Comair exit poll

[Bluto]

Comair pilots did the right thing by striking and demanding a vastly improved contract. However, no contract is negotiated in a vacuum. I think it would be really, really great if the majority of Comair pilots on this board would quit taking full credit for their gains (even the ones who weren't there during the strike!), without acknowledging how lucky they were, while blaming every other airline out there for "lowering the bar". Please try to understand that, as superior a pilot group as you are , luck and timing along with a unified pilot group had a great deal to do with your results. A little humility and a lot less finger-pointing would be really nice. Accepting responsibility for your own actions instead of blaming everyone else would be a really mature thing to do. But I won't hold my breath.

 

[av8tor4239]

Caveman.. I know you work for Comair... HOW DID YOU VOTE..?

 

[Caveman]

If you work for Mesa, CHQ, XJET, AWAC, SkyWest or anybody else that's signed or ammended a contract in the last four years you have no right to tell CMR pilots what they ought to do. Did any of you put it all on the line and try and get CMR plus 1%. Nobody walked. Nobody 'raised the bar'. Nobody got close. CHQ and XJET improved but they still didn't get it done. Now y'all are gonna sit there and scream at me and tell me that I have to uphold the profession. Unreal........

 

[Caveman]

I voted YES

 

[wahoo250]

I was not shooting the bullet at any one person or pilot group. I've heard a lot of sacrificing for the good of the company going on. What needs to start happening is that the money needs to start coming from the consumers pocket. Unless I'm getting off and enjoying 5 days next to a pool in the tropics, I F*ing am not paying for fuel. Thats just my feeling behind it.

 

[Sinca3]

From the ASA MEC.....
This is your ASA MEC VARS update for 22 Feb, 2005

Item 1 - The skinny on Cinci
There's a new posting on our MEC website that outlines the terms and conditions of a Letter of Agreement Comair pilots will be asked to vote on.

Our MEC has reviewed the proposed LOA, which has been forwarded to the Comair pilots with their MEC's recommendation for ratification. This concessionary LOA was drafted by the Company and the CMR MEC Negotiating Committee. The Comair pilots will have the final vote FOR or AGAINST this LOA.

The ASA MEC does not support this proposed concessionary LOA and believes that this is an attempt by our respective managements to encourage our pilot groups to compete with one another for aircraft by sacrificing the terms of our contracts. The long term negative affects of these concessions are damaging and far outweigh any short-term benefits.

Look closely at the terms and keep in mind that:


Comair’s aircraft leases start to expire in 2008.


There is no fleet guarantee past 2008 in this LOA, the company can retire aircraft at will after 2008. It is unlikely Delta would reduce the Comair fleet anytime before 2008 regardless of this LOA.


The E170 has not been guaranteed.


Just like in the 2003 RFP, we believe these aircraft have already been tentatively placed by Delta for placement with one of the DCI carriers based on the best economical benefit to Delta's economic viability.


Pilots will lose a 4.5% raise on 6/22/05, a yearly 3.1% longevity raise for 2005 and a 3.1% longevity raise in 2006.


Pilots capture back only a 2% raise IF they do not have a new agreement signed by Jan 2008.


Based on negotiating history, a new contract takes about 3 years to amend; so, the Comair pilots will not have pay adjustments to these concessionary terms until about 2010. Based on the example in the LOA they will have to negotiate back about $6-$9/hr to gain back what was given back in this LOA compared to the original unchanged contract.


The above bullet equates to a loss of income per pilot over a 5 year period for a current 2nd year FO of about $23,000.00, a current 5th year CA of about $41,000.00, and a current 10th year CA of about $55,000.00.


The Comair MEC and Negotiating Committee will be conducting road-shows this week to try and explain to the pilots that this is an agreement in the best interest of the pilots' future; a concession for jobs. What do you think?

 

[jetflyer]

Is that combative or what? If ASA's MEC doesn't get Comair+1% with that crrapppy attitude, there's gonna be a LOT of crow to eat.

THE COMAIR PILOTS that STRUCK FOR 89 DAYS ARE THE ONLY REASON ASA PILOTS HAVE EVEN CLOSE OF A CHANCE TO GET THE PAY THAT THEY WANT. DON'T GET MAD AT THE COMAIR PILOTS!

Get mad at the undercutters of the industry!!!

Comair pilots ARE NOT UNDERCUTTING ANYONE!!!

Jet

 

[moscowcfi]

exit poll madness

Strangely enough, about 30% of Florida commuters ended up voting for Buchanan. I didn't think that was one of the choices!

 

[av8tor4239]

Caveman... YOU MAKE ME SICK>. How could you vote yes.. and in the same paragraph preach that you are HOLYER THAN THOU that you walked the line.. TO ME and everyone else you have VOIDED everything that you walked for.. FRED and all the other CRONIES in Management are LAUGHING at you right now... they are poping the tops on thier champaign as they COUNT your DISGUSTING YES VOTE...

WELCOME TO THE TOILET BOWL SPIN TO THE BOTTOM

PS.. i dont ever want to hear you talk S%!t about the Chitaco or Mesa guys again. You have no right...

 

[av8tor4239]

Oh Yeah...

buying Airplanes Is Not Your Freaking Job.....

 

[Old Crow]

I would hate to be a Comair pilot if this passes. Why did you guys go on strike? That was a waste.
If you guys will take a 2 1/2 year freeze, I'll guarantee that you get a big tall glass of coolaid to drink in your new airplanes.

Good grief...

 

[wahoo250]

This is kind of disgusting if im understanding this right. Management went from asking for pay cuts to prevent losses, to asking for pay cuts for expansion. If that was my boss, I would want about all of 15 minutes in a side street to tell him or her what I thought of that. Thats not the way to run a business people. People have to start worrying about themselves and their position right now instead of 4 years from now. there is no guarantee there will be a year to live four years from now.

 

[Caveman]

av8tor4239,

Care to tell us who you work for?

 

[twobits]

at least they will have new airplanes to drink cool aid in and on their flights to the carribean and South America from Cincinnati and Orlando in the new EMB 170 they might even get food that is left over from the first class section. Thats worth something..... so is another base in the Southeast and the other stuff mgt is throwing in.

 

[jetflyer]

av8tor4239,

Caveman seems to be a pretty intelligent and nice guy and can say what he wants.

AND HERE IS HOW I REALLY FEEL
BOTTOM LINE IS COMAIR PILOTS ARE STILL THE BEST PAID OF ANY REGIONAL AIRLINE!!!!

SO YOU CAN CHILL!!!

BECAUSE OF THIS LOA, YOU and every other REGIONAL AIRLINE PILOT GROUP are not negotiating in the future for CHQ+1%!!!!

You're still NEGOTIATING FOR COMAIR + 1%!!

If that's not good enough for ya, then NEGOTIATE FOR COMAIR + 5%!!
THAT WILL SHOW US YOU HAVE BALLS like the COMAIR PILOTS THAT STRUCK FOR 89 DAYS DEFINITELY HAVE.

It's amazing how Comair pilots are now the bad guys. RIDICULOUS!!

Comair pilots are doing what they think is best for themselves. GOD FORBID.

You and others may not like the result, but SINCE COMAIR PILOTS ARE STILL THE BEST PAID, YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO BITTTCH!

Jet

 

[wahoo250]

I'm just bitching about the industry and its direction. I've been poor too long. However I must say a freeze is a lot better than a reduction. I still don't agree on a pay freeze for growth though. Let your neighbor buy the airplane, this way you can buy a new car. Quick question though...is there anything written in the contract on a salary freeze for management as well?

 

[av8tor4239]

caveman.. I made it very clear I WORK FOR ASA...

You walked the the line PRE 9/11, totaly different market.. united pilots were making 400,000 dollars a year...NOW we are holding on for dear life

But more importantly not only are you supporting the separation of our two MEC's the strongest alliance in the "regional" industry but you are are undercutting and VOIDING everything that you so clearly put " ON THE LINE"... I can pull up a thousand threads that you have posted on these boards about how mad you are that Chitaco and Mesa etc. have sold their souls for growth... and now you Sell your SOUl for growth...

Your vote is in.... it is too late to take it back.. I hope that the Road show, or whatever sold you on this bs made you feel good..

JUST REMEMBER your managment team thanks you and they will rape your comapany and move on, while you continue fly your new jet for CRAP rates.. You are the ultimate HYPOCRITE!

 

[av8tor4239]

Oh and dont give me any BS about paying your dues for 89 days because I paid my dues through a furlough and seveal years of BS... I can garuntee you that MY VOTE for anything less than TOP INDUSTRY PAY and WORK RULES is HELL NO.....

The funny thing is that it is not about me.. it is about the profession and keeping us from becoming AMTRACK conductors or Greayhound Bus drivers... You and everyone else that votes yes to this Crap have brough us all one step closer to the bottom, and one step closer to Amtrack and Grayhound....

 

[jetflyer]

I can garuntee you that MY VOTE for anything less than TOP INDUSTRY PAY and WORK RULES is HELL NO.....

WELL I CAN GUARANTEE you can't SPELL GARUNTEE

 

[Oakum_Boy]

av8tor4239,

Caveman seems to be a pretty intelligent and nice guy and can say what he wants.

AND HERE IS HOW I REALLY FEEL
BOTTOM LINE IS COMAIR PILOTS ARE STILL THE BEST PAID OF ANY REGIONAL AIRLINE!!!!

SO YOU CAN CHILL!!!

BECAUSE OF THIS LOA, YOU and every other REGIONAL AIRLINE PILOT GROUP are not negotiating in the future for CHQ+1%!!!!

You're still NEGOTIATING FOR COMAIR + 1%!!

If that's not good enough for ya, then NEGOTIATE FOR COMAIR + 5%!!
THAT WILL SHOW US YOU HAVE BALLS like the COMAIR PILOTS THAT STRUCK FOR 89 DAYS DEFINITELY HAVE.

It's amazing how Comair pilots are now the bad guys. RIDICULOUS!!

Comair pilots are doing what they think is best for themselves. GOD FORBID.

You and others may not like the result, but SINCE COMAIR PILOTS ARE STILL THE BEST PAID, YOU DO NOT HAVE A RIGHT TO BITTTCH!

Kiddie Kaptain

Can you think of the 1700 some-odd ASA pilots who will have to give up that much more because you want to floss your new pimp E-170. Nice. Guys, you are paid to fly airplanes, not finance givebacks to make your CEO look good. Get f-in REAL.