Comair exit poll

[Old Crow]

I would hate to be a Comair pilot if this passes. Why did you guys go on strike? That was a waste.
If you guys will take a 2 1/2 year freeze, I'll guarantee that you get a big tall glass of coolaid to drink in your new airplanes.

Good grief...

 

[wahoo250]

This is kind of disgusting if im understanding this right. Management went from asking for pay cuts to prevent losses, to asking for pay cuts for expansion. If that was my boss, I would want about all of 15 minutes in a side street to tell him or her what I thought of that. Thats not the way to run a business people. People have to start worrying about themselves and their position right now instead of 4 years from now. there is no guarantee there will be a year to live four years from now.

 

[Caveman]

av8tor4239,

Care to tell us who you work for?

 

[twobits]

at least they will have new airplanes to drink cool aid in and on their flights to the carribean and South America from Cincinnati and Orlando in the new EMB 170 they might even get food that is left over from the first class section. Thats worth something..... so is another base in the Southeast and the other stuff mgt is throwing in.

 

[jetflyer]

av8tor4239,

Caveman seems to be a pretty intelligent and nice guy and can say what he wants.

AND HERE IS HOW I REALLY FEEL
BOTTOM LINE IS COMAIR PILOTS ARE STILL THE BEST PAID OF ANY REGIONAL AIRLINE!!!!

SO YOU CAN CHILL!!!

BECAUSE OF THIS LOA, YOU and every other REGIONAL AIRLINE PILOT GROUP are not negotiating in the future for CHQ+1%!!!!

You're still NEGOTIATING FOR COMAIR + 1%!!

If that's not good enough for ya, then NEGOTIATE FOR COMAIR + 5%!!
THAT WILL SHOW US YOU HAVE BALLS like the COMAIR PILOTS THAT STRUCK FOR 89 DAYS DEFINITELY HAVE.

It's amazing how Comair pilots are now the bad guys. RIDICULOUS!!

Comair pilots are doing what they think is best for themselves. GOD FORBID.

You and others may not like the result, but SINCE COMAIR PILOTS ARE STILL THE BEST PAID, YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO BITTTCH!

Jet

 

[wahoo250]

I'm just bitching about the industry and its direction. I've been poor too long. However I must say a freeze is a lot better than a reduction. I still don't agree on a pay freeze for growth though. Let your neighbor buy the airplane, this way you can buy a new car. Quick question though...is there anything written in the contract on a salary freeze for management as well?

 

[av8tor4239]

caveman.. I made it very clear I WORK FOR ASA...

You walked the the line PRE 9/11, totaly different market.. united pilots were making 400,000 dollars a year...NOW we are holding on for dear life

But more importantly not only are you supporting the separation of our two MEC's the strongest alliance in the "regional" industry but you are are undercutting and VOIDING everything that you so clearly put " ON THE LINE"... I can pull up a thousand threads that you have posted on these boards about how mad you are that Chitaco and Mesa etc. have sold their souls for growth... and now you Sell your SOUl for growth...

Your vote is in.... it is too late to take it back.. I hope that the Road show, or whatever sold you on this bs made you feel good..

JUST REMEMBER your managment team thanks you and they will rape your comapany and move on, while you continue fly your new jet for CRAP rates.. You are the ultimate HYPOCRITE!

 

[av8tor4239]

Oh and dont give me any BS about paying your dues for 89 days because I paid my dues through a furlough and seveal years of BS... I can garuntee you that MY VOTE for anything less than TOP INDUSTRY PAY and WORK RULES is HELL NO.....

The funny thing is that it is not about me.. it is about the profession and keeping us from becoming AMTRACK conductors or Greayhound Bus drivers... You and everyone else that votes yes to this Crap have brough us all one step closer to the bottom, and one step closer to Amtrack and Grayhound....

 

[jetflyer]

I can garuntee you that MY VOTE for anything less than TOP INDUSTRY PAY and WORK RULES is HELL NO.....

WELL I CAN GUARANTEE you can't SPELL GARUNTEE

 

[Oakum_Boy]

av8tor4239,

Caveman seems to be a pretty intelligent and nice guy and can say what he wants.

AND HERE IS HOW I REALLY FEEL
BOTTOM LINE IS COMAIR PILOTS ARE STILL THE BEST PAID OF ANY REGIONAL AIRLINE!!!!

SO YOU CAN CHILL!!!

BECAUSE OF THIS LOA, YOU and every other REGIONAL AIRLINE PILOT GROUP are not negotiating in the future for CHQ+1%!!!!

You're still NEGOTIATING FOR COMAIR + 1%!!

If that's not good enough for ya, then NEGOTIATE FOR COMAIR + 5%!!
THAT WILL SHOW US YOU HAVE BALLS like the COMAIR PILOTS THAT STRUCK FOR 89 DAYS DEFINITELY HAVE.

It's amazing how Comair pilots are now the bad guys. RIDICULOUS!!

Comair pilots are doing what they think is best for themselves. GOD FORBID.

You and others may not like the result, but SINCE COMAIR PILOTS ARE STILL THE BEST PAID, YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO BITTTCH!

Kiddie Kaptain

Can you think of the 1700 some-odd ASA pilots who will have to give up that much more because you want to floss your new pimp E-170. Nice. Guys, you are paid to fly airplanes, not finance givebacks to make your CEO look good. Get f-in REAL.

 

[av8tor4239]

Jetflyer.. if all you have to respond to what i have written is a spelling critique, you have proven your self a joke..

And from your post you have supported the yes vote:

from jetflyer:
"AND HERE IS HOW I REALLY FEEL
BOTTOM LINE IS COMAIR PILOTS ARE STILL THE BEST PAID OF ANY REGIONAL AIRLINE!!!!

SO YOU CAN CHILL!!!

BECAUSE OF THIS LOA, YOU and every other REGIONAL AIRLINE PILOT GROUP are not negotiating in the future for CHQ+1%!!!!

You're still NEGOTIATING FOR COMAIR + 1%!!

If that's not good enough for ya, then NEGOTIATE FOR COMAIR + 5%!!
THAT WILL SHOW US YOU HAVE BALLS like the COMAIR PILOTS THAT STRUCK FOR 89 DAYS DEFINITELY HAVE."

Your support of DCI's plan to make your entire pilot group pay for the airplanes you will fly in the future baffles me.... Think of the big picture and those that will come after you are flying west...

PILOTS DONT BY AIRPLANES... IT IS NOT YOUR JOB

 

[jarhead]

You walked the the line PRE 9/11, totaly different market.. united pilots were making 400,000 dollars a year...NOW we are holding on for dear life

And I can "garintee you" that United pilots were not making $400,000 a year. Where do you dream this stuff up?

 

[jetflyer]

I guess I just don't feel like arguing anymore.

ESPECIALLY with uneducated people who blame their bad lives ON OTHERS.

NOW YOU'VE WRONGFULLY ADDED COMAIR PILOTS TO YOUR BAD LIFE BLAME LIST.

I just don't think COMAIR PILOTS belong on that list. They've done their share to help this industry. In 4 years, HOW MUCH has the industry improved above what Comair pilots made of it?? NONE!

Should Comair pilots suffer because others were afraid to GRAB THE TORCH AND RUN WITH IT??

MAYBE ASA pilots are not AFRAID to grab the torch and run, but you have your "GARUNTEED"<--(I like that word now) growth for the future.

I wish ASA pilots, and even you, the best in your negotiations. I apologize if your Comair+1% isn't going to be what it once was. There's nothing saying you can't get Comair+5%!!!

Good luck to you guys,

Jet

 

[BluDevAv8r]

If you work for Mesa, CHQ, XJET, AWAC, SkyWest or anybody else that's signed or ammended a contract in the last four years you have no right to tell CMR pilots what they ought to do.

Caveman,

Last 4 years or not, nobody (for any airline) has a right to tell any other airline's pilots what they ought to do. Each airline has a different situation and bargaining position.

Did any of you put it all on the line and try and get CMR plus 1%. Nobody walked. Nobody 'raised the bar'. Nobody got close. CHQ and XJET improved but they still didn't get it done. Now y'all are gonna sit there and scream at me and tell me that I have to uphold the profession. Unreal........

From this post, clearly you are not aware of how the bargaining environment has changed since CMR negotiated its contract prior to 9/11. The NMB's structure and political views as well as mandate for its operations changed significantly (and not in favor of organized labor). You were afforded an opportunity to exercise the ultimate piece of leverage. We at XJT were not able to utilize that leverage (and were not going to be able to for the foreseeable future).

Aside from hard pay rates and per diem, our new contract (as well as parts of our old one) is significantly better than your current agreement in several major areas such as sick leave accrual, retirement match, reserve rules, scope/job security language, trip trading, more days off, profit sharing, and especially our vacation system. We also received full retroactivity for 25 months worth of earnings at Comair pay rates, which equated to lump sum retro checks ranging from $13,000 to $25,000 for most of our pilots (not including the 401k match that the company made on those retro checks).

With that said, it isn't a competition and you won't hear anything from me or our MEC about "upholding the profession" or anything of the sort. You guys do what is best for your pilot group. The majority will speak on that issue. Time will tell as to its outcome. Good luck over there.

-Neal

 

[Bizjet]

But I think we can all agree that if the freeze passes and then down the road ASA signs a Comair minus (including the value of the freeze) contract and then says "yeah but had you not agreed to the freeze we would have topped not only your frozen contract, but the original one too!" will be pure BS.

So which is it?

DUH, You guys forget that your contract was negotiated pre 9/11. If you take these pay freezes you will be passed by ExpressJet in several categories. They did their contract in two years post 9/11 and didn't lose approximately $5.00 per hour over the life of contract due to lost income from an 89 day strike. This does not include the 7% profit sharing they have been receiving which puts them even further ahead of Comair. I wonder how many "Fred Votes" will come from Comair pilots who were not even at Comair for the strike. Greed is a very corrupting weakness especially when it is your fellow "striking pilots" money you are pilfering.

The ASA pilots have a right to be angry. Comair got weak and broke from the coalition that had been formed between the two airlines MEC's for many years. Comair's actions seem suspect to more than just ASA pilots. It appears that your desire for growth is more important than the bonds of "brotherhood". However, you can only lose your integrity one time. I am sure you can explain it away with the trite statement that "Comair pilots are tired of carrying all the load because no one else is raising the bar like the Comair Pilots did"! For those who just want movement at all cost and that attitude carries the vote--you will find very few who will admit voting for the concessions when that 4.5% raise is gone. And as time goes on and you realize that it will be more missed raises, soon no one will remember that "YES" vote. By the time you are trying to get this lost money back during your next negotiations your claim to be the industry leader will be long forgotten. Management will know that they can have their way with your group by just throwing a little money at you. Management will only laugh behind your backs when you engage in saber rattling.

Comair's actions would be less onerous if you just admitted that you are now bed mates with Freddy Buttrell. You must know that he will be demanding more freebies from the give back boys of Comair. Maybe you can get autographed pictures of Fred and place them on the yoke covers on both sides of the cockpit. And you thought it was lonely at the top.