! Airlines and the FAA are not properly educated on the effects of sleep cycles vs rest requirements. Nor does the regulatory rest period compensate for a sleep cycle change. Jim may have been a victim of this.

Rest rules do not need to be linear, as they are now. They must be made flexable to accommodate sleep patterns.

If this accident had happened at the end of a 12 hour duty day with 6 hours of flying and their "circadian rhythms" had been interupted the day before I *might* be buying the fatigue issue.

To claim that these guys couldn't hold it together enough for the 3 hours needed to get from the hotel to the end of the runway because their "circadian rhythms" were out of whack is just unbelievable.

Everybody with an axe to grind has tried to hang their pet "problem" on this accident, mostly because we don't have that many accidents for them to drool over. The cause of this one is pretty simple and pretty clear, NTSB investigation complete or not. Pilots are paid to use the correct runway, these did not.
 
The_Russian said:
What about circadian rhythms of the human body? His body WAS off its sleep cycle. That can make a big difference in performance! Airlines and the FAA are not properly educated on the effects of sleep cycles vs rest requirements. Nor does the regulatory rest period compensate for a sleep cycle change. Jim may have been a victim of this.

Rest rules do not need to be linear, as they are now. They must be made flexable to accommodate sleep patterns.

Gann is rolling in his grave. Drink a cup of coffee and get to work. If you cant then get out.
 
Thebadcat1313 said:
There is no god. Why can't people undestand that things/accidents just happen due to error? The 4 year old little girl was run over by a car because of the driver not because it's a god's will. The crash in LEX happened because a mistake was made not because of a god's will. Did s god plan to kill all those folks? Ridiculous! It has nothing to do with a god. Belief in a god goes back thousands of years just to explain things that could not be explained at that time but we are smarter now and know better. People just don't want to be responsible whether good or bad.

How many of you god fearing people are really angry at this post at this moment? Just think about it for 2 minutes tomorrow......

Bingo. Thank you.
 
I have been reading these Comair threads for a while now and I wonder why everyone is trying to look for an excuse for the pilot's actions...

circadian rhythm...

only one controller in the tower...

10-9 being outdated...

None of these excuses take away from the fact that they took off from the wrong runway. There are PLENTY of other safeguards and SOPs to protect against this. I'd be willing to bet that those safeguards and SOPs outnumber the excuses people are trying to come up with.

It's a terrible tragedy. My heart goes out to all the passengers and crewmembers. The FO is going to have a insanely difficult physical and emotional road to travel...I can't even imagine.

My point is this...the pilots made a mistake (like we all do, this one happened to cause a terrible tragedy). God's will, the controller, the sleep cycle, or the 10-9 form did not line up that CRJ on runway 26, ignore the missing runway lights, ignore the heading displayed, and attempt to depart.

I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful, but we need to look at this accident for what it is: PILOT error. Grieve and learn.
 
Thebadcat1313 said:
There is no god.

It has nothing to do with a god. Belief in a god goes back thousands of years just to explain things that could not be explained at that time but we are smarter now and know better.

How many of you god fearing people are really angry at this post at this moment? Just think about it for 2 minutes tomorrow......

I pity you and your soul.

Why don't you take 2 minutes tomorrow, and everyday thereafter, to read the Bible.

I would not say it was God's will that the crash happened. I would, however, say that it was God's will that Polehinke survived.
 
kmox29 said:
My point is this...the pilots made a mistake (like we all do, this one happened to cause a terrible tragedy). God's will, the controller, the sleep cycle, or the 10-9 form did not line up that CRJ on runway 26, ignore the missing runway lights, ignore the heading displayed, and attempt to depart.

I'm not trying to be rude or disrespectful, but we need to look at this accident for what it is: PILOT error. Grieve and learn.

That's the right point. If they had lined up on the proper runway that they were cleared to we wouldn't be having this conversation right now.
 
Jetz said:
I pity you and your soul.

Why don't you take 2 minutes tomorrow, and everyday thereafter, to read the Bible.

I would not say it was God's will that the crash happened. I would, however, say that it was God's will that Polehinke survived.

From George Carlin

In the Bullsh$t Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman.
'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullsh$t,
big-time, major league bullsh$t, you have to stand in awe of the all-time
champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No
contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullsh$t story ever told.
Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an
invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute
of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does
not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special
place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he
will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry
forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money!
He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't
handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and
they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullsh$t story.
Holy Sh$t

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when
it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried
to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and
likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried
to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look
around, the more you realize, something is f$cked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth,
poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is
definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am
not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme
Being. This is the kind of sh$t you'd expect from an office temp with a bad
attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy
would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I
say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if
there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever f$ck things up like this. So, if there is a God,
I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent,
and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a sh$t. Doesn't give a sh$t, which I
admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and
aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some
spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a sh$t, I decided to look
around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became
a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But
first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons.
First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could
mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something,
I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I
can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers
in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At
least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply
because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry,
no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a
special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the
best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm
a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me
fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I
wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking
trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging
for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And
most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And
it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know,
your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for
defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to f$ck that hot
little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the
eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And
I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about
the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave
it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And
for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine.
Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want
isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just
for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the
use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can
come along and f$ck up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your
prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will
Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to
anyway, why the f$ck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big
waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to
His Will? It's all very confusing.

So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said,
I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons:
First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he
looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't f$ck around. In
fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having
trouble with.

For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the
barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's
amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.

So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I
noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I
now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half
the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same
as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's
foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your
fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just
pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary
qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want
to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending,
I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it
does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the
grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way.

And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty
Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's
men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is
no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In
fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this
audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All
right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God,
may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little
cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm
okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all
very much. Joe Bless You!
 
Nothing like turning a thread about someones condition into a religious bitching match. You all are pathetic.

Just because he mentioned god, some people have to "set the record straight" about what they believe and how it is correct and how others are wrong.

Please just shutup and hope that Jim finds the comfort and support he needs from somewhere (no matter where it comes from)
 
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foofighter145 said:
From George Carlin

In the Bullsh$t Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman.
'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullsh$t,
big-time, major league bullsh$t, you have to stand in awe of the all-time
champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No
contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullsh$t story ever told.
Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an
invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute
of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does
not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special
place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he
will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry
forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money!
He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't
handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and
they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullsh$t story.
Holy Sh$t

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when
it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried
to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and
likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried
to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look
around, the more you realize, something is f$cked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth,
poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is
definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am
not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme
Being. This is the kind of sh$t you'd expect from an office temp with a bad
attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy
would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I
say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if
there is a God, it has to be a man.

No woman could or would ever f$ck things up like this. So, if there is a God,
I think most reasonable people might agree that he's at least incompetent,
and maybe, just maybe, doesn't give a sh$t. Doesn't give a sh$t, which I
admire in a person, and which would explain a lot of these bad results.

So rather than be just another mindless religious robot, mindlessly and
aimlessly and blindly believing that all of this is in the hands of some
spooky incompetent father figure who doesn't give a sh$t, I decided to look
around for something else to worship. Something I could really count on.

And immediately, I thought of the sun. Happened like that. Overnight I became
a sun-worshipper. Well, not overnight, you can't see the sun at night. But
first thing the next morning, I became a sun-worshipper. Several reasons.
First of all, I can see the sun, okay? Unlike some other gods I could
mention, I can actually see the sun. I'm big on that. If I can see something,
I don't know, it kind of helps the credibility along, you know? So everyday I
can see the sun, as it gives me everything I need; heat, light, food, flowers
in the park, reflections on the lake, an occasional skin cancer, but hey. At
least there are no crucifixions, and we're not setting people on fire simply
because they don't agree with us.

Sun worship is fairly simple. There's no mystery, no miracles, no pageantry,
no one asks for money, there are no songs to learn, and we don't have a
special building where we all gather once a week to compare clothing. And the
best thing about the sun, it never tells me I'm unworthy. Doesn't tell me I'm
a bad person who needs to be saved. Hasn't said an unkind word. Treats me
fine. So, I worship the sun. But, I don't pray to the sun. Know why? I
wouldn't presume on our friendship. It's not polite.

I've often thought people treat God rather rudely, don't you? Asking
trillions and trillions of prayers every day. Asking and pleading and begging
for favors. Do this, gimme that, I need a new car, I want a better job. And
most of this praying takes place on Sunday His day off. It's not nice. And
it's no way to treat a friend.

But people do pray, and they pray for a lot of different things, you know,
your sister needs an operation on her crotch, your brother was arrested for
defecating in a mall. But most of all, you'd really like to f$ck that hot
little redhead down at the convenience store. You know, the one with the
eyepatch and the clubfoot? Can you pray for that? I think you'd have to. And
I say, fine. Pray for anything you want. Pray for anything, but what about
the Divine Plan?

Remember that? The Divine Plan. Long time ago, God made a Divine Plan. Gave
it a lot of thought, decided it was a good plan, put it into practice. And
for billions and billions of years, the Divine Plan has been doing just fine.
Now, you come along, and pray for something. Well suppose the thing you want
isn't in God's Divine Plan? What do you want Him to do? Change His plan? Just
for you? Doesn't it seem a little arrogant? It's a Divine Plan. What's the
use of being God if every run-down shmuck with a two-dollar prayerbook can
come along and f$ck up Your Plan?

And here's something else, another problem you might have: Suppose your
prayers aren't answered. What do you say? "Well, it's God's will." "Thy Will
Be Done." Fine, but if it's God's will, and He's going to do what He wants to
anyway, why the f$ck bother praying in the first place? Seems like a big
waste of time to me! Couldn't you just skip the praying part and go right to
His Will? It's all very confusing.

So to get around a lot of this, I decided to worship the sun. But, as I said,
I don't pray to the sun. You know who I pray to? Joe Pesci. Two reasons:
First of all, I think he's a good actor, okay? To me, that counts. Second, he
looks like a guy who can get things done. Joe Pesci doesn't f$ck around. In
fact, Joe Pesci came through on a couple of things that God was having
trouble with.

For years I asked God to do something about my noisy neighbor with the
barking dog, Joe Pesci straightened that cocksucker out with one visit. It's
amazing what you can accomplish with a simple baseball bat.

So I've been praying to Joe for about a year now. And I noticed something. I
noticed that all the prayers I used to offer to God, and all the prayers I
now offer to Joe Pesci, are being answered at about the same 50% rate. Half
the time I get what I want, half the time I don't. Same as God, 50-50. Same
as the four-leaf clover and the horseshoe, the wishing well and the rabbit's
foot, same as the Mojo Man, same as the Voodoo Lady who tells you your
fortune by squeezing the goat's testicles, it's all the same: 50-50. So just
pick your superstition, sit back, make a wish, and enjoy yourself.

And for those of you who look to The Bible for moral lessons and literary
qualities, I might suggest a couple of other stories for you. You might want
to look at the Three Little Pigs, that's a good one. Has a nice happy ending,
I'm sure you'll like that. Then there's Little Red Riding Hood, although it
does have that X-rated part where the Big Bad Wolf actually eats the
grandmother. Which I didn't care for, by the way.

And finally, I've always drawn a great deal of moral comfort from Humpty
Dumpty. The part I like the best? "All the king's horses and all the king's
men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty back together again." That's because there is
no Humpty Dumpty, and there is no God. None, not one, no God, never was. In
fact, I'm gonna put it this way. If there is a God, may he strike this
audience dead! See? Nothing happened. Nothing happened? Everybody's okay? All
right, tell you what, I'll raise the stakes a little bit. If there is a God,
may he strike me dead. See? Nothing happened, oh, wait, I've got a little
cramp in my leg. And my balls hurt. Plus, I'm blind. I'm blind, oh, now I'm
okay again, must have been Joe Pesci, huh? God Bless Joe Pesci. Thank you all
very much. Joe Bless You!

Jack ass.

pretty funny tho
 
Joe Cespedes has let me down.....

Joe Pesci.....Never!!!

Carlin is by far one of the best modern philosophers in our day, and if people would quit hiding behind thier crosses, and prayer mats...they might actually see the light in something else and quit wasting time for an afterlife to never come...

And no one needs to pray for me......Im fine, football season is starting!!
 
foofighter145 said:
From George Carlin

In the Bullsh$t Department, a businessman can't hold a candle to a clergyman.
'Cause I gotta tell you the truth, folks. When it comes to bullsh$t,
big-time, major league bullsh$t, you have to stand in awe of the all-time
champion of false promises and exaggerated claims, religion. No contest. No
contest. Religion. Religion easily has the greatest bullsh$t story ever told.
Think about it. Religion has actually convinced people that there's an
invisible man living in the sky who watches everything you do, every minute
of every day. And the invisible man has a special list of ten things he does
not want you to do. And if you do any of these ten things, he has a special
place, full of fire and smoke and burning and torture and anguish, where he
will send you to live and suffer and burn and choke and scream and cry
forever and ever 'til the end of time!

But He loves you. He loves you, and He needs money! He always needs money!
He's all-powerful, all-perfect, all-knowing, and all-wise, somehow just can't
handle money! Religion takes in billions of dollars, they pay no taxes, and
they always need a little more. Now, you talk about a good bullsh$t story.
Holy Sh$t

But I want you to know something, this is sincere, I want you to know, when
it comes to believing in God, I really tried. I really, really tried. I tried
to believe that there is a God, who created each of us in His own image and
likeness, loves us very much, and keeps a close eye on things. I really tried
to believe that, but I gotta tell you, the longer you live, the more you look
around, the more you realize, something is f$cked up.

Something is wrong here. War, disease, death, destruction, hunger, filth,
poverty, torture, crime, corruption, and the Ice Capades. Something is
definitely wrong. This is not good work. If this is the best God can do, I am
not impressed. Results like these do not belong on the résumé of a Supreme
Being. This is the kind of sh$t you'd expect from an office temp with a bad
attitude. And just between you and me, in any decently-run universe, this guy
would've been out on his all-powerful ass a long time ago. And by the way, I
say "this guy", because I firmly believe, looking at these results, that if
there is a God, it has to be a man.............

Can I get an Amen?
 
Aerosurfer said:
Joe Cespedes has let me down.....

How? He did and does everything you expect him to do. Unless he let you down by actually approving a PDO.
 

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